Sadly, yes. His passing is at times still there.
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Sadly, yes. His passing is at times still there.
Of course, even in this clip Memphis doesn't appear to have the "ball glued to foot" technical quality that Martial has, and he's never going to have that. But even taking into account the opposition, he looks miles better as a dribbler. He's not got rapid speed to get away from defenders, so his usage of trickery, feints, dummies etc. is much more important than the same is to Martial. That's the stuff that just isn't coming off, or at least has come off very sparingly. But the fact is that he has that trickery in his locker which is quite a rarity these days, even if he's displayed it being successfully used at a lower. That plus his goalscoring exploits in Holland, which from a wide player aged 20 was brilliant, tell me that getting rid after just the one season would be a very silly decision. Give him a chance to turn it around.
Good goalscorer when given time and space. No wonder he isn't taking this league by storm I guess. I remember watching his videos and thinking "he'll rarely get into such a situation here" - especially under manager who prefers possession football. Funny thing is he might do much better under Mourinho but it's more likely he'll be sold in nearest transfer window becuse of his lack off-the-ball work.
He was also considered as a good dribbler so there's that.
Regarding Nani I think they're completely different players, Nani had all the tools but somehow his brain seemed to stop when he played on the left. Memphis seems to be very limited player and his special move "cut on the right foot and shoot" doesn't work here so I expect him to struggle even more on the left.
I'm not sure if the bolded part is true but anyway his contribution in attack is so little that it makes him total passenger in that case.
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This is hilarious.
You abuse the management for playing Mata on the right wing because he's out of position and shit (despite you know him playing most of his career playing as a wide player) and also criticize them for not playing Depay out of the right wing where he's barely played. You also want Mata and Lingard to be dropped despite them being far better than Depay. All this because because you want the "kid to to get games". Guess, what he did get loads of playing time until LVG finally realized that the guy is a bit shit.
Nani was much more skillful and a much better dribbler than Depay will ever be. Which is why, despite Nani being better on the right, he was still more than a handful even when he was playing on the left.
Depay isn't anywhere near quick enough to make up for a lack of dribbling ability and skill on the ball. At his best, he's about Ashley Young's level and even that looks some way off right now.
I think those clips are from the 13/14 season.
He looks much slimmer and agile there, so it's not surprising that he dribbles better.
Last season he became a more effective player and he didn't dribble as much, he was the main man i attack.
I hope he loses some of that muscle, it will make him better imo.
He looks a hell of a lot slimmer. I've seen him admit the same as well, but I haven't found a change as of yet.
I'm also hoping the change of manager/style will help him. Strikes me as the United player least suited to possession football.
Anyone saying that Memphis should be in the squad over Lingard need to re-watch the games vs Stoke, Newcastle and Chelsea where he made individual errors which cost us points, often in the dying moments.
In fact as much as I hate to say it, if it wasn't for the mistakes vs Chelsea and Newcastle we'd be in top four right now (if all other results remained the same).
In fact as much as I hate to say it, if it wasn't for the mistakes vs Chelsea and Newcastle we'd be in top four right now (if all other results remained the same).
He's only young and at a new club, in a new country. He should be given more time to turn around his form.
Newcastle? That game was all Smalling's fault
Regarding all the talk about Memphis' instagram:
You really do hate Depay don't you, it's sad and hilarious in equal measure.
I criticized the management for playing Mata on the RW because he's not a winger and shit there. Meanwhile we have 2-3 actual wingers sitting on the bench and another one sitting in the stands.
I never said i wanted Lingard dropped i said rotated, nor has he been far better than Depay. He's been decent to good but mostly just alright, better than Depay no doubt but let's not exaggerate.
I know right imagine me a United fan wanting a young player with potential to get games and develop. It's absurd isn't it, i mean it's not like we as a club have a history of developing young talent either through our academy or bought from other clubs... oh wait.
Give over you clown.
Although not a winger, Mata is better on the right than in the middle. For me he doesn't even have a position, he's a free roaming player what means he's mostly running across the pitch so IMO better from the right. By the way, Memphis isn't a winger either in my books.
Lingard has been better in every aspect of the game so "far" better isn't an exegerattion. IMO he's been alright without doing much offensively, what says a lot about Memphis. Big difference is how he works with team mates and how he works his socks off.
I think he meant you have to show some talent and heart to get chances at our club. Not every player is worth investing time in. Personally I'm not sure Memphis has shown us enough.
You really do hate Depay don't you, it's sad and hilarious in equal measure.
Desperate and sad. But hilarious as well. You can't counter with any valid points so you resort to making out like I hate Depay. You are so desperately in love with the supposed potential and talent of Depay that anyone with a view to the contrary is a hater. Oh well.
