I'm not a Ronaldo fan at all (I'm solidly in the Ronaldo Lima/Ronaldinho camp). And actually, I don't think this World Cup matters at all in terms of Messi's legacy. 2014 WC was what killed it for me when it came to Messi. He had no excuses then. This time around, sure they have some excuses but I don't care either way in 2018.
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I'm not a Ronaldo fan at all (I'm solidly in the Ronaldo Lima/Ronaldinho camp). And actually, I don't think this World Cup matters at all in terms of Messi's legacy. 2014 WC was what killed it for me when it came to Messi. He had no excuses then. This time around, sure they have some excuses but I don't care either way in 2018.
For first section (GOAT in career achievements), Ronaldo is clear winner for me. For section 2 (GOAT in footballing), its questionable who is better based on analysis above (hence the question mark), its subjective and open for discussion. I only go along with traditional values and popular opinion for now (dribbling, passing, skills are generally viewed as more important technical attributes than header and penalties, while technical superiority are traditionally rated higher than mental and physical strength in GOAT discussion etc). But I do honestly think they all impact the game the same.
So personally, I do rate Ronaldo GOAT overall.
I try not to get involved in these this thread because in the end we all know there will be a pointless debate which will never get solves at the end.
I will go for Ronaldo and I won't explain why because I am sure someboby will pop up and correct me otherwise. This debate will be a matter of opinion for a long, long time
Why in the world are you bringing up Euros? We are talking about the World Cup.
Woah is that pole fixed? Exactly 357 votes each?
It's been closed I think.
Yes if Argentina come second and Portugal second I believe they can in the quarters.
That would be one cracking match and will settle the debate to some extend.
How will it settle the debate? This debate will never be settled
It’s so difficult to compare players using achievements.
For De Gea to even be considered better than Neuer he would need to win the UCL and WC? Does this mean Thomas Muller is a greater than RVP?
I can’t argue with people saying Ronaldo has achieved more than Messi. I’ve always thought when comparing were comparing ability? Maybe it’s a combination of both? There will never be a right answer because people have to agree on what it’s measured by.
If Messi had won that final in 2014 would that have ended the debate? Despite everything that’s happened since 2014?
For De Gea to even be considered better than Neuer he would need to win the UCL and WC? Does this mean Thomas Muller is a greater than RVP?
I can’t argue with people saying Ronaldo has achieved more than Messi. I’ve always thought when comparing were comparing ability? Maybe it’s a combination of both? There will never be a right answer because people have to agree on what it’s measured by.
If Messi had won that final in 2014 would that have ended the debate? Despite everything that’s happened since 2014?
Messi did not peak in 2011-2012.
He scored a bucket-load of goals vs cannon fodder that season, but was not as influential in the biggest games. He was invisible in the title deciding El Clasico that season.
His peak was 2010-2011 or 2014-2015 when he was highly influential in all the big games and performed his role to perfection.
So the point of Messi having a decade long peak is still wrong...which was the point of contention.
If you think Messi had a peak between 2010 and 2015 that's fair as well.
I said to some extend.How will it settle the debate? This debate will never be settled
I don't think they have faced each other with their respective national teams in a cup competition. It should give some measure closure to me at least as both their teams are struggling. The pressure to perform would also be high as it would be a QF in WC
Nah, there's plenty of United fans who rate Messi and some who still have a bit of a grudge against Ronaldo for leaving.... broadly, people say who they rate and why.
Your comments about Ronaldo having good players around him at Madrid (and implying that he maybe has it easier than Messi) .... I presume that also stands for the years and years when Messi had Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Puyol, Eto, Henry, Villa, Alves, etc, etc around him?
Zidane saying Ronaldo is the best player ever is to be ignored, yet when he says he'd like to win La Liga that is to be taken like gospel.
(a) It's almost as if scoring goals is the whole point of football, isn't it?
Do you rate Frank Lampard over Xavi?
It’s an opinion I agree with and want to share?
Easier to post the tweet than me steal it, change it up and then post it.
