I see he’s back to being good now that the CL knockouts are over 
Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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Does conversion rate not matter anymore by the way? This season Ronaldo takes less shots per goal, after 5 months of a lot of people here loving that stat now it seems like noone cares about it anymore. What happened to this crap?
Sorry I don't get it, what are their respective shot conversion? Anyone can pull out small time stats like the one above, but what are the actual stats?
31 goals in 34 matches against Sevilla.
One goal, two assits in the final of Copa del Rey (And he wasn't that good, as usually). 28 goals in 27 finals play for FC Barcelona.
Six Copa del Rey title for him. Only 1 left to match the record of player with more Copa Del Rey.
And, in two weeks, a new La Liga title.
One goal, two assits in the final of Copa del Rey (And he wasn't that good, as usually). 28 goals in 27 finals play for FC Barcelona.
Six Copa del Rey title for him. Only 1 left to match the record of player with more Copa Del Rey.
And, in two weeks, a new La Liga title.
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Messi fans trying to make out that the CDR is a major trophy. 
Incredible how someone can actually come to that opinion
Barca join Spartak Moscow, Real Madrid, Betis, Eibar and Atletico as teams to score five against Sevilla this season.
Such a big match!
I don't think many of the Ronaldo groupies have ever played football. That has to be the only explanation.
So, about that thing you were saying
...like I’ve said, you and the Messi fanboys can keep telling yourself Messi has been better than Ronaldo all you want. The rest of the world who knows Ronaldo’s been playing at a higher level isn’t dumb. And again, it’s fecking hysterical seeing people like you try to excuse Messi of his CL no-shows and trying to push the league is a bigger accomplishment than the CL hahah.
Enjoy floating in your boat!
For those in the Ronaldo camp, would Messi winning the world cup change your mind? If he has a stellar tournament and wins it for Argentina being the top scorer and player of the torunament, would you accept him as being the best player in the world then?
If Ronaldo has a tournament like that I will change my stance on Messi and acknowledge Ronaldo as the best. I'm pretty sure he won't as he can't dictate the tempo a game and will need Portugal to play well for him to stand a chance. If he pulls it off though, I'll admit that I'm wrong and put him ahead of Messi.
Would Ronaldo backers do the same or is there nothing Messi can do that would change your mind?
If Ronaldo has a tournament like that I will change my stance on Messi and acknowledge Ronaldo as the best. I'm pretty sure he won't as he can't dictate the tempo a game and will need Portugal to play well for him to stand a chance. If he pulls it off though, I'll admit that I'm wrong and put him ahead of Messi.
Would Ronaldo backers do the same or is there nothing Messi can do that would change your mind?
Actual player of the tournament or like 2014?
If he lights up the WC like Zizou 2006 or something similar of course, he'd have had the better season, though looking at his previous showings it's highly unlikely.
If he lights up the WC like Zizou 2006 or something similar of course, he'd have had the better season, though looking at his previous showings it's highly unlikely.
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"Like 2014"
Rewatch his performances in this cup. People belittle them because of the ridiulous expectations they have. Messi casually dribbled, passed and created chances like few others could. Maybe he was not as good as he usually is for Barcelona but even he in average form is still better than the rest of the bunch it is like it is. His 2014 exemplarily was much, much better than Cristiano's 2016. Nowadays, brillant is not enough for him. He has to be completely outstanding in order to fulfill the expectations. Many of his performances in the WC2014 would have been considered absolute world class if another player had done them. I understand if people rated another player's world cup higher. After all, I think it was a pretty close call between Neymar, Messi and Robben. But pretending as if Messi hadn't had a brillant world cup is just completely irrational.
Yes, but I'm pretty sure the Messi brigade will not change their mind one little bit.
How about the Messi fans over-rate his performances because you lot just love the way he plays, regardless of end product."Like 2014"
I understand if people rated another player's world cup higher. After all, I think it was a pretty close call between Neymar, Messi and Robben. But pretending as if Messi hadn't had a brillant world cup is just completely irrational.
