Butthurt Nani fanboys. Simples.
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Butthurt Nani fanboys. Simples.
This is the problem. He isn't, or hasn't shown he is that quick. In the Dutch League, and against teams in the CL and Europa League that were around or below the quality of the Dutch League he was fast enough.
So far in the Premier League, where the standard of athleticism in defenders is much higher, he has been pretty much ineffectual. His game depends on his physicality, his strength and speed, but his speed doesn't seem to be fast enough to deal with Premier League fullbacks. He gets out run, out muscled, out played consistently. Feeding the ball in to Depay on the wing has at times been about the same as just kicking the ball to the defender. You knew he was going to lose it, and then 5 seconds later he lost it.
It's honestly nothing to do with pace... He's quick enough to be a quality winger it's his speed of thought that is too slow, if you put Matas head on Depays body we would have a world beater.
I doubt that. I get the impression that most of those who wanted Nani to stay want to be patient with Memphis. Well, at least me and my friends.
It comes from me having watched Utd players who fully apply themselves and have a need to perform, Beckham, Keane, G Nev, Ronaldo, Tevez to name but a few. You can see when these players have an inner desire to perform. They left everything on the pitch and gave their all.
Depay doesn't look that bothered, never seems to grab his chance when he plays (aside from playing well a few times against bad teams)! He never seems to fully sprint, never tracks back, his first 5 shots are always wayward to the point of embarrassing, his free kicks are pathetic and wasteful & he never seems that assed.
Comes across to me like the smart kid in school who never really applied himself & will one day regret looking back at having never reached his full potential.... That said, he also strikes me as the kind of guy who'll be happy enough in another lesser league, being a big fish in a small pond,loving a celebrity lifestyle driving his fast cars. I realise there's the George Best "where did it all go wrong" irony here, but for me, he isn't pushing himself for footballing excellence, instead he's striving for celebrity nous.
He won't make it. He just won't.
I think he'll be fine, given time.
From my perspective, I don't think he synergizes well with the rest of the team at the moment, because certain aspects of his game were underdeveloped/neglected at PSV. He doesn't seem to have a plan B or a means of adapting his game when he faces static defences, which hurts his effectiveness.
This doesn't mean he can't learn those lessons and still have a future here. Frankly I find it staggering that a young player should cop so much flak due to excessive hype, whereas someone like Valencia puts in one of his classic 5/10 performances and only gets a "Meh, it's Valencia, what more can you expect".
Nah mate, I'm not a fan of Valencia at all either. Failed winger becomes half-assed right back... Classic Moyes/LVG move that. The lad can't cross a ball for sh1t, shin-seekers every.single.time. 5/10 performance is being kind to him. Should be shipped out.
Memphis just needs to get his head out of his oversized a$$ & develop a plan b in training. He should have adapted better than he has by now.
Shit attitude and over weight won't be Ok at Jose's .. We will see what he's made of when Mourinho takes control. But so far he's been terrible..
Well you may be right i don't know mate, maybe he does have a bad attitude. Can't say it occurred to me from having watched him play though.
His on pitch demeanour could also be a result of being woefully short of confidence and having a hard time adapting to the physical nature of the Premier League. I imagine the intensity and fitness levels in the PL are a level above what he was used to in Holland. Wouldn't be the first player to find it hard adapting, look at Darmian he looks knackered every game after 60mins.
But who knows.
That's a lot of assumption about a guys character and lifestyle based on watching him run around a football pitch mate, to be fair.
I think a United winger needs pace and if Memphis doesn't address this then he may not have a future here. We should at least give him another full season though.
Why's "overweight" cropping up again? How the feck is Memphis overweight? He's one of the most in shape players we have.
He's also fast. He's shown he get get past players before by using his strength and speed, but as someone else pointed out he's just a stupid player.
I agree in that he is built well. But i'd argue he isn't fast and the fact he is now stacked could be one of the reasons he now looks slower then ever.
Even after his mediocre season I still don't get the hate for him. People read into this attitude thing way too much and I don't understand how people think he is arrogant - he is hardly throwing his toys out the pram, talking negatively to the press or complaining - but by all accounts is getting his head down in training and working hard. Whether that is enough, we will see next season I guess.
To clarify a few things:
Depay is not overweight - Rooney is overweight.
Depay is also enough to be a winger - Mata is not hence why he does not play as a winger when on the right.
For someone who hasn't really got game time since the New Year he generally looks dangerous, if inconsistent, when he gets the odd 15 minute spell. My fear is that he just doesn't have the speed of thought/intelligence to play at the highest level. He has everything else.
To clarify a few things:
Depay is not overweight - Rooney is overweight.
Depay is also enough to be a winger - Mata is not hence why he does not play as a winger when on the right.
For someone who hasn't really got game time since the New Year he generally looks dangerous, if inconsistent, when he gets the odd 15 minute spell. My fear is that he just doesn't have the speed of thought/intelligence to play at the highest level. He has everything else.
He isn't fast.. He never makes ground on any player on the first few yards.. That's what a winger needs..
