Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance

Messi or Ronaldo

  • Messi

  • Ronaldo

Results are only viewable after voting.
Status
Not open for further replies.
Bebestation said:
Messi is going to win the Balon D'or just for his performances at Barcelona last year.

Few months later he has apparently gotten too old to play in ligue 1 for PSG :D

Wasn't old enough for Barcelona but got Old enough for PSG.

Just an excuse - ultimately people could see that Messi couldn't do it to the same standard as he did it for Barcelona.

If Messi performed like his Argentina National team level for another club he would still be one of the best players ever - but he wouldn't be talked about as this undisputed GOAT.

The reason he is called the GOAT is because of how he performed for Barcelona and only Barcelona and only the La Liga and watching how Barcelona played and had 70%possesion in matches for Pep, Enrique, Valdervde and Koeman shows that the game is built to a certain way at that club and it was a type of football that always benefits Messi.

Look at Xavi - Both his first la liga & first CL game had 66% possesion football:eek:

That's insane, no matter the manager Barcelona played a style of football that is always there. Messi was the cherry on top of the cake - but the basics of the cake is always there at Barcelona.

It's why we wanted to see Messi at another club to see if he could do it away from these 70% possesion matches. The one time he did move to PSG he is looking like a shadow of his former self.

The other proof is -

Has anyone noticed how people talk about how deadly C Ronaldo would be if he played for Manchester City?

Because ultimately Ronaldo for a Pep team with such chances created and possesion would just be the cherry on top of the cake rather than the player needed to build City's/Pep's possesion team.

Ronaldo has done it to a next level from Ole's tactics, to Pirlo's, to Ancelotti's to Zidanes, to Benitez's to Querioz's to some other assistant manager to Mourinho to SAF to the top 3 leagues in the world - playing in the toughest league at the age of 37 that has managers like Pep, Klopp, Tuchel and Conte just to name the quality of the league.

Anyway, no one is going to change their mind.
Click to expand...

He looked past it in the first half of the 2020-2021 season as well and picked up his form in the 2021 half. Lets see what happens. But yeah no matter what no one can convince that prime Messi couldn't do it in the premiere league.
 
genardk said:
I see many United fans in this forum as well as football pundits thinking that United regressed with him just like when he was at Juve, I guess they are all butthurt as well. See where United finished last season and where they are now with him. United lost 6 games in the entire season last year and they already have 5 losses in 12 games this season with him with Bruno, Greenwood etc. all underperforming not to mention the concerning fact that even the lowest ranked teams in PL are able to dominate United this year unlike last year..

Him scoring against inferior La Liga 13th Villareal, Swiss giants Young Boys, and Atalanta with 5 main players missing seems to have clouded your judgment. It was the same story at Juve..Not a single coach lasted more than a year with him in the team, not even Allegri or Sarri..

A loss to Chelsea this weekend as expected, there will be many questioning his contribution in this forum as usual.. A win against Young Boys with him scoring, then people will start calling him the GOAT, that's been the norm so far..
Click to expand...

Here's your debate ffs, keep this utter bollocks out of Messi's thread @genardk

Also, remind me where Juve are this season? And already just two losses away from your total losses last season and projecting at a 61 point season? hmmmmm........
 
Bebestation said:
Messi is going to win the Balon D'or just for his performances at Barcelona last year.

Few months later he has apparently gotten too old to play in ligue 1 for PSG :D

Wasn't old enough for Barcelona but got Old enough for PSG.

Just an excuse - ultimately people could see that Messi couldn't do it to the same standard as he did it for Barcelona.

If Messi performed like his Argentina National team level for another club he would still be one of the best players ever - but he wouldn't be talked about as this undisputed GOAT.

The reason he is called the GOAT is because of how he performed for Barcelona and only Barcelona and only the La Liga and watching how Barcelona played and had 70%possesion in matches for Pep, Enrique, Valdervde and Koeman shows that the game is built to a certain way at that club and it was a type of football that always benefits Messi.