He failed to score a single goal in the knockout stage, Ronaldo played a key role to get Portugal into the final in 2016.
The goal obsession again.
Yeah, such an irrelevant factor in the sport of football.
It is very relevant. But the one who scores it didn't necessarily contribute the most to a goal. He just happens to be the last part in a long chain of plays to put the ball over the line.
I wonder how long we can keep going in circles here
I think that would be stubborn. The WC is still the pinnacle for me, and I’m basing that on what the players/managers say. I think Ronaldo’s euros was awesome (though IMO he didn’t have the best tournament overall quality wise) but in international football winning the euros is probably somewhere in between winning the Europa league and the champions league in terms of prestige, fantastic achievement but not career defining.
If ronaldo were to carry Portugal to a World Cup win I would revise my opinion 100% (Id probably feel the same if he finished runner up but had an amazing tournament)
Id still enjoy the aesthetics of messi more but simply couldn’t deny that winning that trophy is enough to just say “yep, he’s the best now”.
Fair enough, but I'm sure there will be a significant portion who'd still come up with things like "So what he scored 8 goals in the WC, he didn't dribble enough." or something similar.
Yeah but you’re adult enough to know that those opinions don’t matter in the grand scheme of things.
Depends on the way he plays. If he scores these goals in his typical fashion, as a fox in the box with brillant finishes, then no, this won't convince me. He would need to be much more influential than that.
So as long as he plays the way he plays, I won't change my mind. It doesn't matter if he wins more titles or not because both players have limited influences on these things.
Playmaking > goal scoring. And Messi is as good in the first as it gets while still being among the best goal scorers the game has ever seen. Ronaldo on the other hand is an average playmaker at best. But someone who thinks Ronaldo's performances against Munich or Atletico were better than Messi's against City or Bayern won't understand this
Messi puts Argentina through group stage, assists Di Maria vs Switzerland, creates Higuain's chance from a 1vs3 situation in midfield, spends the whole tournament dribbling past rivals, "not a deserved tournament MVP".
Zidane draws vs Switzerland, S.Korea and beats Togo to go through as 2nd, scores 2 penalties, has a great game vs Brazil "lit up the tournament".
The day you people start watching the games instead of talking back the echoes of sport newspapers...
Regardless of who's better, Messi is getting more money for his efforts this season. 126 million vs Ronaldo's 96 million.
fecking insane.
Also this.
Scoreboard journalism we call this in Holland. Football is more than stats / goals.
fecking insane.
Also this.
Scoreboard journalism we call this in Holland. Football is more than stats / goals.
Ronaldo was a no show from August to Christmas. Messi has been consistent the whole season, which is why Barca are miles ahead of Real in the league.
Messi and Barca are on the verge of the domestic double, which requires consistency.
If Real and Ron win the CL then they have only had to perform in 4 games more than Barca in the CL.
At this present moment Messi has been better, because he has led his team to LL and the CDR. As it stand Ronaldo has led his team to zero honours. They may even get knocked out by Bayern.
If Ron has been at another level to Messi, then where was he in the first half of the season?
People like you easily forget the first 20 odd games of the season for Ronaldo, but don’t forget one game in the CL where Messi didn’t step up.
Yes. He doesn’t even have to win it, if he has an historically great World Cup up there with the greatest in history and Ronaldo fails then it’s probably enough.
The bitterness in that comment is borderline unhealthy.
No, it's not. We only have this discussion because the media and Ronaldo supporters moved the goal posts in order to create this rivalry. Goal scorers were never considered the best players in the game up until this debate got reduced to Messi's and Ronaldo's scoring records. There is a reason why Ronaldo is the only player of his type mentioned in "Top 10 All-Time Greats" lists.
It's just so superficial. Some of you are like children who watch football for the first time and believe that the one who scores the goal is automatically the best player on the pitch in total disregard of what his team mates contributed.
"Like 2014"
I understand if people rated another player's world cup higher. After all, I think it was a pretty close call between Neymar, Messi and Robben. But pretending as if Messi hadn't had a brillant world cup is just completely irrational.
