That is completely unfair though considering they have similar stats. They are both deadly assasins in front of goal, they just deliver it differently.
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That is completely unfair though considering they have similar stats. They are both deadly assasins in front of goal, they just deliver it differently.
You missed "whether we want to admit it or not..."
Unless you have a superpower which allows you to read people minds, your second part of the sentence is not true.
The infatuation comes when someone walks in pretending to know more about football (basically someone who gets off at dribbles more than actual winning) and suggest Messi is on another level to Ronaldo in terms of great players while Ronald would pretty much just make the top 10.
Then the same people suggest all Ronaldo does is "take his goals very well" while Messi has the whole game under his control. It's just ignorance and to me shows you understand very little about football if you think the gap between them is that big in any way.
If one is living under a rock since 2013 then maybe.
Ah so some people think all that "drive" stuff is bollocks. Ironic because its one of the things Messi is so good at as well and what separates him from much of the rest.
This drive is why Ronaldo wins trophy after trophy and Messi considers retirement afters Copas.
Ronaldo and Messi are on the Mount Rushmore of football whether you like it or not that is how it is. IN MY OPINION they are arguably 2 of the top 3 players of all time. Maradona is in that top 3.
Unpopular opinion: Pelé is overrated.
Unpopular opinion: Pelé is overrated.
That's how football works.
United beating PSG. Solkjaer last minute winner. Had France won the penalties. Had Maradonnas foul been caught. Had Argentina not missed the penalties.
That's how it works and lastly, Ronaldo is the reason they were in the final anyway. A massive achievement on its own. He then rallied his team for the victory. The desire he instills in his team is built over time, so I am not referring to the sideline cheerleading but how he inspires all of them.
Read what the players had to say after the game. Almost all of them credited Ronaldo for it. He has crushed Messi in international achievements by winning a European trophy with Portugal while Messi has been bottling it for ages with Argentina.
Now anyone who disagrees with this or tries to convince someone that Argentinas players aren't as good as Portugals are not being honest really. You can debate who the better player is but you can't debate over facts and the facts are Ronaldo has an international trophy while Messi doesn't.
Funny enough they never count the intangibles in sports and I Would argue that when discussing GREATNESS that is the most IMPORTANT thing. Back against the wall, how you do under pressure, all of that is very important. Then I remember for a while many would say “penaldo” yet Messi could not score a penalty if his life depended on it.
Ronaldo vs Juve last year that last minute penalty that sends Madrid to the final. Does anyone honestly believe Messi would score that ? Hell no he does not have that in him he does not have that mentality or that X factor that you are born with. Ronaldo, Tom Brady, Michael Jordan all of them have that “thing” along with being the most competitive players you will ever meet.
Murder with words. Amen.
I think Messi is also a great player. Personally I don't think he's greater than Ronaldo but if someone thinks that then their opinion, I won't argue. The issue is though, Messi is great because he wins not because he can dribble. People don't realize if Messi hadn't won his La Ligas or CL's he'd be no where in this debate. Yet, people downplay the importance of winning as ridiculous as it sounds.
And if you're going to be calling 'mental drive' in a GOAT debate bollocks then yeah we have different definitions and maybe you should youtube worlds best freestylers with a football.
I agree in fact if you see all my posts even on other threads I always give Messi the respect he deserves because he is one of the greatest. But the hate and biased against Ronaldo on here is laughable. Messi has more talent no doubt about it but that is not everything in football. I mean Ronaldinho and quaresma have more talent then Ronaldo one can argue. Many quarterbacks have more talent then Tom Brady. Jordan was not good enough to make his HS team. Yet which one of those players are better ? Jordan, Brady, Ronaldo. The intangibles are just as important as talent and of greatness is being discussed it is much more important then talent alone.
I think the "drive" talk detracts from Ronaldo's unique and world class skillset. I do not buy that he is a good player performing at world class levels because his "drive" bridges the gap. A lot of players have "drive", more than we credit. If you're playing at the highest levels of sport, your "mental fortitude" or "bottle" or "drive" or "clutch" (all in quotes because they're all the favorite cliches used by armchair psychologists the world over) is fine. What matters more is your skill, your intelligence, your experience.
Ronaldo wins trophy after trophy because he is physically gifted and has the intelligence to put his physique and talent to use as a wide forward. Not because he has some "drive" higher than any other player on the pitch.