Look at Xavi - Both his first la liga & first CL game had 66% possesion football:eek:

That's insane, no matter the manager Barcelona played a style of football that is always there. Messi was the cherry on top of the cake - but the basics of the cake is always there at Barcelona.

It's why we wanted to see Messi at another club to see if he could do it away from these 70% possesion matches. The one time he did move to PSG he is looking like a shadow of his former self.

The other proof is -

Has anyone noticed how people talk about how deadly C Ronaldo would be if he played for Manchester City?

Because ultimately Ronaldo for a Pep team with such chances created and possesion would just be the cherry on top of the cake rather than the player needed to build City's/Pep's possesion team.

Ronaldo has done it to a next level from Ole's tactics, to Pirlo's, to Ancelotti's to Zidanes, to Benitez's to Querioz's to some other assistant manager to Mourinho to SAF to the top 3 leagues in the world - playing in the toughest league at the age of 37 that has managers like Pep, Klopp, Tuchel and Conte just to name the quality of the league.

Anyway, no one is going to change their mind.
Click to expand...

This post makes no sense whatsoever. Barca over the last 5 or so years have had 60-65% ball possession on average, not 70. PSG currently have 62% ball possession in Ligue Un.

He’s started slowly but let’s see where he is at the end of the season before we start making knee jerk claims.

Edit: There’s also the little matter of a World Cup in less than a year. Shout out to Jurgen K for that one……
 
Last edited:
cyberman said:
Utter nonsense
Cristiano Ronaldo holds the record for most goals scored in final matches of the UEFA Champions League, with a total of four final goals throughout his career for Manchester United and Real Madrid.

seems if Messi could drag his teams to more CL finals instead of disappearing in quarters and semis then more teammates could score in finals as well.
Just the 20 goals and 2 assists in 29 club finals. No biggie for Ronaldo.
Click to expand...

Messi and Ronaldo both stood out in two CL finals, for Messi it was 2009 and 2011, for Ronaldo it was 2008 and 2017. In 2014 he scored a penalty in the 120th minute when Real Madrid were already 3-1 up after a pretty anonymous display. 2016 and 2018 he was fairly anonymous. And Messi’s 2015 final was a better performance than Ronaldo’s 2014, 2016 or 2018 finals.

In CL semi-finals, Ronaldo was top class in 3 semi against Arsenal in 2008-09, Bayern in 2013-14 and against Atletico in 2016-17. He also had a few he was fairly anonymous in. Messi was also top class in 3, Real Madrid 10-11, Bayern 14-15 and Liverpool 18-19 in my opinion, despite their loss.
 
International goals
Messi 80 goals in 158 caps - 0.506. 163 mins per goal
Ronaldo 115 goals in 184 caps - 0.625. 127 mins per goal

Goals + Assists.

Messi 80G + 47 Assists - 103 mins per goal contribution

Ronaldo 115 + 31 assists- 100 mins per goal contribution

Competitive Internationals only

Messi - 111 apps, 32 Assists, 46 goals
  • 204 mins per goal
  • 120 mins per goal contribution
Ronaldo
132 apps - 95 Goals, 22 Assists,
  • 120 mins per goal
  • 97 mins per goal contribution
 
Bebestation said:
Messi is going to win the Balon D'or just for his performances at Barcelona last year.

Few months later he has apparently gotten too old to play in ligue 1 for PSG :D

Wasn't old enough for Barcelona but got Old enough for PSG.

Just an excuse - ultimately people could see that Messi couldn't do it to the same standard as he did it for Barcelona.

If Messi performed like his Argentina National team level for another club he would still be one of the best players ever - but he wouldn't be talked about as this undisputed GOAT.

The reason he is called the GOAT is because of how he performed for Barcelona and only Barcelona and only the La Liga and watching how Barcelona played and had 70%possesion in matches for Pep, Enrique, Valdervde and Koeman shows that the game is built to a certain way at that club and it was a type of football that always benefits Messi.

