Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance

[The holy trinity 68]

Comments like this just further prove to us why Ronaldo has been better.

We all know he was slow to start the year, yet here Ronaldo is sitting with more goals than Messi on the year...that’s a testament to CR7’s sheer determination and shows Messi has slowed down considerably since the beginning of the year. You’ve literally just said this for me yourself.

And yea yea, again you can try making the league sound almighty and important. Props to Barca on winning it not taking anything away from that achievement. But everyone knows Madrid/Ronaldo stopped caring about the league and had all their focus on the CL which they’ve made their priority for a number of years now. In actuality, Messi didn’t show up in the biggest game of the year for Barca. Don’t pretend like it was any other random game lollll

It is not only goals that make a player though, if that was the case then Zidane, Iniesta, Xavi would not be great players.

Besides, Ronaldo has a few more goals than Messi in a lot more appearances. Take away goals and what does Ronaldo have that Messi does not? That is the difference between them.

And there is my point, because LL was wrapped up early, Ron has had to be more consistent as the only trophy they could win is the CL. Being able to be rested and put all his focus into the CL has allowed him to be as good as Messi since the turn of the year. When Ron had all his focus on every competition he was not as consistent.

I don’t care if Ronaldo has scored a few more than Messi in 2018, it isn’t just about the goals, it is about doing what is best for his team mates. Ronaldo does what is best for himself.

Messi has been consistent the whole season, excluding a few games. Ronaldo has been consistent for half of the season.

The better player is obviously the one who has been great for the majority of the season, not half of it.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Yea why not do both? Seattle to Vancouver is only a couple hours drive anyways and the weather will be lovely by the time you get here.

Last I went to a Cali was a few years ago. Did the whole Disney Land thing and went to Disney World in Orlando last summer.

Did you see any of the Disney Social Clubs?

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-disneyland-social-clubs-20180209-story.html

 

[4bars]

Why do people keep repeating this when it's not true at all?

Because it is true

 

[Peyroteo]

That's not the core issue, just an hyperbole, the most important thing is debating how big of an influence both Leo and Cris are for their teams, and where are they able to put teams that, without them, would plainly suck for the expected level of both countries.

So, who cares if, by squad standards at WC level, Argentina could be a QF/SF team that gets to have a shot at the title with Messi in it, same way Portugal could be a Group Phase/R16 squad at best that Ronaldo can carry to QF or Semis, that's exactly what both of them have been doing for the last World Cups.

Continental level? We all saw the Euro, the group you had, the legs and how you struggled or "lucked" to be in the final even with Cristiano Ronaldo, but neither at Euro or WC level I can find a single fact to 100% say "Ronaldo has outperformed Messi at international level", because





4 Goals, 1 Assist (3rd in the Goden Boot)
3.3 Key passes per game (6th overall)
6.6 Dribbles per game (1st, 1dpg on Alexis, 1.6 on freaking Arjen Robben)
4 Man of the Match in 7 games

He wasn't the best? We may need to organize a collect to send you a TV and the DVD's with all Argentina games in that WC, everyone who ate the 660 minutes of dullness from that awful squad is well aware that the golden ball was fully deserved for the only guy capable of doing something in that team, since the first game to the final.

There's absolutely no way Messi was the best player at the 2014 World Cup, I won't even bother arguing that since everyone knows it too. Not even close, don't care what WhoScored says. Calling that Argentina an awful sqaud has to be a joke, you can't be serious.

I don't think it is far away between them internationally by the way, main reason I'd give it to Ronaldo is the longevity. Playing a key role in the team for 15 years is incredible

You didn't complete your 3rd paragraph, but I wasn't just talking about Euro 2016 when I said that. If in 2016 we got an easy group, in 2012 we got a nightmare of a group and went through. If we win the penalty shootout against Spain in 2012 and then lose the penalty shootout against Poland in 2016... if we win it in 2012 with Ronaldo playing at a higher level then he'd get more credit for what he's achieved with Portugal.

 

[Peyroteo]

Because it is true

Have you heard of Eusebio?

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

Because it is true

There’s a difference between the 2.

I agree Messi is the most talented player ever. That doesn’t meant he’s the BEST player as Ronaldo is that imo with him coming through when it matters most.

Some would prefer the most talented player which is perfectly fine. I prefer the one you know you can rely on, the best big game player ever.

Ability/talent/skill ≠ best footballer.