Sigh. Just because you want something to be true does not make it so. Mata has played more games as a wide player in his career than in any other position. You can ignore that if you want and continue making stuff up but I'd suggest you stop talking rubbish. Second, Mata has not been rubbish. I'm not even sure what adjectives one would use to describe Depay if Mata's performances count as rubbish.
Depay's performances haven't merited anything more than a place on the bench (if that). I don't know why you keep on ignoring this.
No, he's been much better than Depay. Unfortunately more a refection of how terrible Depay has been than any kind of compliment to Lingard.
Yeah, young talents like Martial, Nani, Rashford, Ronaldo, Rooney etc...you know the players who were actually good talents. That's the history we have.
But then again, you are probably one of those clowns who wanted the likes of Obertan and Bebe to be given 2-3 years before they were written off because that's what United do.
Sorry you made some points, where?You sure seem like you don't like the guy, since you keep attacking my posts for suggesting we should give him time. Now you imply that i love Depay.
I don't care how many games Mata played wide in Spain for us out there he's been shit and he's clearly not a winger. Thats hardly an unpopular opinion.
Obertan and Bebe jesus christ if you rate Depay alongside those two then theres no point even conversing with you mate.
This thread is nuts i don't even particularly like Depay yet i've been drawn into countless inane discussions for having the audacity to suggest we should give the guy more than 6-8 months to settle in and prove himself before throwing him and the £25m we spent on him on the scrap heap. Hilarious.
He should definitely be given more time at the club. Now if he is in a simialr position this time next year then ya may begin to think that the premier league may not be for him. If he does get himself settled and playing well then ya could try him on the right or have him and Martial swap flanks throughout games.
I disagree mate, i hate him out there. Too slow, left footed can't beat a man. Ugh just no. And i like Mata i really do just in the middle.
I think our opinions on Depay are probably similar mate. I think the difference is i don't seem to rate Lingard or his performances as highly as a lot of people do. I like the guy and hope he develops into a good little squad player for us, but i think even that may be too optimistic an expectation.
They are not mate you're right but Depay clearly has talent, we weren't the only club willing to pay a shit load of money for him. We can't just get rid of a 22 year old kid after a bad 4-5 months playing for a struggling side in his first year in a new country. It would be idiotic we wouldn't get half our money back on him based on his performances this year.
Considering that we've already invested £25m on him, I think it's safe to say he is 'worth investing time in'. And although he works hard, it's not like Lingard has been setting the world alight.
He has obvious talent. I really hope we give him time unlike Zaha who we shipped too quickly. Next season should be the real season he is judged as this season started off well but dropped to average/awful ever since, his confidence seems non existent. A good rest this summer and pre season under a hopefully different coach we'll see what happens next but I'm not giving up on him yet however frustrating he is.
Playing him instead of better/more talented players is not in our interest though. Don't get me wrong- I don't mind keeping him, but I just don't see a place for him in the team at the moment.
Wonder what Memphis agent NL Max thinks of his performances this season?
You sure seem like you don't like the guy, since you keep attacking my posts for suggesting we should give him time. Now you imply that i love Depay.
I don't care how many games Mata played wide in Spain for us out there he's been shit and he's clearly not a winger. Thats hardly an unpopular opinion.
Obertan and Bebe jesus christ if you rate Depay alongside those two then theres no point even conversing with you mate.
This thread is nuts i don't even particularly like Depay yet i've been drawn into countless inane discussions for having the audacity to suggest we should give the guy more than 6-8 months to settle in and prove himself before throwing him and the £25m we spent on him on the scrap heap. Hilarious.
Proper lol worthy stuff.
I'm not attacking your idea of wanting to give Depay time. That's a common enough view even if i do disagree with it. It's some of the other stuff you've come out with that's borderline ridiculous. Your assertion that he's been some how been frozen out wrongfully or that he should be given 3 years before a judgement should be passed or criticizing the manager for playing players out of position and then suggesting he play Depay in a position he's barely played in.
You don't care that Mata has played most of his career out wide (or the fact that he's been miles better on the right for us than through the middle) and then you want Depay to play on the right when he's barely played there. To think you're calling our management clueless for playing players where they've spent most of their careers playing. And your main complaint is that they play players out of position. Irony overload. Of course, the very idea that Depay should be played on the right is perplexing enough given he's shown nothing to suggest he would be any better given his obvious lack of dribbling ability and that's without considering that we'd have to drop players who are better than Depay.
The point is fairly obvious and one that you keep ignoring. Some players are not worth persisting with when it becomes obvious that they're not good enough. Persisting with mediocre garbage (and buying even more of them) is the reason we find ourselves in our current mess. The idea that every young player needs to 2-3 years before he's written off is preposterous. It's a stance that's justifiable with some players who show signs of obvious potential and talent but are inconsistent not with players who don't look like they'll amount to much even if they do improve.
My understanding (not good enough) is that his overall work rate and mentality is preventing him from playing at all except some mins in some not so important games of course.