Look at Xavi - Both his first la liga & first CL game had 66% possesion football:eek:

That's insane, no matter the manager Barcelona played a style of football that is always there. Messi was the cherry on top of the cake - but the basics of the cake is always there at Barcelona.

It's why we wanted to see Messi at another club to see if he could do it away from these 70% possesion matches. The one time he did move to PSG he is looking like a shadow of his former self.

The other proof is -

Has anyone noticed how people talk about how deadly C Ronaldo would be if he played for Manchester City?

Because ultimately Ronaldo for a Pep team with such chances created and possesion would just be the cherry on top of the cake rather than the player needed to build City's/Pep's possesion team.

Ronaldo has done it to a next level from Ole's tactics, to Pirlo's, to Ancelotti's to Zidanes, to Benitez's to Querioz's to some other assistant manager to Mourinho to SAF to the top 3 leagues in the world - playing in the toughest league at the age of 37 that has managers like Pep, Klopp, Tuchel and Conte just to name the quality of the league.

Anyway, no one is going to change their mind.
Click to expand...

These arguments do not make any sense as compares a world-class poacher with a player that is one of the greatest playmakers, goalscorer, dribblers of all time just by looking at goal numbers. Ronaldo is a striker, and that's it. He's pretty limited vs Messi other than goal scoring. Fortunately, most football world understands football well enough and watches football enough to know that Messi is a clearly better player, even some of Ronaldo's teammates, the biggest exception by far is the Portuguese & United fans which is understandable. Benzema, Lewa, Salah can all be deadly at City in a striker role (nothing special) as you will be served very well at City without any doubt as a striker.. Messi is not in a striker role, his main focus has always been on running the game and serving the team rather than being served unlike Ronaldo. He always seemed to me to be a player that loves playmaking, creating more than goal scoring. Just because Messi is scoring as many goals as other strikers, people for some reason assume that Messi is also a striker camping around the penalty box.. You put Ronaldo in a striker position and provide him service, he will score tons of goals like Lewa, Benzema etc. But creating positions, running the game, dribbling past the players, scoring goals outside the penalty box, nope, that's not his style. Most goals he scored would be inside the penalty box area where he is the main focus of the attack at the expense of other attackers, very rarely scores outside the box, 30% of all his goals at Juve were penalties. His free-kick success rate at Juve was 1 in 72 attempts, the worst free-kick taker ever at Juve. It is funny all comparisons between Ronaldo and Messi by Ronaldo fans revolve around goal numbers as there is not much to compare on other sides of the game.

Messi won Copa MVP awards twice, World Cup MVP, Olympics MVP outside Barca whereas Ronaldo has nothing compared to that, could not even avoid the disaster against Serbia with a superior Portugal team.. There goes your he could only do it at Barca argument..

Messi also won Ballon D'or or is a top Ballon D'or candidate under mediocre coaches like Koemann and Valverde. You are talking like playing under great coaches is a disadvantage which is weird. If anything, Messi proved that he could flourish even under terrible coaches with poor tactics..
 
Last edited:
There is always recency bias in these threads. Like both of them don't have an amazing career behind them. Ronaldo has had a better 2021-2022 season no doubt, but because Messi had a very poor last game doesn't mean he's finished and it doesn't really matter in terms of legacy. Ronaldo's body means that he'll poach goals for a long time. Messi does not have the kind of the body that go on for as long, but I still expect him to find his form at PSG this year. At 35 and 36 I expect him to be finished though.
 