Yes Messi is the most skilled player ever. Doesn’t mean he was the best player. That’s like saying a street player with immense skill is better than Ronaldo because he has more ability. There’s a lot more to it than just that.

 

[4bars]

Yes, but Messi is skilled an appears when it matters the most. not always, like not always CR like not always any player ever.

When most of the people, and that we all know basically hearing pundits, footballers, ex-footballers, manager, etc... they say it, is not only because of the skills but for an overall. If not they would rate Messi as Magico Gonzalez, who Maradona said he was more skilled than himself

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

I don’t care if Ronaldo has scored a few more than Messi in 2018, it isn’t just about the goals, it is about doing what is best for his team mates. Ronaldo does what is best for himself.

Again, keep telling yourself that.

I’d assume most people would want the player that at least shows up to the game. For me, that’s the 1st step when it comes to being a team player. Who was the better team player? Ask Roma fans and then ask Juvé fans, they’ll tell you.

And nonesense lmao. Look at the CL alltime assists leaders. There’s this misconception because Ronaldo scores at the rate he does he doesn’t look for teammates. Watch any game of Madrid, Ronaldo will always make the play to a player ahead of him to get the team in a scoring position. It just turns out he’s usually the furthest player up the pitch. That Juvé penalty? Look who made the pass...

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

Did you see any of the Disney Social Clubs?

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-disneyland-social-clubs-20180209-story.html

Nope.

Didn’t even know there was such a thing tbh hahah. But I’d have known/remembered if I saw any of them.

 

[4bars]

Have you heard of Eusebio?

Yes, what about the protuguese legend?

 

[Peyroteo]

Yes, what about the protuguese legend?

Ronaldo comparisons? Ronaldo gets compared to other greats all the time, same as Messi.

They obviously get compared to eachother a lot too. It's such a weird thing to pretend that's not the case and that it actually matters at all. Don't know why a few people keep saying that.

 

[4bars]

Ronaldo comparisons? Ronaldo gets compared to other greats all the time, same as Messi.

They obviously get compared to eachother a lot too. It's such a weird thing to pretend that's not the case and that it actually matters at all. Don't know why a few people keep saying that.

When you have to ask who is Eusebio, is that he might be not at the same level as the other 4.

Is not pretending anything. When you here it over an over more than CR, way more...maybe they are wrong, but is weird to go against with a majority.

As well, some people think that Messi is Miiiiiiiiiles ahead than CR, even if they are wrong. Nobody think that CR is miiiiiiiiiles ahead.

Is just a matter of spectrums. the spectrum of Messi is between fnaboys and not that fanboys better than the spectrum of CR fanboys or not that fanboys. And the spectrum of CR


That is MY PERCEPTION of how people think both are good


[-----------------------Average how good people think Messi is----------------------]

===========>[-----------------------Average how good people think CR-- is----------------------]


In that spectrum it can happen that CR is considered better than Messi. but Messi average OPINIONS, reach further than CR

And as I repeat over and over, is something perceived by lots of comments heard by any kind

In general, People that think that CR is better, always fight to compare it with Messi, while people that think that Messi is better only defends about the people that thinks that CR is better and they still have time to play with the idea that is the best in the history

 

[Cal?]

When you have to ask who is Eusebio, is that he might be not at the same level as the other 4.

Is not pretending anything. When you here it over an over more than CR, way more...maybe they are wrong, but is weird to go against with a majority.

As well, some people think that Messi is Miiiiiiiiiles ahead than CR, even if they are wrong. Nobody think that CR is miiiiiiiiiles ahead.

Is just a matter of spectrums. the spectrum of Messi is between fnaboys and not that fanboys better than the spectrum of CR fanboys or not that fanboys. And the spectrum of CR


That is MY PERCEPTION of how people think both are good


[-----------------------Average how good people think Messi is----------------------]

===========>[-----------------------Average how good people think CR-- is----------------------]


In that spectrum it can happen that CR is considered better than Messi. but Messi average OPINIONS, reach further than CR

And as I repeat over and over, is something perceived by lots of comments heard by any kind

In general, People that think that CR is better, always fight to compare it with Messi, while people that think that Messi is better only defends about the people that thinks that CR is better and they still have time to play with the idea that is the best in the history

I have already said that Ronaldo is IMO the best ever and Messi the 2nd best ever

 

[4bars]

I have already said that Ronaldo is IMO the best ever and Messi the 2nd best ever

Adn that you are proof of what I say. You as a hardcore fan of CR you put Messi as second best ever. There are many more that consider Messi the best ever and CR not the second. And that is because the perception of the CR fan is that Messi is just there behind CR. But for not just a few Messi fans (some would be exactly the same, Messi first and CR second), there are a few players in between. And that happens many times.