Messi, also, wins trophy after trophy because he is physically gifted and has the intelligence to put his physique and talent to use as a wide forward, central forward AND playmaker. Not because he has some "drive" higher than any other player on the pitch.
Neymar can do things with the ball I'm not 100% Ronaldo could but lacks the drive to really make a claim to the top. Drive matters a lot. Being Physically gifted is just part of it. Sir Alex Ferguson also, btw, had a lot of drive in him.
That’s madness. Not sure if you watch American football but Tom Brady is the GOAT and it’s not based on his talent alone because there are and have been many more talented players then Brady.
But football skill is more than what you can do with the ball at your feet I think?
Ronaldo is no slouch with the ball at his feet, but he understands the game a lot. He knows how to find the weak point in any defense. His off the ball movement. I don't think Neymar touches him in any of those areas.
Do you think the gap between Neymar and Ronaldo is simply to Neymar not "wanting it more"?
Ball manipulations isn't necessarily an indication that someone could reign at the top. That's why futsal players are not professional footballers. Don't let Neymar's trickery fool you into thinking that he could challenge Ronaldo/Messi if he could in some way work harder. Personally I think Neymar has reached his peak and obviously has done some amazing things in football, but in my opinion there's very little more he could have done to challenge them.
I think Brady's greatness is due to a combination of his physical talent, intelligence, innate knowledge of his teams' schemes, and personal discipline. I don't think he "wants it" more than Rodgers or Brees.
It's obviously not simply just that but it's a factor. It's why teams like Totenham and Liverpool just crumble when the pressure is there.
Messi has a really good drive but its no where near Ronaldos. The hasty retirement and return is proof. Ronaldo would have come back stronger while Messi is just frustrated and destroyed post international failures.
Disagree. Maradona won 5 major trophies in his entire career, 7 if you include national cups, and nevertheless he was always on this debate. That's a relatively poor output for a top top top football player.
You're simplifying it by "wants it" but it's a key component in any form of competition. Even in warfare, some of the best generals were those that had the mentality for it. There is a reason Ronaldo acts cocky and arrogant. He knows how important his mentality is and how it gives him and edge over the opposition. He knows he has to build on that aura as much as he can.
He scored the lowest score in a combine he is not an athletic person by any means so he isn’t “physically talented” per say as shown by him being drafted in the 6th round 199 overall. That is him wanting it more then anyone else and having a mental drive unlike anyone in football.
What if Maradona had never won a world cup. Do you honestly believe he would be as involved in these debates? Maybe but a key aspect of Maradona is the world cup.
BTW, people should listen to some interviews with football selecters and scouts. Many talk about how mentality and drive separates the talented players on which ones to select. Just take an extreme example: Ravel Morrison.
Don’t even have to go that far look at Quaresma he was and is more talented then Ronaldo but who is the better player?
Ronaldo had a good run, but tonight settles it. What Messi has shown is on another level.
That describes this debate in a nutshell Also I know it was a joke that’s what I am laughing at aha
He was joking relax relax but yes enjoy your day was always going to be a route today.Nah, not a great team.
Not a clutch performance.
Not a hat trick.
Fraud of a player
I'm joking too.
Right now, the best player of the world is Pique, another monster performance
Can safely say that Barcelona is completely fecked when the midget's powers start to wane and he retires. They're gonna go through an even worse time than we did post-Fergie. Impossible standards are being set.
Now that is something we can agree on. All hail Pique balon d or 2019
Until the next great game of Ronaldo, when it gets settled again.
Look, claiming Ronaldo is better than Messi is one thing. Claiming that overrated charlatan, blessed with the greatest mind ever in football as his coach, is somehow the greatest ever player is another.
And rinse repeat until one, or they both hang up their boots
The greatest mind ever in football has had every opportunity to get a new QB. The fact that he hasn't should tell you something, with him being The Greatest Mind in Football™ and all?
Ahahah I don’t want to derail the thread and though I agree Tom Brady has the best coach of all time on his side. Tom Brady is the goat .... but we should open another thread for that debate
Probably until long after when they both become coaches and face each other every season
How the hell did Messi see Pique I still don't know. That's a genius play.
Messi would have struggled with Atletico's compact defending.
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