Depay strongest quality is his shooting then crossing from what i have seen so far at United. So if we are to play him on the right side, he has to cross more and be selfless which is something that I can't see him wanting to do so far. Also his strongest attribute, shooting, will be a tad useless since he is very one footed there.
Nani despite being shit half of the time with us was a much better and complete player. Two footed, his passing were very good, crossing too. We know all about his shooting as well. There is a reason why SAF was harsh on him for not becoming like Ronaldo and eventually pretty much pissed at him. He had all the qualities but lack of proper mentality.
About tactic and formation, I agree that Front 3 should not fall back all the way too much in general since we play with 2 DMs. But, you know our manager, safety first.
And, comparing our front 3 with Barcelona's or even Madrid's front 3 won't do though. None of our front 3 provides same quality as theirs to pin half of the other team to stay back making their attacking intent being useless. Also they have much better ball passers and midfielders. People have been complaining about Ronaldo lack of defensive work in Madrid team and he is Ronaldo.
The work rate from front 3 of Barca except Messi sometimes has been top.
Can we just cut our losses on him, he's horrendous....
Frozen out wrongfully? I said this where exactly? I said he's been frozen out alright, i can only remember saying he should be getting more playing time than he currently is.
Also what the feck are you on about with this 3 years nonsense who said that, certainly not me. I said he will be here next season and over the next year or two we will see if he can develop into a good player before shifting him on.
Stop making shit up.
Mata isn't a winger, he hasn't played his best football for us there this season either thats utter nonsense. He's been poor out there so stop repeating it.
Depay playing on the right isn't really playing out of position considering he's fecking right footed and you know a fecking winger. Every week half the fecking team are being played out of position so it's not ridiculous to think Depay a right footed winger could have been played on the right wing the odd game.
So in your expert opinion Depay is not good enough and never will be based on 20-30 games over a few months in his first year in England. Yeah ok lol.Go away and stop spouting nonsense.
Endorsement from Robben:
http://www.squawka.com/news/arjen-r...still-make-a-success-of-memphis-depay/661130?
I think he will breakthrough next season.
http://www.squawka.com/news/arjen-r...still-make-a-success-of-memphis-depay/661130?
I think he will breakthrough next season.
First 5 shots go right into the top corner.... of the stand behind the goals.
Stands over a free kick like Ronaldo, takes free kick like he's never kicked a football before in his life.
Has muscles on muscles, gets shoves off the ball like a 4 year old with rickets every. single. time.
Has an a$$ like Kim Kardashian, is useless at shielding the ball.
Has a locker full of tricks, leaves them in his locker.
Performs well against the worst teams we've faced this season, horrendous against anyone half-decent.
The lad isn't committed enough to be a Utd player. He's too heavy, he's too uninterested, he's too inconsistent. I'm sick and tired of the 'give him time' excuse... as if the 'time' between the final whistle of this season and the first whistle next season is going to see some unworldly change. Utd isn't a club to come to and cut your teeth. We've heard the same tripe about Jones... 'give him time'... no. Any other profession in the world, you have to prove your worth straight off the bat. I don't see the NHS bringing in people off the street, handing them scalpels and giving them 'time' to get good at surgery. It's insane.
The kid doesn't have the head for it, he's too worried about being a celebrity, cruising in his rolls royce and being the playboy. His 'return' to PSV in January was ridiculous, going back to a league he performed well in to have his ego massaged just stank of a need for acceptance instead of knuckling down and getting his game right at OT.
Stands over a free kick like Ronaldo, takes free kick like he's never kicked a football before in his life.
Has muscles on muscles, gets shoves off the ball like a 4 year old with rickets every. single. time.
Has an a$$ like Kim Kardashian, is useless at shielding the ball.
Has a locker full of tricks, leaves them in his locker.
Performs well against the worst teams we've faced this season, horrendous against anyone half-decent.
The lad isn't committed enough to be a Utd player. He's too heavy, he's too uninterested, he's too inconsistent. I'm sick and tired of the 'give him time' excuse... as if the 'time' between the final whistle of this season and the first whistle next season is going to see some unworldly change. Utd isn't a club to come to and cut your teeth. We've heard the same tripe about Jones... 'give him time'... no. Any other profession in the world, you have to prove your worth straight off the bat. I don't see the NHS bringing in people off the street, handing them scalpels and giving them 'time' to get good at surgery. It's insane.
The kid doesn't have the head for it, he's too worried about being a celebrity, cruising in his rolls royce and being the playboy. His 'return' to PSV in January was ridiculous, going back to a league he performed well in to have his ego massaged just stank of a need for acceptance instead of knuckling down and getting his game right at OT.
Not your cup of tea then?
Time for that cut Memphis. We all dread it but we have to do it. Summer is coming.
Fat bastard.