Any way, is impossible to arrive a consensus because is personal taste and there are so many of those. It was not my point. My point is that MY PERCEPTION is that for CR fans, CR and Messi are close in level, while for Messi fans, there are some that think that CR is at similar level but there is a significant part, that they think is much better.

 

[Cal?]

Adn that you are proof of what I say. You as a hardcore fan of CR you put Messi as second best ever. There are many more that consider Messi the best ever and CR not the second. And that is because the perception of the CR fan is that Messi is just there behind CR. But for not just a few Messi fans (some would be exactly the same, Messi first and CR second), there are a few players in between. And that happens many times.

Any way, is impossible to arrive a consensus because is personal taste and there are so many of those. It was not my point. My point is that MY PERCEPTION is that for CR fans, CR and Messi are close in level, while for Messi fans, there are some that think that CR is at similar level but there is a significant part, that they think is much better.

So there are some deluded Messi fans around, I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[4bars]

So there are some deluded Messi fans around, I agree wholeheartedly.

Of course in that spectrum there is deluded Messi fans. But the deluded CR fans are the ones that consider him better than Messi. That is what is average. The stretching of delusion goes as far as the average non deluded ones go


And they are no some like residual, they are quite a lot. But well, if is a matter me against majority, I will not go there

 

[Cal?]

Of course in that spectrum there is deluded Messi fans. But the deluded CR fans are the ones that consider him better than Messi. That is what is average. The stretching of delusion goes as far as the average non deluded ones go


And they are no some like residual, they are quite a lot. But well, if is a matter me against majority, I will not go there

Well, you're a Barca fan.

 

[4bars]

Well, you're a Barca fan.

And you a Man Utd fan . And that is why I don't pretend to make my opinion or your like the average trend, and in general, if you read/hear sport newpapers/TV, I am right with what general comments tends towards both spectrum I said. Then is a matter if you think the world is flat or round. As a CR fan, you are like a flat earther always trying to proof that is flat and not round. Round earthers can go down to the pit to get dirty or not

 

[MVBDX]

Messi puts Argentina through group stage, assists Di Maria vs Switzerland, creates Higuain's chance from a 1vs3 situation in midfield, spends the whole tournament dribbling past rivals, "not a deserved tournament MVP".

Zidane draws vs Switzerland, S.Korea and beats Togo to go through as 2nd, scores 2 penalties, has a great game vs Brazil "lit up the tournament".

The day you people start watching the games instead of talking back the echoes of sport newspapers...

Spare me the goals against mighty Iran and whatnot in the group stage and count them as MotM performances lulz, they could've advanced that group with three 0-0s, actually that's more or less what they did in KOs, they Atletico'd their way through that WC.

In 420 freaking minutes of KO rounds in the WC Messi, the player of tournament, had one assist, that's it, and the side scored two goals in total... so even counting your pre-assists and pre-pre-pre-assists it'd be barely two goals.

 

[KirkDuyt]

When teaching people how not to debate something, this thread should be highlighted to be honest. The amount of fallacies people here use is mind boggling.

and a hilarious read, keep it coming.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

Again, keep telling yourself that.

I’d assume most people would want the player that at least shows up to the game. For me, that’s the 1st step when it comes to being a team player. Who was the better team player? Ask Roma fans and then ask Juvé fans, they’ll tell you.

And nonesense lmao. Look at the CL alltime assists leaders. There’s this misconception because Ronaldo scores at the rate he does he doesn’t look for teammates. Watch any game of Madrid, Ronaldo will always make the play to a player ahead of him to get the team in a scoring position. It just turns out he’s usually the furthest player up the pitch. That Juvé penalty? Look who made the pass...

We are going round in circles.

What is your excuse for Ronaldo being almost non-existent for the first half of the season?

Messi not performing in 1 or 2 games this season is no where near as poor as Ronaldo not performing in half a season.

The Domestic double requires Messi to be at the top of his game for most of the season. The CL requires Ronaldo to be at the top of his game for half a dozen games.

It is just ridiculous for you and others to make out like the CL is the only important competition. As you know that mainly using CL performances is the only argument you have, because Messi has been head and shoulders in the league.

