Yes, you also mentioned Bailly called out Maguire for getting picked, Luckhurst mentioned that. I wonder why he didn't mention the players that called out Elanga and Bruno.
I'll tell you why, they are the ones giving Luckhurt the leaks.
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Yes, you also mentioned Bailly called out Maguire for getting picked, Luckhurst mentioned that. I wonder why he didn't mention the players that called out Elanga and Bruno.
I'll tell you why, they are the ones giving Luckhurt the leaks.
I answered to the bolded part, the player that questioned Maguire is supposed to be Bailly. Honestly I don't follow your logic.
Exactly, Maguire was called out by another CB in Bailly, which is mentioned in Luckhurt's piece. Do you follow that logic?
If it was Bailly who called out Elanga, he would have said Bailly called out Maguire and Elanga.
Clearly the players that are calling out Bruno, Elanga are the players feeding Luckhurst the information, which is why he is not name dropping.
Why Name drop Bailly and not the rest then?
The player that has been leaking all season is Lingard.
You'll expect a defence whose under pressure to appreciate Elanga more then Rashford, considering that the former was doing the basic stuff like tracking back and work hard. Also note the comment towards Armas (United brought Rashford and Lingard in with no instructions whatsoever), the comment regarding a player refusing to celebrate a goal and the final comment about certain players deserving to be kicked out rather then being given a contract extension.
Irrespective of that, I think that United need to drive a powerful statement at this squad. This can be done by pushing a popular and powerful figure whose not pulling a shift out of the club. That would put the rest in line. Not to forget that with just 2 years left in Rashy's contract we have to either extend his contract or sell him now. Else we risk another Pogba's situation. I think that we can all agree that Rashford does not deserve a contract extension at this point.
Bailly hasn't been name dropped today. His name was deduced because he was the only fit player, if I remember correctly we had Lindelof and Bailly fit and Maguire coming back from injury, Bailly was the one left out.
It depends entirely on what the player thinks the team need more, it's no different to you and I having potentially two readings of the same situation. Which is why neither of us can claim that the players in question are obvious, you would have to know how they think and how they interpret the game.
Do you think that our players believe that we need someone who walks on the pitch and keep making the same mistakes again and again? That's what Rashford did for most of last season.
Right, so you haven't actually read the article?
"He became such an easy target one teammate flagrantly leaked a story where the reporter's byline effectively gave away the source. Eric Bailly abhorred Maguire's privileges and questioned how he could continue to start whilst underperforming. Another player claimed Maguire was 'not good enough'. Several teammates agree Bruno Fernandes's wasteful approach is 'a problem'."
To be honest from all of that it sounds like lingard is the biggest viper out of the lot of them. Returned from a successful loan spell at West ham thinking he's the bees nees, found himself on the bench at United because he actually isn't the bees nees and basically couldn't handle it in any form of professional manner because he isn't a particuly professional character.
I reckon the rot started with lingard unable to handle not being a regular and also taking critisicm for poor performances not at all well and then spread to other members of the squad who were not regulars, backed up by the poor form of the team the whole thing spiralled out of control.
It dosent compeatly excuse the two mangers of course, Ole allowed the situation to develop and Rangnick did nothing to actually rescue it. But clearly the dynamic of the squad is compleatly up the wall.
I reckon the rot started with lingard unable to handle not being a regular and also taking critisicm for poor performances not at all well and then spread to other members of the squad who were not regulars, backed up by the poor form of the team the whole thing spiralled out of control.
It dosent compeatly excuse the two mangers of course, Ole allowed the situation to develop and Rangnick did nothing to actually rescue it. But clearly the dynamic of the squad is compleatly up the wall.
That's another problem the quote doesn't mention Rashford, you decided to make it a Rashford vs Elanga when it could be Elanga vs Mejbri or someone else. I also don't know if the player in question is being rational and honest.
I believe its between Rashford and Jesse, probably the former or both. I very much doubt that Mejbri would leak to the press. The risk of being caught and made an example off is far too big.
Did you read the sentence before that? The reporter gave away the source, this is about someone else's article, which the caf already talked about months ago.
Who talked about Mejbri leaking anything?
It is no secret the club culture needs a complete overhaul. It currently reeks of toxicity and entitlement - issues that can only be overcome by a ruthless cull of those who disrupt the overall harmony of the team.
