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iamfalcao said:
Knowing we are going to be developing a potential world class talent for real madrid... Again... Really takes the shine off this transfer for me. He's not even calling us the best team in the world like LVG does, he says "one of" the best clubs in the world. If he becomes as good as we hope, he's off. And it pisses me off. No matter how many champions league we win the appeal of Real Madrid for players outside of England is greater then us unfortunately. And god knows why anyone would want to play there the way their fans treat the players and manager when they havent won a trophy for one season. :mad::mad::mad:
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If a player like him is trying to lay paving stones to become a Madrid player then there are easier routes to chose than coming to Man Utd. A top club in Spain (outside Barca/Athletico) or one of the top two in Portugal would be an easier route. It'd be easier to shine in those leagues and Madrid can easier cherry pick those clubs for players. Heck, even staying where he is for a couple of years might have done it.

The other thing is that players move on these days. It's just a fact of life. I dare say that if I was a prem footballer at the top & won trophies over a few years for the club I'd be tempted by a new challenge. Annoying but you can't blame someone for wanting to retire having won things in multiple countries. Plus the money they make by moving too. There's really very little negative to moving around from a players' point of view.
 
My only worry with this transfer is that we may become over-reliant on him to contribute to our attacks like Robben at Bayern under van Gaal. I just hope that our other players don't treat him like C. Ronaldo during the 2008/09 season or di Maria during the fall of our most recent season. For him to thrive and develop properly, we can't rely on him to carry our attacks.
 
I'm not so worried about that. He will be eased in imo. Di Maria stays, and we add something extra to our midfield.

We should be going at defences from all angles.
 
Bubz27 said:
I'm not so worried about that. He will be eased in imo. Di Maria stays, and we add something extra to our midfield.

We should be going at defences from all angles.
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That's what I'm hoping as well. I just hope that we play a winger on the right or at least have a threat out on the right in order to keep things balanced.
 
mazhar13 said:
That's what I'm hoping as well. I just hope that we play a winger on the right or at least have a threat out on the right in order to keep things balanced.
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Symmetry is overrated. I like the idea of Mata or Di Maria on the right tucking in to help the midfield and use the space that should be created by Depay being pushed pretty high up.

Van Gaal will Van Gaal, but I think if you look at our personnel for 15/16, before we make any more signings, the best front 6 is pretty clearly:

-------Rooney-------
Memphis------------
------Mata--DiMaria
-------Herrera-------
------Carrick/Blind---

or a variation on that with Di Maria central and Mata on the right.

Fellaini and Young are just not on the level of Mata or Di Maria. We can't afford to leave talent off the field
 
iamfalcao said:
Knowing we are going to be developing a potential world class talent for real madrid... Again... Really takes the shine off this transfer for me. He's not even calling us the best team in the world like LVG does, he says "one of" the best clubs in the world. If he becomes as good as we hope, he's off. And it pisses me off. No matter how many champions league we win the appeal of Real Madrid for players outside of England is greater then us unfortunately. And god knows why anyone would want to play there the way their fans treat the players and manager when they havent won a trophy for one season. :mad::mad::mad:
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Lets be clear. Real don't care about nationality and attracts players irrespective on whether they are Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, French, Argentinian etc. David Beckham was a homegrown talent but that didn't stop him from going there, same as Gareth Bale, Michael Owen and Woodgate. Mcmanaman took it a step further by betraying the team that made him the player he was to go there on a free transfer. Its hard to become as attractive as Real. Some managed to do it on short term (ex AC Milan of the late 80s) however things go back to square one once money start to run out.

The choice here is simple. We can either get the best players we can lay our hands off and risk having them poached by Real in few years time or else we can stock ourselves with average players or the 'servants of the club' and play mediocre football which leads us to nowhere. Real never placed bids for Philip Neville or John OShea.
 
NoPace said:
Symmetry is overrated. I like the idea of Mata or Di Maria on the right tucking in to help the midfield and use the space that should be created by Depay being pushed pretty high up.

Van Gaal will Van Gaal, but I think if you look at our personnel for 15/16, before we make any more signings, the best front 6 is pretty clearly:

-------Rooney-------
Memphis------------
------Mata--DiMaria
-------Herrera-------
------Carrick/Blind---

or a variation on that with Di Maria central and Mata on the right.