genardk said:
The same arguments that do not make any sense as usual which compares a poacher with a player that is one of the greatest playmakers, goalscorer, dribblers of all time. Ronaldo is a striker, and that's it. He's pretty limited vs Messi other than goal scoring. Fortunately, most football world understands football well enough and watches football enough to know that Messi is a clearly better player, even some of Ronaldo's teammates, the biggest exception by far is the Portuguese & United fans which is understandable. Benzema, Lewa, Salah can all be deadly at City in a striker role (nothing special) as you will be served very well at City without any doubt as a striker.. Messi is not in a striker role, his main focus has always been on running the game and serving the team rather than being served unlike Ronaldo. He always seemed to me to be a player that loves playmaking, creating more than goal scoring. Just because Messi is scoring as many goals as other strikers, people for some reason assume that Messi is also a striker camping around the penalty box.. You put Ronaldo in a striker position and provide him service, he will score tons of goals like Lewa, Benzema etc. But creating positions, running the game, dribbling past the players, scoring goals outside the penalty box, nope, that's not his style. Most goals he scored would be inside the penalty box area where he is the main focus of the attack at the expense of other attackers, very rarely scores outside the box, 30% of all his goals at Juve were penalties. His free-kick success rate at Juve was 1 in 72 attempts, the worst free-kick taker ever at Juve. It is funny all comparisons between Ronaldo and Messi by Ronaldo fans revolve around goal numbers as there is not much to compare on other sides of the game.

Messi won Copa MVP awards twice, World Cup MVP, Olympics MVP outside Barca whereas Ronaldo has nothing compared to that, could not even avoid the disaster against Serbia with a superior Portugal team.. There goes your he could only do it at Barca argument..

Messi also won Ballon D'or or is a top Ballon D'or candidate under mediocre coaches like Koemann and Valverde. You are talking like playing under great coaches is a disadvantage which is weird. If anything, Messi proved that he could flourish even under terrible coaches with poor tactics..
Click to expand...
Ronaldo has the most assists in CL history.
Just putting that out there. Also Messi has scored 20 more goals than Ronaldo from outside the box, over a near 20 year career then it’s not as big of a gotcha as you think.
 
cyberman said:
Ronaldo has the most assists in CL history.
Just putting that out there. Also Messi has scored 20 more goals than Ronaldo from outside the box, over a near 20 year career then it’s not as big of a gotcha as you think.
Click to expand...

I think Ronaldo has played like 140 more games, but it's not really a gotcha other than Messi drops deeper more often to participate in the build up whilst Ronaldo is waiting for the final pass. But both of them have more often than not got great service from their club sides.
 
cyberman said:
Utter nonsense
Cristiano Ronaldo holds the record for most goals scored in final matches of the UEFA Champions League, with a total of four final goals throughout his career for Manchester United and Real Madrid.

seems if Messi could drag his teams to more CL finals instead of disappearing in quarters and semis then more teammates could score in finals as well.
Just the 20 goals and 2 assists in 29 club finals. No biggie for Ronaldo.
Click to expand...

Messi is the better finals performer than Ronaldo though:

https://michelacosta.com/messi-vs-ronaldo/finals/

Messi with 31 goals and 14 assist, no biggie
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Here's your debate ffs, keep this utter bollocks out of Messi's thread @genardk

Also, remind me where Juve are this season? And already just two losses away from your total losses last season and projecting at a 61 point season? hmmmmm........
Click to expand...

they’re just 3 points out of virtually being in a CL spot already in fairness
 
genardk said:
These arguments do not make any sense as compares a world-class poacher with a player that is one of the greatest playmakers, goalscorer, dribblers of all time just by looking at goal numbers. Ronaldo is a striker, and that's it. He's pretty limited vs Messi other than goal scoring. Fortunately, most football world understands football well enough and watches football enough to know that Messi is a clearly better player, even some of Ronaldo's teammates, the biggest exception by far is the Portuguese & United fans which is understandable. Benzema, Lewa, Salah can all be deadly at City in a striker role (nothing special) as you will be served very well at City without any doubt as a striker.. Messi is not in a striker role, his main focus has always been on running the game and serving the team rather than being served unlike Ronaldo. He always seemed to me to be a player that loves playmaking, creating more than goal scoring. Just because Messi is scoring as many goals as other strikers, people for some reason assume that Messi is also a striker camping around the penalty box.. You put Ronaldo in a striker position and provide him service, he will score tons of goals like Lewa, Benzema etc. But creating positions, running the game, dribbling past the players, scoring goals outside the penalty box, nope, that's not his style. Most goals he scored would be inside the penalty box area where he is the main focus of the attack at the expense of other attackers, very rarely scores outside the box, 30% of all his goals at Juve were penalties. His free-kick success rate at Juve was 1 in 72 attempts, the worst free-kick taker ever at Juve. It is funny all comparisons between Ronaldo and Messi by Ronaldo fans revolve around goal numbers as there is not much to compare on other sides of the game.