"when it could be Elanga vs Mejbri or someone else "
Journalists and players have a symbiotic relationship. If you’re looking for a leaker I’d suggest looking at those who’ve had the most fawning, soft-soap articles written about them over the season.
I’ll scratch your back, you scratch mine
If a reporter is writing articles that sound like PR pieces there’s often a reason. Outside of that you wouldn’t have any reason to write about what time a player finishes training or that they asked a fellow player how big their muscles were or what they ate for breakfast at the same age…pulling two entirely random examples out of the air
But yeah maybe it’s Bruno
I’ll scratch your back, you scratch mine
If a reporter is writing articles that sound like PR pieces there’s often a reason. Outside of that you wouldn’t have any reason to write about what time a player finishes training or that they asked a fellow player how big their muscles were or what they ate for breakfast at the same age…pulling two entirely random examples out of the air
But yeah maybe it’s Bruno
You asked me whether anyone would prefer to have Rashford instead of Elanga, nothing says that the choice is between Rashford and Elanga. Neither your post nor mine were about who leaked something but who is playing.
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fair enough, I misunderstood you then
I feel sorry for Elanga a promising young player,who may or may not make it,thrown into a collection of toxic individuals who care only about themselves,think they are above criticism,don't want to be told how to play.
Lad would have better off on loan in a real team
Lad would have better off on loan in a real team
That was the sentence before it. But anyway keep going. Most people know its Lingard or Rashford.
Even Rangnick knows this which is why they weren't even in the squad yesterday.
These players had bought into the hype that they could be "champions" this season then reality shattered their little bubble.
Bunch of egotistical maniacs. Can't wait to see the back of them
Bunch of egotistical maniacs. Can't wait to see the back of them
Well Rashford has been playing badly for years now and I have barely heard any criticism about him from print media. Any kind of criticism towards him as been from pundits and that too will fit nicely with the report about a player's representatives wanting to tarnish a legend image giving Neville has consistently implied a particular player is a basket that can't store liquid.
from Ole? yeh, dream on. people who think that are probably denying there's any problem right now
The thought of Bailly kicking up a fuss when’s average and barely ever fit sums up what an entitled and quite simply thick bunch of players we’ve managed to assemble.
There was a study that conclusively proved the whole COVID era was a complete anomaly for away results, across the board… everyone was better away and worse at home, relatively speaking.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/08/210813100323.htm
We just happened to be the biggest beneficiaries of that… confidence and momentum count for a lot over a relatively small and unique sample size
Why we were the ‘best’ Is probably due to a lot of factors - (large among them that we actually paid a lot of money for ostensibly very good players!) but combined with our results once crowds returned (and with Ole prior to Covid - as well as loses in semis and finals, and other high end games) it seems pretty safe to conclude we had a squad that specifically benefited from less pressure.
Talented pussies , basically
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It's mostly likely the both of them and it's quite obvious. Rashford I think also doesn't like Maguire giving their whole cursing episode caught on TV.
I really think Rashford is a real big problem, all his actions point to that being the case. There was the time when he was criticized by some journalist I think, where he then scored a goal (a real good goal though) against Brighton last season and then went on to post the goal on Instagram as some sort of answer to his critics. There was the whole excuse of being injured as an explanation for poor form of the second half of last season encouraged massively by Rashford himself, then there's the more recent episode of phone ringing from Liverpool and co because he finds himself on the bench, there is also the episode with the fans at OT with the whole who the feck do you think you are statement and generally the way he, his representatives and some of their friends in print media lash on to any sort of criticism about his game.
Ole really did make a beast of the guy by indulging the little piss of shit. And the off the field fame he received certainly didn't help either. I strongly believe what he did with the feeding program was outstanding and highly commendable but I think he then leveraged that to build some sort of status for himself in football that definitely wasn't commensurate with his abilities as a footballer.
As for Lingard he clearly gets favourable coverage from some portion of print media.
The leadership is definitely seriously lacking as players at other clubs must have the same human responses but you don't see the openly terrible attitudes we have seen at United.
Exactly. I see Rashford as a huge problem in the dressing room, as does Rangnick which is why he didn't even make squads.