Except he does. I've seen him on more than one occasion knock the ball past a defender, then get infront of that defender using his body. He's not great at it, but he can do it.
Don't get me wrong, he hasn't been up to standard at all. He's not rapid either, but his pace and weight are the two things that we shouldn't be worrying about.
If he lost 5kg he would surely be a bit faster..
Would certainly give him one more season but if he turns out to be another Zaha then I may start crying. Just too many kids we buy for unbelievable money and they are not able to put in any afford to repay the faith,waste of time and space, rather give chance to Harrop or someone in the academy than these overpriced kids with attitude problems.. that no7 really seems cursed..
Not particularly. Memphis was very effective due to the synergy of the PSV attack. They played a counter attacking game and when the broke they had a classic winger on the right, a hold up striker, an attacking full back on the left and Memphis and Wijnaldum performing penetrating runs from the left wing and centre. Those 5 could stretch a defense wide so they weren't very reliant on pace. Not to mention that the Dutch league is far less defensive than the EPL so teams are caught out on attack way more often allowing wasteful players to rake up decent stats.
Even then though Memphis was a bit suspect, his technique is lacking for a Dutch international and he was rarely decisive in the big league games and PSV was poor in the EL. The world cup really boosted his market value.
Darmian is tired because he leaves it all on the pitch - regardless of skill-set or mistakes. I'm not defending his tiredness, but he looks like hes trying as hard as he can. Memphis doesnt.
As for assumptions, I'm basing it on his well publicised penchant for lavish cars, his inert need to create social media storms (see his recent deleting all pics reports in the paper), his ability to be papped where other players arent, his ridiculous return to PSV for a song & dance farewell in January. He needs to knuckle down & become a footballer first - celebrity second.
He's got unnecessary and underutilised mirror muscles and an a$$ like Kim Kardashian.
Against FC Midtjylland perhaps....
I made the same point earlier this season but we are probably wrong since he has more or less the same musculature than Seedorf.
Unless Martial becomes our starting #9 next season I just don't see how Memphis is going to get regular game time.
By scoring or assisting when he is given an opportunity and therefore pushing Martial in the middle or Lingard on the bench.
I don't see that happening with him, he seems the type that needs to steady assurance of playing as a main part of the team rather than having to force his way in.
he reminds me of kong from Mario Kart, great at top speed but bit of a lard arse getting there
Thats the thing though mate it's all about perception. Personally at times i think Darmian looks like he can't be arsed, i've said as much in his performance thread after games. But then a few hours after the game when i think about it objectively it's not actually likely though is it? That a young guy like Darmian or Depay goes out and doesn't try, i doubt theres many footballers that don't try their best. It might not look that way sometimes, and there are a few like Yaya who are lazy but for the most part i doubt it.
Still possible you are jumping to conclusions though mate. Let's be honest we can't ever really know the character of someone we have never met in person simply by looking at their facebook page.
As for liking lavish cars yeah he does, but to be fair what footballer in the modern age doesn't. With the money in the game these days there aren't many driving around in a Ford Focus.
Having said all that mate you could be right, i'm just playing devils advocate.
I want him to get another season. So many players had crappy first seasons but became ok/good/terrific later on...
Henderson and Lamela was quite crappy their first seasons but has turned out quite alright
Henderson and Lamela was quite crappy their first seasons but has turned out quite alright
It doesn't took much to play in the current United starting XI, just don't feck up and pretend like you care.
And he failed even to do so.
And he failed even to do so.
Hasn't displayed the same skill set as Seedorf yet though... Nowhere near it unfortunately!
Me too to be honest, I'd love to be eating humble pie this time next season with Depay having 20+ goals and a bagful of assists!
If VG can get 2 (and now maybe 3) years to stink the place up, so I agree we need to give Depay a year to prove himself.
But it has nothing to do with his muscles which was the point.
At this point i'd be fecking delighted if anybody in our squad managed 20+ goals and a load of assists next year. Even Fellaini lol
Right now he's more talk than substance, basically mini-Van Gaal.
Would look fecking weird though.
On the other hand, Depay's head on Mata's body would be one truly shocking footballer.
Would love for it to happen but difficult to see where he would fit in the team. He annoyingly only plays in one of the only positions of our lineup which doesn't need strengthening.
It's not even his bad attitude that pisses me off; it's the fact that he has sweet FA in his locker to show that he's a decent player at the very least is most depressing.
A fraudulent, nothing player. Get rid.
A fraudulent, nothing player. Get rid.
I didnt even remember Nani.. Now thinking about it, he offered so much more than Memphis... even when he was shit.
We managed to spend 20m and downgrade... on Nani, who was already playing poorly.. That takes some doing..
What rubbish.
He has plenty in his locker.
He might fizzle away like plenty of other talented players like him before.. Or he could put it all together and be a pretty good player..
He has age on his side... but he needs to start showing something.. maybe a new manager will help...
A slow, one trick pony whose whole idea of playing football is to cut inside from the left and take a half-decent shot at goal with his favoured foot and you say that player has 'plenty in his locker'? No way I'm having that.
I'd love it if he proves me wrong but with each passing day it's looking rather unlikely
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