Fat bastard.
He's been wank and has cost us points this season, but selling a kid after only his first season is daft. Let's see how he applies himself next season.
That being said, he's definitely where he deserves to be now. On the bench. He was afforded leeway and didn't lose his first team spot in his first few months.
Thank God for Rashford. Memphis probably would've been stinking the place up for months now if he hadn't stepped up.
That being said, he's definitely where he deserves to be now. On the bench. He was afforded leeway and didn't lose his first team spot in his first few months.
Thank God for Rashford. Memphis probably would've been stinking the place up for months now if he hadn't stepped up.
Off topic i know but as far as i understand the process thats exactly what they do lol.
You go to Medical school to learn the basics and get your degree and then you start a residency at a hospital where you train for a few years under an experienced surgeon and learn your craft and eventually become an experienced and licensed surgeon.
Frozen out wrongfully? I said this where exactly? I said he's been frozen out alright, i can only remember saying he should be getting more playing time than he currently is.
Also what the feck are you on about with this 3 years nonsense who said that, certainly not me. I said he will be here next season and over the next year or two we will see if he can develop into a good player before shifting him on.
Stop making shit up.
Are you serious? That means you think he's been wrongfully frozen i.e should have got more time than he has, which by the way is complete nonsense in any case.
You said Depay needed another 18-24 months before he could be judged, which would make it 3 years since he has joined. Can you even count?
Since you appear to be completely clueless let me spell it out for you. The idea that Mata is out of position on the wings is complete and utter bollocks as is the notion that he's been shite on the right. His best United performances have come on the right in fact.
Depay is far more more out of position on the right than Mata is based on their careers so far. No idea why this is even debatable. That's without considering that Mata is absolutely miles better than Depay. There's not a single reasonable justification to drop Mata for Depay. And no, "I want the kid to get games" is not a valid reason.
Go away and stop spouting nonsense.
Actually, yes. 20-30 games is more than enough to tell whether someone is worth persisting with or not. And it's not just his time in England. I saw a bit of him in the Dutch and Europa League and at the WC. I've never once thought he was anywhere near good enough as anything more than a squad player. He'll improve but I don't see him amounting to much more than a Ashley Young level player in a few years although right now that's an insult to Young. And I like Young. Good player but in an ideal world he would be a squad player at best.
Haha.... Can you tell?
Just not for me. Each to their own though, Utd should have better quality.
Then Memphis needs to spend more time in medical school instead of killing patients (and patience!) at OT!
If he was applying himself I could see through it, the kid needs an injection of urgency and a reduction in attitude!
He deleted all the pictures of his account and apparently that meant he was going. He's since uploaded a heap of pictures to make a bigger one of him celebrating
Anyway, getting rid of him would be fecking mental.
He's been pretty shite but a young player in a new league, in a piss poor attacking side and people would get rid of him already?
Not everyone can be as good as Martial, and I'd say he's been an exception, and there have been bigger names and more experienced players who have looked a shadow of themselves under LVG too.
Ah right, thanks.
I agree. He's 21, we need to give him a decent shot. There's no need to sell, and it's not like we'd recoup what we spent anyway.
Genuinely surprised by the level of backlash he's received.
He's not even a signing like Fellaini, who people weren't excited about.
Is it because fans expected so much (which is hardly his fault)?
Or is he getting the extra bits of Anderson/Cleverley disappointment thrown into the mix?
I don't think Zaha even got his kind of negativity.
Why, for example, doesn't Darmian (who's been marginally less crap) get the same treatment?
He's not even a signing like Fellaini, who people weren't excited about.
Is it because fans expected so much (which is hardly his fault)?
Or is he getting the extra bits of Anderson/Cleverley disappointment thrown into the mix?
I don't think Zaha even got his kind of negativity.
Why, for example, doesn't Darmian (who's been marginally less crap) get the same treatment?
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I don't think Van Gaal was wrong to play him less at all given his poor form when he was getting regular games. I just think it's harsh that he's given him so few opportunities overall since December, especially since other players have been as bad and they still get games.
Nice try.Yeah i'm the clueless one in this conversation, this coming from the guy trying to convince someone that not only is Mata a right winger but he's also great there. Wow.
Let me spell out my opinion in simpler terms for you so you can digest it more easily.
Mata + Right wing = shit
You can have your own opinion and think whatever the feck you like. I don't care.
Good for you mate, you're not actually the manager of Man Utd though so who gives a feck what you have decided.
This must be the 3rd or 4th post in a row where you have basically repeated yourself and spewed the same shit. We have different opinions, you are not going to change mine and i don't give a feck about yours. Why you are having a hard time understanding that i don't know. So give over and stop boring the tits off me.
He may have a bad attitude mate and you may be right i don't know. But where does this perception come from?
Has he given a load of bad interviews, or been spewing shit on social media or something?
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