West Brom, I was there, it was a depressing day...
He had 1 poor game against Southampton sure, but Matic has been tragically bad for months. It’s very frustrating that players seem to get treated differently whether they’re friendly with Mourinho or not.
Why does Matić keeps being mentioned every time Pogba is discussed?
Because perhaps it’s Matic that isn’t helping Pogba? If he had Herrera next to him like in the first season he would be fine. no surprises that since Matic joined it’s gone to shit.
I agree with the Matic point but we were talking about Pogba. Pogba has the ability to affect the whole team with his ability, people look to him to do something when we're in trouble and when he's having a good day he'll flick the ball past someone and play a great forward pass, springing the team into a solid counter attack. He's the pivot between defence and attack. Yet when he can't be arsed, we can't get the ball out, our attacks turn to crap and he loses possession around the edge of the box for holding onto the ball too long.
Sorry but that's just an excuse. Matić played last year also and had a generally good season. Not only that in some games he did the work for 2.
We're not talking about Matic, we know he's been shit for a while but he has a limited job, Pogba is capable of doing much more than he ever will but he choses not to when it suits him. I'd rather sell him if this is how he continues, we've never seen the best of him and he loses value every year his contract runs down, and he will walk on a free (again), he's not fussed about that. We'd be better reinvesting in the squad, getting that lad from Lazio and another from the likes of Dortmund or Leipzig. Pogba is starting to become a myth.
Team setup not getting the best out Pogba? What about all the formation changes made trying to grt the best out of him?
I agree with absolutely everything you said here and share the sentiment. However, are we at the point now where we just sell him and reinvest in other midfielders that will fit the club better or do we fire Jose and get the next manager to build the team around him? What happens then if Pogba decides he doesn't like that setup either? My concern is that it's a dangerous game giving players what they want all the time, we'll end up like Chelsea.
It’s en vogue to back average footballers and run the class ones outta town at United now. Jose is building the new Leicester.
It's impossible to evaluate player on the caf, unless you run a diary of each game, report like. One bad game means a player 'has been wank recently'. String of bad games in one season means he's been poor forever. The fact is Matić has been good last season - v.good in the first half of the season, ok-ish in the second. This season he's been terrible most of the time, though, and Pogba stinking up the place doesn't excuse him. Think it's Mourinho's fault, given how he overworks his key players.
Should be used sparingly like Carrick was in his later seasons. Mourinho's reasoning will be that we don't have any responsible midfielder (on paper) who will sit back and don't get too excited.
I'm sorry if it was misleading, I meant even when we had payers poorer in technical ability as CMs, ( fletcher, park, Carrick just to name a few compared to pogba). If a midfielder isnt going chase players to tackle then who will? Just to watch a magnificent pass for the entirety of game I have to go through his performance for the whole game as he is having, I would rather find YouTube clips more interesting. I don't care if he could score 20 goals a season or get 30 assists in the future per season, at the moment he is detremendet to the team IMO. And this is my own observation of a game. Over the last month, games in which he was involved, we were not showing enough drive for a united team as I have come to expect. Bur it was different in the last two games. There was more intensity in our game. If Matic is doing bad then why isn't Pogba doing more to compensate if he is the second coming of Zidane. Is that excuse to do even worse, that Matic is poor, so will I. We dint buy Matic at 100 million, he wasn't here to lead the team to glory.
I disagree. Mourinho is expecting Pogba to not only be the main creative force but to also dictate the game, all while being positionally disciplined. I think it's too much to ask of him despite his talent when he's got an immobile player alongside him.
Similar to how Kovacic would leave Jorginho exposed in the Chelsea midfield...if they didn't also have the workhorse Kante in there (Herrera). I don't know how to look it up, but I don't think we've played Matic Herrera Pogba together much at all in the past 2 seasons, which is quite obviously our most balanced and experienced midfield.
If you're saying Pogba is the one throwing off the balance, then can you show us how many times Pogba Matic Herrera have played together and some results/stats to back up any issues Pogba has brought to the trio?
