Like he choked against us in the finals.
Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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Messi isn't fresh enough in the last part of the season for several years now. Ronaldo had the same problem but Zidane is managing him better now.
Nah, people are putting Ronald ahead of Messi because he has TOTAL DOMINION in the MOST DIFFICULT COMPETITION IN THE SPORT'S HISTORY.
Messi's fans will keep trying to avoid this fact but, as tonight shows, it'll be clear whose better by the time they both hang up their boots.
When one player dominates Europe's best and the other dominates the likes of Leganes, the winner is clear. Well, it well it be in a few years time.
Hard work > Talent. All day, every day. There's historical precedence for this, beyond football.
Interesting you say that considering you just said Barca team is soooo inferior no?
Well, if Messi scores no goal he usually still has an enormous impact on the game due to him being such a creative force. Ronaldo though..
But it is silly in both directions, that is correct. It didn't make Cristiano a worse player that he was in a far inferior squad in his first four to five Madrid years and thus never won big trophies in that time. As I said, I believe it is ridiculous to judge individuals on the performances of their teams.
I mean, Madrid with Messi instead of Ronaldo would most likely still be the best team around just like Pep's Barca with Ronaldo instead of Messi would also be a behemoth.
After all, a player has not that much influence on the decisions of the management, the tactics, the performances of his team mates and so on. You need to be lucky to win titles since you cannot do it without a proper team. I feel like this has been the case for Cristiano in his early years at Madrid (although he was a better player back then) and it is now for Messi at Barcelona who is still comfortably the best player in the world if you ask me.
Why's that?Barca's team is inferior. The difference is Messi. That's my point!
Or like he beat you in another final? among countless other knockout tournaments oh ya. DID Ronaldo quit on his country? don't worry ill wait bro.
Depends if Ronaldo wins CL this year for me. I would have never seen CL domination on this level in my lifetime. 5 CL's with 3 back to back, plus Ronaldo having major international trophy. Then it would be 9-5 to Messi in top tier league titles with minimal contribution by in Messi in the first 2.
Is that what you think? Because if so, I am not sure anyone can argue that seriously. The man in the 2009, 2011, 2015 finals, numerous wonder goals in Copa del Rey finals plus decisive league performances the last of which was only few weeks back to Atlético with another winner and the one against Real at the Bernabeu back in December. Seriously?
There's evidence to suggest it's not the case because he's never played anywhere else.
Messi would win POTY in England too.
It's a daft argument to bring up, imo.
Are you sure you're objective on the subject?
The way Messi and Barcelona have managed his season has been completely stupid. Look how many minutes he's played compared to other great players, what's the need to have him constantly play 90 minutes against the likes of Eibar at home? So he can score a few more goals?
Barcelona are often up by 2 or 3 goals with 30 minutes to play and he rarely goes off to get some rest
Barcelona are often up by 2 or 3 goals with 30 minutes to play and he rarely goes off to get some rest
Such a difference that he couldn't show up in 2 legs? vs Roma ? let me put it too you simple. Ronaldo in Barca they are still top of the league this season. Ronaldo in Barca they are not knocked out by Roma.
Flip-flop, flip-flop, flip-flop
I don't get the point you're trying to make?
Difference is it wasn’t an excuse for him. He still got his fair shair of blame EVEN though he pulled his weight and then some at the expense of the team’s failures.
Messi however? Oh, he’s allowed to not pull his weight, be a no show such as these 2 legs, and all on top be excused since it’s his team right? Right. Gimme a break hahaha
Messi in Real and Real would be on course for the treble.
The CL is simply difficult to use as a barometer here. The culture at Real is really different to anywhere else, Milan are probably the closest in terms of how they treat the CL. We are talking about a club who won the league title in the same year they did the CL once since the '50s. We cannot ignore that when analysing their performances and Ronaldo's. They simply arrive to that March/April period fresher and sharper than most normal top teams most of the time. Ronaldo's performances in the big CL games easily makes him one of the best players ever and his run last year was probably the best ever, but we cannot just ignore how they cherry pick their best performances over the season.
Messi plays 30 yards deeper and doesn't have the luxury of waiting for service to come to him
He has to make most of the plays for his team
I don't really see how you can take anything away from the Barca game and say Ronaldo is better because Messi didn't score or whatever
Barca have been average for a couple of years now and doesn't look like changing any time soon
He has to make most of the plays for his team
I don't really see how you can take anything away from the Barca game and say Ronaldo is better because Messi didn't score or whatever
Barca have been average for a couple of years now and doesn't look like changing any time soon
LOL. That is a fecking lie. I'd love for other Ronaldo stans to weigh in on this, actually.
Messi is by far the most creative player at Barca. Ronaldo needs creative players in order to flourish. He'd be wasted at a Barca-less Messi. And besides, Barca are only top because of Messi.
You don't honestly think that Messi playing with Kroos, Modric, Isco, Asensio, Casemiro, Marcelo, Ramos et al is sitting 4th in the league, do you? They'd be absolutely cruising at the top.
I highly disagree considering he couldn't even show up in 2 legs vs Roma. Also Argentina would disagree. You simply cant compare One is the GOAT the other is the second best of his generation.
Messi record for Argentina disproves that completely he is a style based player and simply can not show up for Argentina. Same way he wouldn't outside of Barca
Think its a little bit early to put Messi at number one since Maradona and Pele have also many things speaking for them. Agree with the Ronaldo part, though. Definitely second best of his generation.
Argentina have a very low win % without Messi
He has been their most important and best player over the last 10 or so years
LMAO how about Messi win something for his country first bud.
Ronaldo in Argentina, Messi in Portugal
...Ronaldo would have won the WC by now, Messi would still have international failures and quit earlier on if anything.
FACT. Ronaldo would only dream of having the players Argentina have.
Really like your nice, objective posts.
Haters gonna hate. Of course some people criticized Ronaldo for it although he scored for fun. But it wasn't rational and you know that. But now you behave in the same way? Doesn't that make you a simple Messi hater just like those who were too criticical with Ronaldo were?
Yeah, all those great Argentinian defenders and midfielders. One better than the other.
Do you have any actually opinions to post? or are you just so far up Messi Arse.
No, because I argued in another post that Ronaldo is better in the CL and slightly ahead for their national teams. His record for United is just further proof that Ronaldo can hack it in the toughest leagues better than Messi.
Argentina are shit. Literally.
He does show up for them, though, that's another lie. Does he play to the same level he does at Barca? No, but I already said earlier (and you agreed) that Messi and Ronaldo need other top players to bring out their greatness. There's no player at Argentina who's as good as guys like Suarez, Busquets, Alba.
Pot, kettle black.
I see you're so far up Ronald's Arse you can't see any light mate.
Lmao ok buddy lets compare Otamendi to Fonte Argentina midfield compared to Portugal and lets not even talk about forwards. Watch Football for once and try to understand it before you say something so stupid.
I kinda agree with the crux of this post. Just like Barca should be heavily criticised for their CL campaign, so should Real for their league campaign.
But there's literally no evidence to suggest that because Messi has never played in any other league.
If they'd both played in the league and Ronaldo had done better in it then yeah, but that isn't the case.
It's akin to saying Messi has done better in the South American qualifiers than Ronaldo ever has.
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