Messi won Copa MVP awards twice, World Cup MVP, Olympics MVP outside Barca whereas Ronaldo has nothing compared to that, could not even avoid the disaster against Serbia with a superior Portugal team.. There goes your he could only do it at Barca argument..

Messi also won Ballon D'or or is a top Ballon D'or candidate under mediocre coaches like Koemann and Valverde. You are talking like playing under great coaches is a disadvantage which is weird. If anything, Messi proved that he could flourish even under terrible coaches with poor tactics..
Click to expand...
Stopped reading here. Still sad he left? At least you're doing great without him! Good news re the recent round of financial investigation too!
 
Daysleeper said:
they’re just 3 points out of virtually being in a CL spot already in fairness
Click to expand...

And?
They have been utter dogshit this season so far, and are projected to pick up 17 less points than last season.
Oh, and no, they are currently 5 points off a CL spot. You even try to spin that as “virtually 3 points off” :wenger:, so your point is what exactly? And why the feck do you post 100 times more about Messi than your fecking club? That’s just bizarre worship.
 
Last edited:
You guys really should try and enjoy them both as they’re at the end of their careers, as opposed to the mental gymnastics to try and point score one over the other. You’ll never agree, we get it.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
And?
They have been utter dogshit this season so far, and are projected to pick up 17 less points than last season.
Oh, and no, they are currently 5 points off a CL spot. You even try to spin that as “virtually 3 points off” :wenger:, so your point is what exactly? And why the feck do you post 100 times more about Messi than your fecking club? That’s just bizarre worship.
Click to expand...

Juventus were just as bad last year. They’re 4 points off a CL spot.
Not sure why you’re getting your panties in a twist

united have regressed this season just as badly as Juventus have, at a worse rate too considering they finished second last year and now are in danger of missing the CL by an even bigger gap than Juventus but of course you won’t mention that.

Juventus at this time last year were 3 points off a CL spot this year a whopping 4 points off a CL spot.
 
Last edited:
genardk said:
Goals are the cherry on the cake for Messi while they are everything for Ronaldo as he lacks world-class playmaking, dribbling abilities. Ronaldo is a striker and Messi is not.
Peak Messi>>>Peak Ronaldo in CL, easily.
Click to expand...
:lol: only the Messi brigade will come up with such nonsense. Ronaldo being the greatest CL player ever is beyond any reasonable doubt.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
5 points. If they had 4 more points now they’d be 5th.

and no, they are looking 17 points worse this year.

I won’t mention United being shit?? :lol: I’ve literally spent all season talking about that, and plenty of last season too.
Click to expand...

mate, Juventus have 21 points, Atalanta 25…that’s four points
 
Daysleeper said:
ahh my bad, you are right buddy
Click to expand...

There we go, and currently 0-1 down at home to Atalanta so could be getting worse and they’ll be 8 points off fourth if the don’t turn this around.
They are clearly a worse side without Ronaldo, although that probably has as much to do with Morata being dog poo. In honesty it all started to go wrong for them once they signed him.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
There we go, and currently 0-1 down at home to Atalanta so could be getting worse and they’ll be 8 points off fourth if the don’t turn this around.
They are clearly a worse side without Ronaldo, although that probably has as much to do with Morata being dog poo. In honesty it all started to go wrong for them once they signed him.
Click to expand...

Fair points. I thought Allegri would fare better than he has so far.
 
Daysleeper said:
Fair points. I thought Allegri would fare better than he has so far.
Click to expand...