Rashford, for what he has done off the field is great however; I am a United fan, I am concerned with what he is doing for us, which is nothing.
I dont understand why so many fans dont see him being a issue like he is. Even recently, he is trying to strong arm the club, I will leave if I dont get guaranteed starting minutes.
I mean, have a look at your performances before making such remarks.
It’s a huge blind spot for some because he’s home grown.
That makes me think of this thread, tbh
Players behaviour was so bad that it have been discused every day. Managers are last to blame. I would say that this is the worst professionalism by players for about 30-40 years. As long as I have watched. We had some bad culture during 80’s but our players tried atleast back in those says.
Surely a native Portuguese speaker isn't going around calling people Specs? That doesn't make any sense.
Also, Rashford may be underperforming but he doesn't seem like the arch villain type going around threatening that people are finished.
You don't know anything about Rashford. I'd say he is very PR savvy, he took on the prime minister in the national papers ffs. I'd say that's more than enabled him to take on the likes of Ole.
Since he go his MBE it's all gone to shit - he let it get to his head and his performances have massively dropped off.
Lets not forget the video where he offered to fight a fan too.
I think we saw what happened with Jose. Conte would have improved things, but it may not have lasted.
I think ETH will find the right balance. He needs to!
Rashford hasn't played well since returning from an injury where he had played through the pain barrier with a broken bone in his back. Solskjaer flogged him to death last season as he did with Maguire and Bruno who then went to the Euros and all of them have had terrible seasons. There are other reasons besides 'letting things get to your head' for why player performances drop and injuries and lack of recovery is are two of them.
Who gives a toss if he offered to fight a fan. He was getting abused by the so called fans. For all Rashford's shortcomings this year, he seems like a good egg.
Yes, lets all blame Ole for this. I have seen VVD play every game for Liverpool in the PL and CL when he is fit. No Lfc fan complains that he is being run to the ground.
Secondly, Ole flogged Rashford to the death, was it Ole's choice for Rashford to go to the Euros instead of getting his OP?
Looks like it. Also seems like a good egg?
What about him saying If I am not guaranteed starting, I will look elsewhere? When he is not even putting a 3/10
It's...Marcus Rashford.
It's clearly Rashford as the article states it's player wanting a new contract. Goldbridge also alluded to this earlier.
Is Van Dijk carrying a serious injury that requires him being injected before each game?
It clearly shows there are many groupings within the squad, there is Pogba and Martial who don't give a sh*t and then there are Rashford, Lingard and Mason with their own egos and media friends. Players like Luke Shaw and Rashford who have been at the club far longer than Maguire and think they have a better case for being captain. Players like Bailly who see themselves equal or even better than Maguire, being replaced by Maguire and Maguire getting royalty treatment simply for being English.
Then there is the case of Ronaldo, his entourage and his little Portugal with the squad. Ronaldo commands respect but he's equally media savvy and has more connections than anyone else in media and at United. So nobody can criticize him or go against him. Bruno who was a star last season, saw his performance and presence suffered due to arrival of Ronaldo as well, as a result he's shown desperation instead of composure in his game, which has resulted in him being wasteful at times.
Ralf was stuck amidst all this, he was never really a manager but a DoF to begin with, he should have been appointed that along with like minded manager like Poch or Rose or Nagelsmann or even Hasenhüttl at the start of season.
But I am glad even with all the chaos we have been able to sign probably the best available manager there is in world football right now in ETH. I hope for once, United board do the right thing and give ETH full authority to do the open heart surgery that is needed.
Then there is the case of Ronaldo, his entourage and his little Portugal with the squad. Ronaldo commands respect but he's equally media savvy and has more connections than anyone else in media and at United. So nobody can criticize him or go against him. Bruno who was a star last season, saw his performance and presence suffered due to arrival of Ronaldo as well, as a result he's shown desperation instead of composure in his game, which has resulted in him being wasteful at times.
Ralf was stuck amidst all this, he was never really a manager but a DoF to begin with, he should have been appointed that along with like minded manager like Poch or Rose or Nagelsmann or even Hasenhüttl at the start of season.
But I am glad even with all the chaos we have been able to sign probably the best available manager there is in world football right now in ETH. I hope for once, United board do the right thing and give ETH full authority to do the open heart surgery that is needed.
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