Fellaini and Young are just not on the level of Mata or Di Maria. We can't afford to leave talent off the field
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With teams parking the bus infront of the defense we need players with great pace and magic who can exploit one lapse of concentration to break them up. I hope we'll play Depay as a LW-LF role in a 4-3-3 system with licence to break in the center and do the damage (United's Ronaldo's type). I also believe we need to add another goalscoring winger on the right (Bale? or Nani)

My midfield/forward line for next season would be

----------------------Schneiderlin-------------------
------------------Herrera-------Di Maria-----------------

Bale/Nani------------------------------------------------Depay

------------------------Rooney------------------------------------
 
NoPace said:
Symmetry is overrated. I like the idea of Mata or Di Maria on the right tucking in to help the midfield and use the space that should be created by Depay being pushed pretty high up.

Van Gaal will Van Gaal, but I think if you look at our personnel for 15/16, before we make any more signings, the best front 6 is pretty clearly:

-------Rooney-------
Memphis------------
------Mata--DiMaria
-------Herrera-------
------Carrick/Blind---

or a variation on that with Di Maria central and Mata on the right.

Fellaini and Young are just not on the level of Mata or Di Maria. We can't afford to leave talent off the field
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That will only work if we have a right back who will be an attacking threat. Of course, when there's space to take up, we will see di Maria cut inside, but I don't want, say, Mata to play on the right unless we have a right full back who's an attacking threat. The benefit of having wide players who can go outside and inside is that it will keep the opposition full back guessing. In this case, di Maria is perfect for the right wing. What I don't want is what we had at the end of this recent season where we always went left because our right side wasn't really creating chances. Mata and his options were easily closed down, and Valencia got worse going forward towards the end of the season. Herrera, of course, played a more reserved role.

I said what I said before because Bayern were heavily reliant on Robben in van Gaal's first season. Yes, they had Ribery, but he struggled to perform under van Gaal as he suppressed his instincts. This is what I don't want with Depay, and I'm sure this won't happen as di Maria should hopefully be more effective (just like Ribery under van Gaal's second season).
 
mazhar13 said:
My only worry with this transfer is that we may become over-reliant on him to contribute to our attacks like Robben at Bayern under van Gaal. I just hope that our other players don't treat him like C. Ronaldo during the 2008/09 season or di Maria during the fall of our most recent season. For him to thrive and develop properly, we can't rely on him to carry our attacks.
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He's too young. He probably won't be good enough to be over-relied on in the beginning of his United career. If he ever gets to that sort of level then it's a great thing. But for now, we've got better players than him and everyone should understand that he might take time to adjust. If he starts bang on the money and on fire, then that's a great bonus.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
He's too young. He probably won't be good enough to be over-relied on in the beginning of his United career. If he ever gets to that sort of level then it's a great thing. But for now, we've got better players than him and everyone should understand that he might take time to adjust. If he starts bang on the money and on fire, then that's a great bonus.
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I believe we could be over-reliant on him because he can score goals from out wide and can beat players with pace and quickness. Since he's not as inefficient on the ball as di Maria is, I'm concerned that our players may initially look to him too often to get us goals. This is why I want us to play di Maria/Nani on the right in order to provide us with other options than just Depay. I don't want us to do what Bayern did with Robben during van Gaal's first season there.
 
mazhar13 said:
That will only work if we have a right back who will be an attacking threat. Of course, when there's space to take up, we will see di Maria cut inside, but I don't want, say, Mata to play on the right unless we have a right full back who's an attacking threat. The benefit of having wide players who can go outside and inside is that it will keep the opposition full back guessing. In this case, di Maria is perfect for the right wing. What I don't want is what we had at the end of this recent season where we always went left because our right side wasn't really creating chances. Mata and his options were easily closed down, and Valencia got worse going forward towards the end of the season. Herrera, of course, played a more reserved role.

I said what I said before because Bayern were heavily reliant on Robben in van Gaal's first season. Yes, they had Ribery, but he struggled to perform under van Gaal as he suppressed his instincts. This is what I don't want with Depay, and I'm sure this won't happen as di Maria should hopefully be more effective (just like Ribery under van Gaal's second season).
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You're bang on, we need a right back that can do something other than run really, really fast in a straight like. Mata and Herrera have been creating space down that right all season and with a right back who can cross first time or who is confident enough to drive at their left back/left winger when they've been exposed 1-on-1, we could cause some real damage. With Depay on the left Shaw doesn't have to reply on providing the width as much.
 