Salah has been better than Messi in the CL this season, it does not mean he is the better player.

Please answer the no show half season for Ron and don’t avoid it this time.

What is your excuse for Ron being better if Real don’t win the CL and Argentina go far in the WC and Portugal do not?

Is Messi then better than Ronaldo because of a few season defining moments?

A few moments in 1 season should not define the greater player, but 2/3 better CL seasons for Ronaldo somehow makes him the better player.

 

[Cezzine]

I’m telling you some of these guys are delusional to the point of no return. Making up random terms like peak performance. Ronaldo is the better big game player amongst the 2, the greatest ever CL player, and definitely has the better peak performance in the CL whatever that’s supposed to mean lol

I know bro, I'm just not sure if I should keep debating with them or only feel sorry of them...

@CezzineAlso, buffon forgot DeGea in his list of top 5 Goalkeepers, sure then buffon knew shit about football.

For me that is more than enough to know I won't keep talking with you about football. Buffon knows shit about football, and to be more precise in an opinion about goalkeepers?

Of course my friend, I'm sure that you know much more than Buffon about football and goalkeepers...

In the end, who the hell is Buffon? He only is the best goalkeeper in the history of the game (for some people 2nd after Yashin, but I doubt any person in this forum saw him live).

What makes Ronaldo better?
I always see someone posting Stats.
Just watch some of their best games, its easy to see messi being better.
Anyone who played Football on a higher level agrees. TV Watcher wont understand

Easy to see why Messi is better? Because he dribbles more or is less selfish?

Watch their games, please.

You can watch for example, their last games vs Juventus. Or their last games vs PSG (despite PSG this year was much stronger than last year). Or also their last games vs Bayern. Or vs At,etico in the UCL...

Now, I'm pretty sure that Messi wasn't better than Rinaldo vs any of that teams. And that teams are the ones that they have played in the important games last seasons.

Ronaldo destroyed all of them, Messi disappeared in all lf them.

It is not only goals that make a player though, if that was the case then Zidane, Iniesta, Xavi would not be great players.

Besides, Ronaldo has a few more goals than Messi in a lot more appearances. Take away goals and what does Ronaldo have that Messi does not? That is the difference between them.

Its clear that not only goals make a player, you can be great in any position.

Ronaldo has a few more goals than Messi in more appearences taking into account his time in Sporting and United. Since he joined Madrid, he has scored more goals than Messi in less games, check it.

Also the better player is not the one that started performing before, but the one that performs in the biggest games on the biggest tournaments, and win them.

For me, its much more difficult and impressive to always perform vs the top teams in the world, than to perform in more games vs teams like Alaves, Girona, Celta, Las Palmas, Malaga, etc...

And of course, history of football has shown us that the best players for all the people in the world are the ones that won the best tournaments. Just ask Pele and Maradona what did they won.

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

We are going round in circles.

1) What is your excuse for Ronaldo being almost non-existent for the first half of the season?

2) Messi not performing in 1 or 2 games this season is no where near as poor as Ronaldo not performing in half a season.

3) The Domestic double requires Messi to be at the top of his game for most of the season. The CL requires Ronaldo to be at the top of his game for half a dozen games.

4) It is just ridiculous for you and others to make out like the CL is the only important competition. As you know that mainly using CL performances is the only argument you have, because Messi has been head and shoulders in the league.

5) Salah has been better than Messi in the CL this season, it does not mean he is the better player.

6) Please answer the no show half season for Ron and don’t avoid it this time.

7) What is your excuse for Ron being better if Real don’t win the CL and Argentina go far in the WC and Portugal do not?

8) Is Messi then better than Ronaldo because of a few season defining moments?

9) A few moments in 1 season should not define the greater player, but 2/3 better CL seasons for Ronaldo somehow makes him the better player.

1) I haven’t made an excuse unlike some lolll. He was slow to begin the year. Yet here he stands with more goals than Messi on the year / shows how much Messi has slowed down that poor old Cristiano with his terrible start is ahead of him - its not how you start it’s how you finish.

2) “1 or 2 games”, k. What’s more impressive, winning against mid tier Spanish clubs or carrying your team round after round against the worlds top clubs? And again, Madrid gave up 1/4 way in the league and Ronaldo didn’t play nearly as much as Messi. Whereas both clubs give it their all in CL (the biggest competition) and one seems to come out in top in the grandest of stage.

3) Messi can be at the top of his game against mid tier clubs but not the best in the world. That’s cute, next.