He's hardly going to say different when he's managing him is he?Zidane saying Ronaldo is the best player ever is to be ignored, yet when he says he'd like to win La Liga that is to be taken like gospel.
Forwards are generally rated on their ability to score.
Midfielders? Not so much...
What with the who now?
OK now I know why you post tweets rather than write them yourself.
Ronaldo is a striker/wide forward, Messi is a wide forward/wide midfielder. There is a difference. Besides, the main point was scoring a goal doesn't mean you've played well, which is a point almost everyone can agree with?
Messi still is the better player. Two ir three games in this World Cup won't change that
Messi plays centrally for the most part but ok.
And obviously yes. But I bet Messi and Argentina could use a goal or 2 right about now.
Messi is a wide midfielder despite not playing wide nor in midfield. He really is incredible.
I disagree.
Ronaldo is the better player while Messi is more gifted. Despite the extra things Messi does, Ronaldo is more reliable and shows up when it matters. He’s not as dependant for things to fall into place for him to get going. He just makes it work.
What? Every game Messi plays he is right-bias, and nowhere near the last defender. He is neither central nor striker, which is why I said wide-mid/forward:
What? Every game Messi plays he is right-bias, and nowhere near the last defender. He is neither central nor striker, which is why I said wide-mid/forward:
How can you watch Messi play and think he plays in midfield nevermind out wide. He's a central player with 0 defensive responsabilities, he drops deep often but he's no midfielder. Same for Ronaldo, he also doesn't play out wide. He just falls to the wings from time to time. They both have very specific positions but they're second strikers more than anything.
Ronaldo is just starting to become a striker and I think next year Madrid are going to start playing him alone upfront more often similarly to what Portugal have done.
No, it's not. Winning is the purpose so the point is scoring more than your opponents. And Messi is much better at dominating the other team, keeping possession, solving tight situations, creating superiority etc. It's quite funny that people like you always proclaim how important Xavi and Iniesta were for Messi's success bit when he runs the midfield for Barca and Argentina in their absence you say football was about scoring goals. I also think that in the majority of cases the player scoring the goal isn't the one who contributed the most for it. But I told you tht numerous times so what's the point? You'll probably answer with a provocative one liner again and I'll point out that you are superficial, use double standards and use these arguments because you idolize Cristiano, not the other way round. You are not as bad as this Vancouver guy I had to put on ignore but in stark contrast to Peyroteo, one simply can't discuss with you. At least in this topic, I've never seen you in a thread in which you can't praise Cristiano or discredit Messi.
I did not say he was explicitly a midfielder, I said forward/midfielder. There is a difference, you just acknowledged yourself that Messi drops deep often. Ronaldo moves to left-wing when out of possession then moves to striker and into the box when they do, which is often the case at club level.
Those things are more important if you play possession based football, if you play counter attacking football losing the ball isn't so bad as long as you do it in the right areas too. So it's not so simple, they play within the context of their own teams.
‘He should be ashamed' - Emmanuel Petit (former Barca player), with some choice words for Lionel Messi
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.ind...-for-argentina-and-lionel-messi-37040278.html
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.ind...-for-argentina-and-lionel-messi-37040278.html
First of all, Barca (certainly Xaviesta) are better "at dominating the other team, keeping possession, solving tight situations, creating superiority etc." Messi contributes to that but as we have seen with Argentina, he is incapable of doing that on his own.
Secondly, football is ultimately about scoring more than the opposition, dominating possession etc doesn't really matter one iota without the scoring part. (Unless you're LVG).
I'm the one who's often argued that Messi is the 2nd best footballer ever, yet somehow I'm incapable of giving him credit, whereas the Messi brigade who claim Luiz Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Modric, Bale & co are better or as good as Cristiano are being completely reasonable?
@Cal? don’t know if you noticed or not but he disagreed with you and then instantly agreed with what you said in the following sentence.
From “no it’s not” to then “the point is scoring more” right after, thus agreeing with you haha
Scoring MORE. Not just scoring. Not only can't you write coherent sentences, now you're struggling to read them
Go to bed!They both score lots of goals while Messi also creates goals. Can only mean Messi is better?
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