The international football argument isn't to compare Luca Toni and Messi
its to compare the GOATs.. Messi with Diego, with Pelé etc. its the way it is
Messi retires from Argentina.
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The international football argument isn't to compare Luca Toni and Messi
its to compare the GOATs.. Messi with Diego, with Pelé etc. its the way it is
Well Adidas aren't going to be happy. They've just lost their Russia-18 poster boy!
Something tells me he just wants a year off internationals and will be back in time for the next World Cup.
Something tells me he just wants a year off internationals and will be back in time for the next World Cup.
Reports suggest Mascherano and Aguero are both set to announce retirements.
You are about an hour behind.
Oopsie. Didnt do google. I just got a msg from a mate and thought they were rumours.
Now I fully get you and I agree. It's a team game and for once someone other than Messi could step up and deliver something for them, they were too reliant on him and put way too much weight onto his shoulders. What I'm getting at is that he decided to quit at a very inconvenient momenr, he's still way too young and there are only two years until next tournament.
And it's a completely flawed way of looking at it.
Zidane and Iniesta are considered some of the greatest ever and they won a World Cup. Messi hasn't. Ronaldo hasn't. Cruyff hasn't. Those 3 guys I mentioned are clearly superior footballers to the first two.
And like I say, club football is clearly the pinnacle of the sport now due to the strength of club sides and the finances available. For Messi to have been dominant at that level and in the Champions League, isn't he due some kind of credit that the older guys get for their success/dominance in the pinnacle of their era?
The Copa final was an heartbreak for him, for his country and for his fans. But i believe that this is a heat of the moment decision and that he will reconsider it. He will surely want to finish on a high note.
However, today i was happy to see him missing the penalty as i was supporting the underdogs, Chile. Messi was trying to cheat with his theatrics, he could have got a second yellow for play-acting. He also tried to cheat by moving the ball forward for a good couple of steps from the actual position to get a better angle for the last free kick of the match. So the penalty miss was an instant karma for him.
However, today i was happy to see him missing the penalty as i was supporting the underdogs, Chile. Messi was trying to cheat with his theatrics, he could have got a second yellow for play-acting. He also tried to cheat by moving the ball forward for a good couple of steps from the actual position to get a better angle for the last free kick of the match. So the penalty miss was an instant karma for him.
No need to Google, was on first or second page of this thread.
That's no longer a retirement but a meltdown.
People saying that quitting the NT will affect his GOAT status forgets that whether you play for 12 years or 15 years has no relevance whatsoever on how good you have been as a footballer..
Messi lost one WC final in OT and two Copa's on penalties. Would he have become the undisputed GOAT if Götze would have hit the post and Aguero scored the winner? Would he become a better player if Romero saved every single penalty in both CA finals? I kinda doubt it...
Messi lost one WC final in OT and two Copa's on penalties. Would he have become the undisputed GOAT if Götze would have hit the post and Aguero scored the winner? Would he become a better player if Romero saved every single penalty in both CA finals? I kinda doubt it...
That is not the point. He still has a lot to offer but decided to quit because the squad is not has good as Barcelona.
I bet he's back and makes himself available once they qualify for Russia.
Yeah man, they clearly are better. But when there isn't a clear better player like Messi or Maradona that's when you bring up the argument..
Who's better : Zico or Ronaldo? They are on the same level, but every brazilian will answer Ronaldo because he didn't bottle in the WC
World Cup is massive. I'm not trying to be a cnut but maybe you just don't feel it the same way since you're scottish and you look at it as more of a spectator.
The Argentinan players are over-reacting. Messi, Aguero and Mascherano should have a word with experts of the field like Stevie G.
Doesn't but having won an international does make your CV look better than without it. Also some might argue that his trophies with Barca is because the team was the best and that he couldn't do it for another team Silly argument but it's there.
Rumblings that Di Maria and Higuain also plan to retire from the NT.
Really said stuff.
It's a pity there will be clowns using this as a stick to beat him with. As if leading to Argentina to 3 successive finals is an easy feat. The greatest player of all time and by a huge fecking distance.
Hope he reconsiders this and wins the next WC to shut up the idiots.
It's a pity there will be clowns using this as a stick to beat him with. As if leading to Argentina to 3 successive finals is an easy feat. The greatest player of all time and by a huge fecking distance.
Hope he reconsiders this and wins the next WC to shut up the idiots.
Official: Every Argentina player admits that their retirements were a prank and are busy training for Russia.
Just after a defeat is a terrible time to be making such an important decision.
So 5 players retiring? Definitely a power play of some sort.
that's flawed as feck. what if Messi was born in Ireland? In Slovakia? In Gibraltor?
this is pure B.S. Pele played on the greatest national teams of all time, with 10 other people whose names live on.
Who the feck has Messi played with? Higuaine? Rojo? Otamendi?
this whole win a World Cup or not be GOAT is silly.
I totally get you, but like I say, why bring up the World Cup as the decider between the two and not Champions League?