4) Best in your country or kings of Europe? It’s the bigger prize. That’s like saying Ronaldo’s Euro win doesn’t matter cuz it’s a small competition and Messi won the league. Or that a WC doesn’t mean as much as the league. Either that or you don’t have common sense football knowledge.

5) Not just that but Salah has been better than Messi this year in general all things considered.

6) look at 1) ...seems you’re the one running in circles..

7) Then I say Messi accomplished more. Not rocket science. Until then, as long as Madrid stay the course and if they win the CL, it’s > league.

8) Career defining moments on the grandest stage are usually what people remember when it comes to player legacies. Thus CR7 being known as the big game player (showing up in CLs, the Euros) whereas Messi is the not so big player (CL + Copa America no shows / chokes & not finishing the job in the WC). What do you think peoples lasting image of Gerrard is? Case in point.

9) See previous point.

 

[redchamp]

This thread hurts my head. Some of the replies in here are so spectacularly ridiculous on both sides.

For what it's worth, Ronaldo is ahead of Messi for me.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

1) I haven’t made an excuse unlike some lolll. He was slow to begin the year. Yet here he stands with more goals than Messi on the year / shows how much Messi has slowed down that poor old Cristiano with his terrible start is ahead of him - its not how you start it’s how you finish.

2) “1 or 2 games”, k. What’s more impressive, winning against mid tier Spanish clubs or carrying your team round after round against the worlds top clubs? And again, Madrid gave up 1/4 way in the league and Ronaldo didn’t play nearly as much as Messi. Whereas both clubs give it their all in CL (the biggest competition) and one seems to come out in top in the grandest of stage.

3) Messi can be at the top of his game against mid tier clubs but not the best in the world. That’s cute, next.

4) Best in your country or kings of Europe? It’s the bigger prize. That’s like saying Ronaldo’s Euro win doesn’t matter cuz it’s a small competition and Messi won the league. Or that a WC doesn’t mean as much as the league. Either that or you don’t have common sense football knowledge.

5) Not just that but Salah has been better than Messi this year in general all things considered.

6) look at 1) ...seems you’re the one running in circles..

7) Then I say Messi accomplished more. Not rocket science. Until then, as long as Madrid stay the course and if they win the CL, it’s > league.

8) Career defining moments on the grandest stage are usually what people remember when it comes to player legacies. Thus CR7 being known as the big game player (showing up in CLs, the Euros) whereas Messi is the not so big player (CL + Copa America no shows / chokes & not finishing the job in the WC). What do you think peoples lasting image of Gerrard is? Case in point.

9) See previous point.

It is funny that you suggest Messi only performs against smaller teams and not against the best.

He has more goals than Ronaldo against the best English teams, and more assists. All whilst not even playing in England.

Messi has 28 goals in 32 final appearances.

Ronaldo has 18 goals in 25 final appearances. It is a myth that Messi is poor in big games.

People in the Ronaldo camp seem to only like to remember the last 3 seasons in the CL. Whilst everything before that is easily forgotten.

 

[TheLiverBird]

The only fact that is truer than true

We will all remember the era of Ronaldo and Messi

2 of the greatest players the game has ever seen, imo "The 2" greatest players of the game, and I'm privileged to have watched them both over the years doing things God himself could only dream of creating.

And even more magical is the fact both play for teams that create one of the biggest rivalries in World Football, its not like they play in different leagues and rarely meet each other on the field

year in year out they play head to head in the Galactico

Its simply brilliant

No interest in the willy measuring "so and so is better" "so and so has achieved this" bla bla bla,

 

[Ishdalar]

Spare me the goals against mighty Iran and whatnot in the group stage and count them as MotM performances lulz, they could've advanced that group with three 0-0s, actually that's more or less what they did in KOs, they Atletico'd their way through that WC.

In 420 freaking minutes of KO rounds in the WC Messi, the player of tournament, had one assist, that's it, and the side scored two goals in total... so even counting your pre-assists and pre-pre-pre-assists it'd be barely two goals.

No they wouldn't

Argentina 2 Bosnia 1, guess who scored to give Argentina 3 points and steal one from Bosnia?
Argentina 1 Iran 0, again the same
Argentina 3 Nigeria 2, 2 goals from Messi.

Take that "mighty side" without Messi, they draw vs Bosnia and Iran, lose vs Nigeria, 2 points, they end up dead last with Iran. Even your scenario of 0-0's would be an improvement over the situations Messi carried Argentina from.