Watching Depay's clips I like his single-mindedness a lot. I think it's exactly what we need to take the next step. Seems his weak points discussed are his passing and he can over-do things but watching Alexis Sanchez this season I see similarities between Depay and him. Both have the edge about them to take grip of the game and will always demand to be involved. Sanchez's ball retention is not to the level of Ozil and Cazorla but what he gives is the spark to be a constant menace with and without the ball, allowing those two and others to benefit from him occupying defenders.

We lack that spark. RvP in 12/13 had it. Ronaldo. Yorke in the treble season. Cantona. But now it's diminished. The player who raises the level of those around him through his individual brilliance. It's too much to expect a young player like Depay to carry this but if he can come in and show the confidence to be the main man, I think the likes of Mata, Di Maria, Herrera, Januzaj will improve because they suit the supporting cast role better. They want to create however they are reliant on team mates being on the same wavelength. Sanchez is a United mould player. He has the edge to take the responsibility on his shoulders. We missed out on him. I just hope LVG doesn't curb Depay's instincts much. Get the team set up right from the back to midfield and let our front men play.
 
Sonny1972 said:
Jesus he is 21 . Kluivert and Seedorf were a part of Ajax who beat Real Madrid 2x and AC Milan 3x to win the CL 1995.
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So, like me you think that he can be an important player right away?

The good thing with Depay is that what we need from him is his individual brilliance, there is no need for him to overthink, he just needs to be himself on the pitch, the rest of the game will come with time. And I believe that him and Di Maria will benefit from each other.
 
JPRouve said:
So, like me you think that he can be an important player right away?

The good thing with Depay is that what we need from him is his individual brilliance, there is no need for him to overthink, he just needs to be himself on the pitch, the rest of the game will come with time. And I believe that him and Di Maria will benefit from each other.
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Yes , Kluivert and Seedorf were 19 when Ajax won the CL . Depay won't need long to fit in .
 
Sonny1972 said:
Yes , Kluivert and Seedorf were 19 when Ajax won the CL . Depay won't need long to fit in .
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He will definately be eased into the team, and I'm sure he will have a positive impact next season. Expecting him to carry the team might be too much though. He's got all the traits to make it, but he needs to become more consistent to become a top player.
 
Boycott said:
Watching Depay's clips I like his single-mindedness a lot. I think it's exactly what we need to take the next step. Seems his weak points discussed are his passing and he can over-do things but watching Alexis Sanchez this season I see similarities between Depay and him. Both have the edge about them to take grip of the game and will always demand to be involved. Sanchez's ball retention is not to the level of Ozil and Cazorla but what he gives is the spark to be a constant menace with and without the ball, allowing those two and others to benefit from him occupying defenders.

We lack that spark. RvP in 12/13 had it. Ronaldo. Yorke in the treble season. Cantona. But now it's diminished. The player who raises the level of those around him through his individual brilliance. It's too much to expect a young player like Depay to carry this but if he can come in and show the confidence to be the main man, I think the likes of Mata, Di Maria, Herrera, Januzaj will improve because they suit the supporting cast role better. They want to create however they are reliant on team mates being on the same wavelength. Sanchez is a United mould player. He has the edge to take the responsibility on his shoulders. We missed out on him. I just hope LVG doesn't curb Depay's instincts much. Get the team set up right from the back to midfield and let our front men play.
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Yep, you need team players but you also need selfish people who will shoot and take chances when everybody else is passing sideways. Trying to mould Memphis into a team player will ruin his best qualities IMO.
 
Don't underestimate Di Maria, fought off a pack of burglars, assaulted a referee and did a nasty tackle a minute after not getting a card for a challenge on him carded.
 
Wicked_Badger said:
If a player like him is trying to lay paving stones to become a Madrid player then there are easier routes to chose than coming to Man Utd. A top club in Spain (outside Barca/Athletico) or one of the top two in Portugal would be an easier route. It'd be easier to shine in those leagues and Madrid can easier cherry pick those clubs for players. Heck, even staying where he is for a couple of years might have done it.