I wouldn’t blame him, the team has regressed massively in the past two seasons, something that was clear when the league top scorer with 29 goals in 31 games somehow ended up fourth.
The fact Dybala has come more and more back into the fold from them desperately wanting rid, and their frontline now consisting of Morata and Dybala, it’s no surprise they’ve regressed so much, they’ve gone from having the league’s top scorer to not having a player in the league’s top 25 scorers. :eek:
 
KeanoMagicHat said:
Messi and Ronaldo both stood out in two CL finals, for Messi it was 2009 and 2011, for Ronaldo it was 2008 and 2017. In 2014 he scored a penalty in the 120th minute when Real Madrid were already 3-1 up after a pretty anonymous display. 2016 and 2018 he was fairly anonymous. And Messi’s 2015 final was a better performance than Ronaldo’s 2014, 2016 or 2018 finals.

In CL semi-finals, Ronaldo was top class in 3 semi against Arsenal in 2008-09, Bayern in 2013-14 and against Atletico in 2016-17. He also had a few he was fairly anonymous in. Messi was also top class in 3, Real Madrid 10-11, Bayern 14-15 and Liverpool 18-19 in my opinion, despite their loss.
Click to expand...
Ronaldo literally has more than double the goals messi has in CL semi-finals (he holds the record for most). There’s no way he was only top class in 3 semis with that record.
 
So after today, Juve are now on course for a 57 point season, 21 less than last season. They still have no player in the league’s top 25 scorers.

Time to completely put to bed the utter ludicrous idea that a bloke who scored 29 in 31 was holding them back. It’s as stupid a claim as pretending he’s the problem at United this season. United would be in a far worse state without him (and in the Europa League), just as Juve are seeing.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
So after today, Juve are now on course for a 57 point season, 21 less than last season. They still have no player in the league’s top 25 scorers.

Time to completely put to bed the utter ludicrous idea that a bloke who scored 29 in 31 was holding them back. It’s as stupid a claim as pretending he’s the problem at United this season. United would be in a far worse state without him (and in the Europa League), just as Juve are seeing.
Click to expand...

I don't believe he was the problem, but if you sell your main goalscorer you gotta replace him. They didn't
 
Ronaldo was a scapegoat at Juve, if you watched every single Juve match the last 3 years, he was not a problem at all on the field. If he was one financially, point fingers to the club's management positions.

Ronaldo lately is a victim of his own success. But it's better to be a victim of your own success, than never having had success.
 
bakalhau said:
Ronaldo was a scapegoat at Juve, if you watched every single Juve match the last 3 years, he was not a problem at all on the field. If he was one financially, point fingers to the club's management positions.

Ronaldo lately is a victim of his own success. But it's better to be a victim of your own success, than never having had success.
Click to expand...

Ronaldo is being a victim of his own competitiveness and hunger, he shouldn't be playing 90 minutes every match at 37...he played 90 minutes against Ireland away, then 2 days later against Serbia at home, he looked so tired against Serbia in the second half, he wasn't a problem at all for serbian defenders who outrun him easily.

If he is smart, he is gonna rest a bit before Portugal play-off matches in March, i don't think he wants to miss WC, knowing that it might be his last WC.
Still i think Italy will qualify, but Ronaldo sure will try his best.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
So after today, Juve are now on course for a 57 point season, 21 less than last season. They still have no player in the league’s top 25 scorers.

Time to completely put to bed the utter ludicrous idea that a bloke who scored 29 in 31 was holding them back. It’s as stupid a claim as pretending he’s the problem at United this season. United would be in a far worse state without him (and in the Europa League), just as Juve are seeing.
Click to expand...
@genardk
 
Pickle85 said:
@genardk
Click to expand...

I feel almost sorry for him, imagine rather than enjoying one of the best players in history scoring 101 goals in 134 games for your team and winning two titles, 2 super cups, one Coppa Italia, 2 Serie A POTY awards and one Capocannoniere, you instead convince yourself he’s somehow the reason you’re going backwards.
He was likely convinced Allegri was gonna come in and turn Dybala into a consistent footballer or Morata into a footballer.
The realisation for him now, that in fact, signing average footballers like Ramsey, Morata, Rabiot, Moise Kean, McKennie, having Szczesny in goal and the ageing of their CB’s are in fact the reason they are shite.