And in the KO rounds, even if Argentina were dreadful, the only chances they got were 90% of the time created by the same guy.

Funny that you mention all those things, in a vs thread where I guess you're taking the side of he other guy who has scored 3 goals in 13 games, none in KO rounds, and against Iran, Ghana and North Korea

 

[MVBDX]

No they wouldn't

Argentina 2 Bosnia 1, guess who scored to give Argentina 3 points and steal one from Bosnia?
Argentina 1 Iran 0, again the same
Argentina 3 Nigeria 2, 2 goals from Messi.

Take that "mighty side" without Messi, they draw vs Bosnia and Iran, lose vs Nigeria, 2 points, they end up dead last with Iran. Even your scenario of 0-0's would be an improvement over the situations Messi carried Argentina from.

And in the KO rounds, even if Argentina were dreadful, the only chances they got were 90% of the time created by the same guy.

Funny that you mention all those things, in a vs thread where I guess you're taking the side of he other guy who has scored 3 goals in 13 games, none in KO rounds, and against Iran, Ghana and North Korea

Funny how you changed it all, I said three 0-0s, not erasing every Messi goal and leave it at that, the point was that they were never in danger of not advancing... at the end of the day Argentine weren't playing with 10 men, you put someone else in his place (which would drastically change the way they play + no free pass in defending like Messi) and that guy or someone else would score at least once in 3 matches, they're not short of top forwards anyway, and they'd be through, hell, even add another DM and they'd be through.

 

[MVBDX]

And while Argentina were dreadful attacking wise, they were absolutely top defending wise, which Messi has no contribution whatsoever. It was only their great defense that put them through to the final. It's not far-fetched to say that they basically 0-0'ed their way, and as long as you don't concede you wouldn't get eliminated, you have a chance in PKs, which they had... and that was their plan for the final as well.

In 450 mins of KO football (two matches went into ET) in WC 2014 they scored twice, while conceding none... well almost... they conceded only during the ET of the final.

 

[IFC 1905]

Modric's like "If I say what I really think I'll be kicked out so let's say what sounds nice" in the begining lol

 

[4bars]

For me that is more than enough to know I won't keep talking with you about football. Buffon knows shit about football, and to be more precise in an opinion about goalkeepers?

Of course my friend, I'm sure that you know much more than Buffon about football and goalkeepers...

In the end, who the hell is Buffon? He only is the best goalkeeper in the history of the game (for some people 2nd after Yashin, but I doubt any person in this forum saw him live).

Might be because my english but I don't think you got what I meant

ANyway if you are such a drama queen with: " For me that is more than enough to know I won't keep talking with you about football."

So be it

 

[Apocalypse]

1) I haven’t made an excuse unlike some lolll. He was slow to begin the year. Yet here he stands with more goals than Messi on the year / shows how much Messi has slowed down that poor old Cristiano with his terrible start is ahead of him - its not how you start it’s how you finish.

2) “1 or 2 games”, k. What’s more impressive, winning against mid tier Spanish clubs or carrying your team round after round against the worlds top clubs? And again, Madrid gave up 1/4 way in the league and Ronaldo didn’t play nearly as much as Messi. Whereas both clubs give it their all in CL (the biggest competition) and one seems to come out in top in the grandest of stage.

This kind of bullshit grates on me big time. Ronaldo's scoring form in the CL over the past few seasons has been nothing short of sensational and he's been integral in Madrid's incredible CL run under Zidane, but he has never carried that Madrid side, never. They've built one of the best teams of the past 30 years, got world class quality all over the pitch. The likes of Marcelo, Carvajal, Modric, Ramos, Benzema, Kroos and Bale have all stepped up when required in Europe, and Isco was arguably Madrid's best player throughout last years triumph. It's the same with Messi between 2009 and 2011, he was their best player but that side could pass anyone to death. Xavi, Busquets and Iniesta gave Messi that platform to go and wreck havoc in the final third.

It's fecking sickening the lengths some of you go to just to prove a point here. Ronaldo's exactly what Buffon described - an assassin up front. You put chances into the area for him and there is no one better at getting on the end of them. He's lethal, but he's not the kind of player who can pick up an underperforming team and carry them on his back. This is exactly the opposite to what Messi has done for Barcelona in the league over the past two seasons, the performance at the Bernabeu in April last year just embodied that. If he has an off day Barcelona look poor, if Ronaldo has an off day chances are one of their creative players will produce something spectacular.

