I mean even if you think Ronaldo is better, I don't see how anyone could argue Barcelona have a stronger team.
Odd to me.
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I mean even if you think Ronaldo is better, I don't see how anyone could argue Barcelona have a stronger team.
Odd to me.
There's still a ways to go but it's looking increasingly like Madrid win another Champions League and Ronaldo get's close to 50 goals for the season and beating his Champions League goals record. He's also looking preserved and fresh enough to have a good World Cup. As has been mentioned Zidane has managed him expertly whereas Barca have once again overworked Messi who'll likely have little impact at the World Cup IMO. That scenario would basically guarantee the Balon D'Or for Ronaldo for the 5th time in 6 years (the most dominant spell ever) and I think based on facts makes him the greater overall player.
Messi is the more aesthetically pleasing player and I realize he definitely gets better press but when you factor in Ronaldo was so great in England (at that time far and away the best League), has a far more impressive International career and his brutal effectiveness and Champions League record it's just getting harder and harder to go against Ronaldo. If Ronaldo does the above I think the debate is closed unless Messi does something dramatic like wins the World Cup or goes on to tear England up or wins 2 or 3 Champions League's as the talisman basically back to back.
Messi is the more aesthetically pleasing player and I realize he definitely gets better press but when you factor in Ronaldo was so great in England (at that time far and away the best League), has a far more impressive International career and his brutal effectiveness and Champions League record it's just getting harder and harder to go against Ronaldo. If Ronaldo does the above I think the debate is closed unless Messi does something dramatic like wins the World Cup or goes on to tear England up or wins 2 or 3 Champions League's as the talisman basically back to back.
Yes but I mentioned another instance in my main post. I mentioned tonights game to you because thats what was brought up.
Aguero is awful for Argentina.
The fact that people point to him a plus for Argentina boggles the mind at this point.
He has been awful for Argentina for years now.
So just ok defense and midfield for both Argentina and Portugal.
@ the bolded is an aspect we’re talking about. Ronaldo is arguably the best big game player in history. And if people want to dismiss that or not make it a big deal then by all means do so. Ronaldo is a difference maker when it matters most.
Would you rather Postiga or Andre Silva or Eder to Aguero? No? didn't think so. That is why that point matters.
Germany are irrelevant because two teams go through from the groups therefore Portugal's direct rivals for qualification were USA and Ghana.
You're seriously arguing that USA are better than "shitty" Portugal. "Shitty Portugal" who went and won the Euro's at the next tournament?
Oh, and you wanna use the rankings? Portugal are ranked higher than Argentina yet you're the one telling us how Ronaldo would've won the World Cup with Argentina rather than his shitty national teammates.
Unreal.
You mean the player of the tournament was OK at best?. That he only scored all his goals in the games Argentina would've lost or drawn, leaving them out of the WC in group stage? That he was the one assisting Di Maria vs Switzerland? Or that he also more than played his part in the goal vs Belgium?
The football fan amnesia is strong in this debate. Messi around 2008-2012 was in a league Ronaldo, and possibly no footballer ever has ever entered.
Portugal awful defense. Did you just try to say that Pepe alone gives Portugal a good defense ? give me a break. As for midfield NOW you can say its "equal" but for a majority of their careers Messi has had the Luxury and Messi has and always had a much better offense, Thank you check please.
He may have became a bigger clutch player in the last 3 years, but no way was he before that. We can’t just forget Messi’s big game performances in the past. Like I said, most people remember the present moment and like to ignore the past.
Rankings change year to year just so you know. 2014 won’t be the same as now or 2 years ago.
I didn't say Argentina were awful(though after that 6-1 pasting they got vs Spain, I think calling them a great side is laughable).
I said Aguero is awful for Argentina and I doubt any Argentinians on here would disagree.
You're cherry picking players to suit your argument.
What about Pepe? He's better than any Argentine defender. Moutinho and Bernardo Silva are better midfielders than any Argentina mid.
See, it works both ways.
Has history started in 2016 or how exactly has he been that over his whole career?
Roma proved tonight the team with the better players doesn't always win. Look what Leicester achieved in 2016.
Portugal just don't look disjointed like Argentina do and it's nothing to do with Messi and Ronaldo.
Nah mate, that award was bullshit and was widely mocked because of it.You mean the player of the tournament was OK at best?. That he only scored all his goals in the games Argentina would've lost or drawn, leaving them out of the WC in group stage? That he was the one assisting Di Maria vs Switzerland? Or that he also more than played his part in the goal vs Belgium?
Messi has a few other awards you can focus on!
Check? What?
Portugal defense isn't awaful and you don't need to underrate your own team just to biggie up Ronaldo some more.
Don't know about that luxurious midfield Messi had over the years in Argentina. Maybe you can fill me in.
Are you saying Pepe alone makes Portugal defense better then Argentina? lol. Are you saying Argentina have less quality then Portugal .
Rankings change year to year just so you know. 2014 won’t be the same as now or 2 years ago.
But you stated that Ronaldo would win the WC if he was Argentine rather than Portuguese. You also stated that USA beating Portugal is fine because USA were ranked higher. Therefore, it's safe to assume that you judge how good international teams are based on their ranking, so I ask why do you think Ronaldo would win the WC with Argentina's team but not Portugal's given Portugal are obviously better in your eyes.
Are you saying Pepe alone makes Portugal defense better then Argentina? lol. Are you saying Argentina have less quality then Portugal .
No, I didn't say any of those things.
Quick question for Cal and all the other pro Ronaldo guys. If Messi wins the WC with Argentina this sunmer will you then change your mind over who is better? Because a lot of you are using the “but messi hasn't won anything for Argentina”.
Ronaldo would show up and bag in goals (carry his weight) even when Madrid were worse and results would be losses. Yet he got blamed.
Messi doesn’t show up (doesn’t carry his weight) when his teams lose. Doesn’t get an ounce of blame.
I’m just saying.
Surely one much better then fecking Raul Meirles and Veloso as starters. Also our defense is in fact horrible check out the Portuguese thread to see what we all say.Check? What?
Portugal defense isn't awaful and you don't need to underrate your own team just to biggie up Ronaldo some more.
Don't know about that luxurious midfield Messi had over the years in Argentina. Maybe you can fill me in.
They'll say yes because they know there's absolutely no way Argentina are winning the World Cup so they don't need to worry about being hypocrites.
Well wouldn't he be tied with Ronnie because he has also won something for Portugal ?
Then this debate about team quality is over.
They may say yes just for the reason you stated, but it would be interesting to hear their honest opinions. Because it would be extremely difficult to argue otherwise, even if Messi doesn’t do that much on the way to winning it. Similar to Ron and the Euro.
Doesn’t really matter does it? Because if he doesn’t, then it wasn’t a big deal anyways as they’ve said and continue to say to excuse Messi...
The Euro is no where near as prestigious as the WC. Poland Croatia and Wales en route to the final is completely different to the teams they would play en route to the CL final.
As I said then it would be tied. Then its where Champions league would come into place as the tie breaker. Among others.
Interesting I can't remember Ronaldo scoring when his team was eliminated in '09, '11, '13 and he missed his PK in '12.
Looks like your opinion is totally baseless and made up.
Its not but its more prestigious then say the Copa America. Also the possibility are skewed because Messi has always has the better chance to win the World Cup because he plays on a far superior team all his career.
Probably going to leave this debate soon, because some of their arguments are ridiculously laughable.
At least Cal provides quite an insightful if somewhat stubborn opinion.
Yeah, the Charisteas brigade should start asking for his inclusion into the top 10 ever, after leading Greece to continental domination.
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