The other thing is that players move on these days. It's just a fact of life. I dare say that if I was a prem footballer at the top & won trophies over a few years for the club I'd be tempted by a new challenge. Annoying but you can't blame someone for wanting to retire having won things in multiple countries. Plus the money they make by moving too. There's really very little negative to moving around from a players' point of view.
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Madrid go for big names. You can make a lot of buzz playing for United. And if you look at the past few years we have developed quite a few players for Madrid (Beckham, RVN, Ronaldo, Chicharito and now likely De Gea).
 
Eila said:
Madrid go for big names. You can make a lot of buzz playing for United. And if you look at the past few years we have developed quite a few players for Madrid (Beckham, RVN, Ronaldo, Chicharito and now likely De Gea).
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We didn't "develop" Beckham, rvn or hernandez for Madrid ffs :lol:
 
hbgreg said:
Don't underestimate Di Maria, fought off a pack of burglars, assaulted a referee and did a nasty tackle a minute after not getting a card for a challenge on him carded.
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Plus he's an Argie. They're ferocious feckers
 
Eila said:
Madrid go for big names. You can make a lot of buzz playing for United. And if you look at the past few years we have developed quite a few players for Madrid (Beckham, RVN, Ronaldo, Chicharito and now likely De Gea).
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There's so many things wrong with these post, joke is on you lad. :lol:
 
Eila said:
Madrid go for big names. You can make a lot of buzz playing for United. And if you look at the past few years we have developed quite a few players for Madrid (Beckham, RVN, Ronaldo, Chicharito and now likely De Gea).
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Good Lord.
 
Sonny1972 said:
Jesus he is 21 . Kluivert and Seedorf were a part of Ajax who beat Real Madrid 2x and AC Milan 3x to win the CL 1995.
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I always like to remind myself who their manager was as well.
 
JPRouve said:
So, like me you think that he can be an important player right away?

The good thing with Depay is that what we need from him is his individual brilliance, there is no need for him to overthink, he just needs to be himself on the pitch, the rest of the game will come with time. And I believe that him and Di Maria will benefit from each other.
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I don't think so, and you sound like van Gaal is going to build the team around him. He's not that good yet. I think the opposite, he has to fit in first (like Young did) and then try to express himself.
 
Borys said:
I don't think so, and you sound like van Gaal is going to build the team around him. He's not that good yet. I think the opposite, he has to fit in first (like Young did) and then try to express himself.
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At no point I said that Van gaal will build the team around him that's why a specifically said that it was his individual brilliance that will make him important. And for me important means that he will be in our first XIV.
 
I think that Memphis will be a starter even if he's not at his best during his settling period. He needs first team football and won't progress unless he gets it.
 
NoPace said:
Symmetry is overrated. I like the idea of Mata or Di Maria on the right tucking in to help the midfield and use the space that should be created by Depay being pushed pretty high up.

Van Gaal will Van Gaal, but I think if you look at our personnel for 15/16, before we make any more signings, the best front 6 is pretty clearly:

-------Rooney-------
Memphis------------
------Mata--DiMaria
-------Herrera-------
------Carrick/Blind---

or a variation on that with Di Maria central and Mata on the right.

Fellaini and Young are just not on the level of Mata or Di Maria. We can't afford to leave talent off the field
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I agree, young and fellaini are your classic squad players, you could play them together in the carling cup, fa cup games, some PL games, but over playing them every week we get found out. So it is important to get those 2 crucial CM players who can raise the bar in our starting 11, and add the depth and capability's to see us compete with the big guns, and despite depay signed we will need another wide player if Di Maria and nani are both sold.
 
Borys said:
I don't think so, and you sound like van Gaal is going to build the team around him. He's not that good yet. I think the opposite, he has to fit in first (like Young did) and then try to express himself.
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Why can't depay start playing more often from august to october? the thought of seeing the aging young starting more games over depay in the next 2 months, would be a worrying thought, its one of the reasons why we look so limited at times, young and fellaini starting every week. Which is why the club must sign another top class wide player, this gives VG the chance to stop playing squad players like fellaini and young every week, and bring in some top players in these positions. Signing players better than we got, starts with replacing fellaini and young in our starting 11
 
Oneunited26 said:
Why can't depay start playing more often from august to october? the thought of seeing the aging young starting more games over depay in the next 2 months, would be a worrying thought, its one of the reasons why we look so limited at times, young and fellaini starting every week. Which is why the club must sign another top class wide player, this gives VG the chance to stop playing squad players like fellaini and young every week, and bring in some top players in these positions. Signing players better than we got, starts with replacing fellaini and young in our starting 11
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He can, it’s just I don’t think he will. Young has adjusted to van Gaal philosophy very well, his ball retention is good, he works well with the team and his role was very important in the closing stages of this season. I don’t think that Depay is good enough to displace Young from the start. Mind you he is not a top player or super- productive, but it would be naïve to expect that from Depay in his first months here.