 

[Peyroteo]

This kind of bullshit grates on me big time. Ronaldo's scoring form in the CL over the past few seasons has been nothing short of sensational and he's been integral in Madrid's incredible CL run under Zidane, but he has never carried that Madrid side, never. They've built one of the best teams of the past 30 years, got world class quality all over the pitch. The likes of Marcelo, Carvajal, Modric, Ramos, Benzema, Kroos and Bale have all stepped up when required in Europe, and Isco was arguably Madrid's best player throughout last years triumph. It's the same with Messi between 2009 and 2011, he was their best player but that side could pass anyone to death. Xavi, Busquets and Iniesta gave Messi that platform to go and wreck havoc in the final third.

It's fecking sickening the lengths some of you go to just to prove a point here. Ronaldo's exactly what Buffon described - an assassin up front. You put chances into the area for him and there is no one better at getting on the end of them. He's lethal, but he's not the kind of player who can pick up an underperforming team and carry them on his back. This is exactly the opposite to what Messi has done for Barcelona in the league over the past two seasons, the performance at the Bernabeu in April last year just embodied that. If he has an off day Barcelona look poor, if Ronaldo has an off day chances are one of their creative players will produce something spectacular.

Did you watch the Juve matches? Was the midfield great too? Were they dominating PSG when Ronaldo scored? Last year the midfield had great games but this year? It's been a mess in pretty much every game besides the PSG away game.

They were getting dominated for the first few minutes of last year's CL final, Ronaldo scores. PSG were playing better looking for a second away goal, Ronaldo scores. Juve this year completely on top looking at equalizing the game at home.... Ronaldo scores. And don't give me shit that it was Carvajal's crossing that was genius or some other bullshit... If Ronaldo doesn't show up Madrid have absolutely no chance of going through. Zero.

Claiming Isco was the best Real Madrid player in last year's Champions League win is completely and utterly ridiculous. It's insane the lengths some people here go to to discredit everything Ronaldo does. Ronaldo's teammates on current form are not even close to Messi's teammates in 2009 or 2011.

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

It is funny that you suggest Messi only performs against smaller teams and not against the best.

He has more goals than Ronaldo against the best English teams, and more assists. All whilst not even playing in England.

Messi has 28 goals in 32 final appearances.

Ronaldo has 18 goals in 25 final appearances. It is a myth that Messi is poor in big games.

People in the Ronaldo camp seem to only like to remember the last 3 seasons in the CL. Whilst everything before that is easily forgotten.

So scoring less, assisting less, winning less, and getting destoyed by Roma, Juve, Bayern, PSG and Ateltico in the last years makes him perform better than Ronaldo, who has destroyed all that teams also in the last years?

Messi literally disappears in almost all the important matches in the KO stages of UCL.

That why he has failed to get his team past quarterfinals 4 of the last 5 years. And also it is why they have won only 1 UCL in the last 7 years.

Messi only performed in the KO stages when he had Xavi/Iniesta/Busquets trio in his team. Since Xavi wen out and Iniesta aged, he hasn't be the same in the tournament. That is a fact.

It’s not how you start but how you finish. And it’s pretty evident Messi has been reliant on a system / other players, @ the bolded. Wonder why he doesn’t have as much success internationally or currently at the club level as he used to before...

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

This kind of bullshit grates on me big time. Ronaldo's scoring form in the CL over the past few seasons has been nothing short of sensational and he's been integral in Madrid's incredible CL run under Zidane, but he has never carried that Madrid side, never. They've built one of the best teams of the past 30 years, got world class quality all over the pitch. The likes of Marcelo, Carvajal, Modric, Ramos, Benzema, Kroos and Bale have all stepped up when required in Europe, and Isco was arguably Madrid's best player throughout last years triumph. It's the same with Messi between 2009 and 2011, he was their best player but that side could pass anyone to death. Xavi, Busquets and Iniesta gave Messi that platform to go and wreck havoc in the final third.

It's fecking sickening the lengths some of you go to just to prove a point here. Ronaldo's exactly what Buffon described - an assassin up front. You put chances into the area for him and there is no one better at getting on the end of them. He's lethal, but he's not the kind of player who can pick up an underperforming team and carry them on his back. This is exactly the opposite to what Messi has done for Barcelona in the league over the past two seasons, the performance at the Bernabeu in April last year just embodied that. If he has an off day Barcelona look poor, if Ronaldo has an off day chances are one of their creative players will produce something spectacular.