It’d be like United getting much worse now after Ole was sacked, I’m here expecting so much and I don’t even wanna imagine the pain if we actually get fecking miles worse, as Juventus have done post Ronaldo.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I feel almost sorry for him, imagine rather than enjoying one of the best players in history scoring 101 goals in 134 games for your team and winning two titles, 2 super cups, one Coppa Italia, 2 Serie A POTY awards and one Capocannoniere, you instead convince yourself he’s somehow the reason you’re going backwards.
He was likely convinced Allegri was gonna come in and turn Dybala into a consistent footballer or Morata into a footballer.
The realisation for him now, that in fact, signing average footballers like Ramsey, Morata, Rabiot, Moise Kean, McKennie, having Szczesny in goal and the ageing of their CB’s are in fact the reason they are shite.

It’d be like United getting much worse now after Ole was sacked, I’m here expecting so much and I don’t even wanna imagine the pain if we actually get fecking miles worse, as Juventus have done post Ronaldo.
Click to expand...
Couldn't have put it better. There are a number of weirdly gobby Juve fans on the caf spouting all sorts of nonsense. That Del Vecchio chap is another example. Odd behaviour.
 
Is Ronaldo benched because he’s a tactical liability? So weird he isn’t starting
 
Daysleeper said:
Is Ronaldo benched because he’s a tactical liability? So weird he isn’t starting
Click to expand...
I assume so, Carrick confirmed it was a tactical decision. They lost intensity when he came on and he didn't add anything.

His lack of attempt to track Mount and prevent the cross to Rudiger at the end was pretty poor. That could've cost United the game.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I feel almost sorry for him, imagine rather than enjoying one of the best players in history scoring 101 goals in 134 games for your team and winning two titles, 2 super cups, one Coppa Italia, 2 Serie A POTY awards and one Capocannoniere, you instead convince yourself he’s somehow the reason you’re going backwards.
He was likely convinced Allegri was gonna come in and turn Dybala into a consistent footballer or Morata into a footballer.
The realisation for him now, that in fact, signing average footballers like Ramsey, Morata, Rabiot, Moise Kean, McKennie, having Szczesny in goal and the ageing of their CB’s are in fact the reason they are shite.

It’d be like United getting much worse now after Ole was sacked, I’m here expecting so much and I don’t even wanna imagine the pain if we actually get fecking miles worse, as Juventus have done post Ronaldo.
Click to expand...

World class everyone of them, that Ronaldo fella was holding them back, just look at how they are doing this season... oh wait... n/m
 
Bebestation said:
International goals
Messi 80 goals in 158 caps - 0.506. 163 mins per goal
Ronaldo 115 goals in 184 caps - 0.625. 127 mins per goal

Goals + Assists.

Messi 80G + 47 Assists - 103 mins per goal contribution

Ronaldo 115 + 31 assists- 100 mins per goal contribution

Competitive Internationals only

Messi - 111 apps, 32 Assists, 46 goals
  • 204 mins per goal
  • 120 mins per goal contribution
Ronaldo
132 apps - 95 Goals, 22 Assists,
  • 120 mins per goal
  • 97 mins per goal contribution
Click to expand...

Don't you think thats unfair when Ronnie gets Luxemburg, Andorra and co. regularly, while the weakest Messi faces is the likes of Bolivia and Venezuela who are a completely different level.

I mean of those goals
8 vs Luxemburg
5 vs Armenia
7 vs Lithuania
4 vs Faroe Islands
5 vs Latvia

That accounts for 29 alone....
 
padr81 said:
Don't you think thats unfair when Ronnie gets Luxemburg, Andorra and co. regularly, while the weakest Messi faces is the likes of Bolivia and Venezuela who are a completely different level.

I mean of those goals
8 vs Luxemburg
5 vs Armenia
7 vs Lithuania
4 vs Faroe Islands
5 vs Latvia

That accounts for 29 alone....
Click to expand...
Agreed. The altitude in Bolivia is crazy.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.