Bullshit. He was nothing special at all, couldn’t care less how many dribbles he made if they led to nothing.
Plenty of players had a better World Cup. Neuer, Robben, Neymar, James, Mascherano, etc. Messi even looked completely embarrassed while he was getting the award.
And Zidane didn’t deserve it in 2006 either
Well, my point proven in the very next post...
Depends on the way he plays. If he scores these goals in his typical fashion, as a fox in the box with brillant finishes, then no, this won't convince me. He would need to be much more influential than that.
So as long as he plays the way he plays, I won't change my mind. It doesn't matter if he wins more titles or not because both players have limited influences on these things.
Playmaking > goal scoring. And Messi is as good in the first as it gets while still being among the best goal scorers the game has ever seen. Ronaldo on the other hand is an average playmaker at best. But someone who thinks Ronaldo's performances against Munich or Atletico were better than Messi's against City or Bayern won't understand this
I think some people just don't get it about Ronaldo. He is on people's all time top 10 lists because he is one of the 10 best (probably 5 best) players of all time. Throughout his career he's not been just a goalscorer. At United there is no way you'd ever categorize him as just that yet he still won a Ballon d'or playing for us in the style he had back then. Bottom line is that Real Madrid needed a goalscorer so that's what he became - possibly the best there's ever been.
Playmaking > goal scoring. And Messi is as good in the first as it gets while still being among the best goal scorers the game has ever seen. Ronaldo on the other hand is an average playmaker at best. But someone who thinks Ronaldo's performances against Munich or Atletico were better than Messi's against City or Bayern won't understand this
If during the City game instead of having 4 or 5 dribbles, Messi scores the 2 big chances he missed, Barcelona would have won by more, he’d have done more for his team and you’d be less impressed.
All because you follow a stupid concept of playmaking > goalscoring as if that’s how football works.
For 2015-16 and 2016-17 Messi wasn’t even the best playmaker in Barcelona... plenty of players create more.
Ronaldo’s better because he’s outperformed Messi in the Champions League and internationally, not because he scores more goals overall.
Shock horror that the biggest trophies are decided over a few games. Did anyone tell Maradona he only performed for 7 games in 1986?
The greatest footballer of all time is also the greatest goalscorer of all time. Trying to punch above your weight but falling way short over here, kiddo.
As with most Messi fans, you come across with unrivalled levels of insecurity in your constant efforts to undermine the achievements of his counterpart. I couldn't care less about who is considered the better player, but that trait runs strongly among the Messi fanbase and it is cringeworthy to say the least.
Pele wasn't a goal scorer?
Below average playmaker.
Only gets assists because he plays close to goal which is why all the other players are strikers.
Probably not enough through balls in that though and everyone knows goals only count after a through ball has been played.
That's it in a nutshell to be honest and probably the only reason I bother to even post in this thread. Most Ronaldo fans see how great Messi is and will tell you "one of the best ever." The majority of Messi fans however will spend half the time telling you how great Leo is BUT the other half trying to undermine the achievements of Ronaldo. It's almost like "how dare Ronaldo be in the conversation with our blessed Lionel as to who is the best." Borderline unhealthy - exactly right!
People accusing Messi fans of being shite in this thread is hilarious. There are morons on both sides, as with everything fan related.
Myself not included ofcourse, I'm the epitome of objective, rational debate.
That's why I think Arjen Robben is much better than both Messi and Ronaldo. He's just underrated, because he went bald at an early age. And everyone knows FIFA is prejudiced towards baldies.
Myself not included ofcourse, I'm the epitome of objective, rational debate.
That's why I think Arjen Robben is much better than both Messi and Ronaldo. He's just underrated, because he went bald at an early age. And everyone knows FIFA is prejudiced towards baldies.
There are but it's really rare to find anybody that says Messi isn't great whereas there's an awful lot of Messi fans out there who will try and tell you that Ronaldo isn't.
Arjen Robben - great player btw. He'd have been at United if it wasn't for that snake Kenyon. He could have been the second best baldy to have played at OT.
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