Except 09-11 when Barca were on top of the world Ronaldo stilled carried his fair shair of weight for Madrid. Difference is now Messi doesn’t even do that in big games yet gets a free pass and exonerated of any blame.

I don’t get where this silly notion came from that Barca have some MLS quality side incapable of winning anything when they’re still a top5 club in the world and 10+ points clear in La Liga.

Wasn’t all the talk at the beginning of the year when Madrid were starting slow that they’re going to walk La Liga and go further than Madrid in the CL and how they’ve turned it around and back to being ahead of RM and Ronaldo’s done? They also have a better goals against + goals for and from what I recall, Barca fans were saying they had the better starters having heard them say,


Messi > Ronaldo
Suarez > Benzema
Coutinho > Isco
Ter Stegan > Navas
Busquets > Casemiro
Umtiti > Varane
Pique > Ramos
Dembele > Bale
Alba > Marcelo.


Odd how that’s changed isn’t it since Messi no-showed and it somehow became an instant excuse for him/them. I don’t recall any of this to begin the year with, the whole Ronaldo has an infinitely better team than Messi does...funny how that works...

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

Did you watch the Juve matches? Was the midfield great too? Were they dominating PSG when Ronaldo scored? Last year the midfield had great games but this year? It's been a mess in pretty much every game besides the PSG away game.

They were getting dominated for the first few minutes of last year's CL final, Ronaldo scores. PSG were playing better looking for a second away goal, Ronaldo scores. Juve this year completely on top looking at equalizing the game at home.... Ronaldo scores. And don't give me shit that it was Carvajal's crossing that was genius or some other bullshit... If Ronaldo doesn't show up Madrid have absolutely no chance of going through. Zero.

Claiming Isco was the best Real Madrid player in last year's Champions League win is completely and utterly ridiculous. It's insane the lengths some people here go to to discredit absolutely everything Ronaldo does. Ronaldo's teammates on current form are not even close to Messi's teammates in 2009 or 2011.

D. E. L. U. S. I. O. N. A. L.

I tell ya!

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

 

[The holy trinity 68]

It’s not how you start but how you finish. And it’s pretty evident Messi has been reliant on a system / other players, @ the bolded. Wonder why he doesn’t have as much success internationally or currently at the club level as he used to before...

It is not just about a good finish, it requires a good start. Hence why Barcelona have ran away with the league. They started great, Real did not.

Also implying Messi is only good because of the ‘system’ is flawed on so many levels.

Barcelona were great under Pep, take Messi out and they don’t win 2 CL finals against United.

When Barca had Enrique, Messi was the best player in a completely different system and they won the treble.

Ronaldo played in the 2008 United side that was the best team in te league with or without him, he played in a great set up just like Messi.

Argentina may not have won any tournaments but Messi was the main reason they got to so many finals. In a totally different system with different players.

Just like Ronaldo got to the final with Portugal. Yes Portugal won it but Ronaldo didn’t feature.

Messi and Ron both got to finals with different teams and systems for their country, and won countless honours for their clubs in different systems with different players.

Your point was pointless.

They are both extraordinary players that would look great in any team. But for me Messi is better. It is not a discredit to Ronaldo, and I do not think there is a massive difference between them. They have different qualities, but I prefer Messi.

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

@The holy trinity 68 fair play to you.

All I’m saying is call a spade a spade. I see something, I call it how it is without letting bias get in the way for the most part.

 

[padr81]

So, about that thing you were saying


...like I’ve said, you and the Messi fanboys can keep telling yourself Messi has been better than Ronaldo all you want. The rest of the world who knows Ronaldo’s been playing at a higher level isn’t dumb. And again, it’s fecking hysterical seeing people like you try to excuse Messi of his CL no-shows and trying to push the league is a bigger accomplishment than the CL hahah.

Enjoy floating in your boat!

What in the honor of christ on a bike are you on about? I said many people were voting for De Bruyne not that he'd win. If you look into my posts you'll see I tipped Salah to win and said it would be merited.
Then you call me a Messi fanboy when I've never excused Messi of anything. You're the one excusing people, a certain Portugese of taking half a season off. In fact your post is 99.9% shite and doesn't have single shred of truth in it. How does Salah winning Premier League Player of the Year tie in anyway to your waffling about the CL? and nowhere have I said that the league is a bigger accomplishment than the CL either?