For example, do you think, based purely on difficulty and standard of opposition, that Messi's dominance and winning of the CL is a lesser achievement or says less about his footballing ability than Maradona in 86 or Pele in 58, 62 or 70 (hope i got the years right)? I get that the prize of the World Cup is the ultimate and nothing can top the feeling of winning it but when you're in the World Cup you can be facing some truly awful teams (like Scotland!) because national teams don't have the luxury of going out and spending hundreds of millions making their team a super force the way club teams can do. You're basically stuck with whatever talent your country produces. And in some players cases like Best you're unlucky you born in the wrong country and thus international success was never a legit possibility. I just think the actual standard of club football now is far greater than at any time previously either club or internationally. There's just so many great teams. Barca, Real, Bayern, The English teams, Atletico, Celtic, Juve and others. To consistently shine in that era is so impressive to me. Whereas, say Portugal win the Euro's and CR cements his legacy as an all time great. He'll have done it facing the likes of Iceland, Austria and Hungary. I would argue with people that his achievements for Real Madrid are what would have actually cemented his legacy as an all time great and not this.
edit: and being Scottish, we're never spectators. We're life long fans of whoever England is playing!
If Higuan retires then Messi should immediately unretire.
Messi shits on Maradona when it comes to club football. But we can't talk about that, oh no
Stop looking at this through Brazil colored eyeglasses. Just because your country ranks World Cup above UCL, doesn't mean the rest of us do.
Messi have 4 UCL titles. that's GOAT.
Argentina clearly inspired by the Labour revolt
Christ. Some of the posts in here are incredibly harsh. Quitting international football at 29 after having an injury hit season isn't that shocking. What age did Scholes retire from England?
However I do think he will come back to the international team along with Aguero.
However I do think he will come back to the international team along with Aguero.
I'm talking through the eyes of Argentinians also. The weight of playing a world cup game is way higher, the stakes are completely different. If you feck up, you might not have another chance in your life. Just ask Messi if he trades 2 of his UCLs for 1 world cup to his argentinan people, avid for a title for 24 years.. I bet my arm he accepts
His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy, there's vomit on his jersey already, mum's spaghetti. He's choking how? Everybody's joking now the clock's run out, time's up, over, blaow.
You got to be kidding. Portugal would also have faced against England, Spain and Germany, two of which are considered the best international teams in the world at this moment. So if Portugal do win the Euros, it will be a great achievement.Whereas, say Portugal win the Euro's and CR cements his legacy as an all time great. He'll have done it facing the likes of Iceland, Austria and Hungary. I would argue with people that his achievements for Real Madrid are what would have actually cemented his legacy as an all time great and not this.
edit: and being Scottish, we're never spectators. We're life long fans of whoever England is playing!
bullshit. why is Higuine still playing after the last final? why didn't the England squad change through the 2000s with the same players going out the same way?
This whole "too much pressure" is nonsense.
It's a collection of players who barely play together thrown out in strange stadiums with subpar managers putting out medicore tactics.
If National football is so damn prestigious, why are Jose and Pep managing club teams?
This is 1950s talk you are spewing. National football is simply a means for FIFA to fleece poor countries. It's a racket. It offers very little in terms of play, excitement, and tactics.
Heck, you had LVG looking like genius with dull 3-5-2 and winning on penalties.
It's a joke. Accept it.
This.
I find it funny how the difference between him becoming GOAT or not, as per people, is based on actions that weren't his. So had Higuain scored the one on one chance vs Germany, Messi would be GOAT but since he missed, Messi's legacy suffers? Messi took an average side to 3 finals in 3 years, that surely needs to be a positive thing on his case as GOAT and not a negative because they didn't win any
Still better than Maradona and Pele. It's a good decision. He dragged them to 4 finals bit was unlucky. I imagine the NT is a huge pressure for him. Not worth it anymore.
Just seen the quotes. Reading that, I have no doubt he'll be back for the next WC. He's in shock.
Agreed, people saying WC trophy(or a major trophy for that matter) is a mickey mouse trophy are delusional. It matters for all fans and I am sure for all players. If they all really do retire then they really have lost the plot.
nope.
I'm sure I'm in the tiny minority, but for me World Cup means very little compared to consistently (10+ years) doing it in the Champions League in Europe. You play the best clubs and best players in the world there every season, and the World Cup, as prestigious as it may be, is just a once a in while occassion after a long, tiring season which involves plenty of luck. It's all very small margins as well, had Higuain put away his chance in the 2014 final we would not have this discussion now about Messi being the GOAT or not – no matter how "little" or "big" his influence during the World Cup 2014 was in hindsight.
I don't care about Messi's personal records and even less so about Argentina, but for me there is no one better than Messi and I won't let three lost finals cloud my judgement, but rather watch the genius week in, week out in La Liga and the Champions League.
I don't care about Messi's personal records and even less so about Argentina, but for me there is no one better than Messi and I won't let three lost finals cloud my judgement, but rather watch the genius week in, week out in La Liga and the Champions League.
It really doesn't (anymore). I'd never say it's a Mickey Mouse trophy, but its importance has decreased greatly IMHO.
No but Messi stepping up and not requiring those player to be the difference makes him a better player.
There is no doubt that Messi is in the top 3 of all time. The other two just did it at both club and international level. Messi has struggled to repeat his club performances at international levels.