I am of the opinion that Memphis is one for the future, I’m not sure he will be a regular starter this season. He’s a little overrated on here in my opinion, but I will be happy if he proves me wrong :smirk:
 
Borys said:
He can, it’s just I don’t think he will. Young has adjusted to van Gaal philosophy very well, his ball retention is good, he works well with the team and his role was very important in the closing stages of this season. I don’t think that Depay is good enough to displace Young from the start. Mind you he is not a top player or super- productive, but it would be naïve to expect that from Depay in his first months here.

I am of the opinion that Memphis is one for the future, I’m not sure he will be a regular starter this season. He’s a little overrated on here in my opinion, but I will be happy if he proves me wrong :smirk:
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He's already 21, a winner of the Dutch league, top scorer, has over 90 first team caps for PSV and 15 appearances with the national team. It's not like he's some kind of academy player. We either signed him to play or we wasted money. I think he's already at a level were he will score many more goals than Young would over the course of a season. I think Memphis right now could score 10 goals for us over a season.

He won't start every game but he will start many, even more if he has an amazing preseason.
 
Kill 'em all said:
He's already 21, a winner of the Dutch league, top scorer, has over 90 first team caps for PSV and 15 appearances with the national team. It's not like he's some kind of academy player. We either signed him to play or we wasted money. I think he's already at a level were he will score many more goals than Young would over the course of a season. I think Memphis right now could score 10 goals for us over a season.

He won't start every game but he will start many, even more if he has an amazing preseason.
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I know what he’s done so far, it is impressive, but from what I’ve seen I’d be surprised if he started ahead of Young from the start of new season.

It’s very likely he will surpass Young in terms of goals though.
 
Borys said:
I know what he’s done so far, it is impressive, but from what I’ve seen I’d be surprised if he started ahead of Young from the start of new season.

It’s very likely he will surpass Young in terms of goals though.
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Everyone will start from the same point, the best player in pre season will start the season.
 
Borys said:
He can, it’s just I don’t think he will. Young has adjusted to van Gaal philosophy very well, his ball retention is good, he works well with the team and his role was very important in the closing stages of this season. I don’t think that Depay is good enough to displace Young from the start. Mind you he is not a top player or super- productive, but it would be naïve to expect that from Depay in his first months here.

I am of the opinion that Memphis is one for the future, I’m not sure he will be a regular starter this season. He’s a little overrated on here in my opinion, but I will be happy if he proves me wrong :smirk:
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Young is still a squad player at best, limited ability and we can do far better than ashley young. Yes he has done well, but better players can adapt to his philosophy. Young is good playing 2 or 3 games out of 6 or 7, but playing young week in week out, same with fellaini we will be in the same situation has last season, getting found out points get dropped, and challenging for the title will be another problem. VG is on limited time, so he has to act fast or he probably will not win the title during his time here, especially if he plays guys like young and fellaini every week during his time here
 
Oneunited26 said:
Young is still a squad player at best, limited ability and we can do far better than ashley young. Yes he has done well, but better players can adapt to his philosophy. Young is good playing 2 or 3 games out of 6 or 7, but playing young week in week out, same with fellaini we will be in the same situation has last season, getting found out points get dropped, and challenging for the title will be another problem. VG is on limited time, so he has to act fast or he probably will not win the title during his time here, especially if he plays guys like young and fellaini every week during his time here
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Obviously everything you said about Young is true. The question is whether Memphis is the player who will play ahead of Young and how important he will be in his first season- I don’t think he’s that good right now.
 
Borys said:
Obviously everything you said about Young is true. The question is whether Memphis is the player who will play ahead of Young and how important he will be in his first season- I don’t think he’s that good right now.
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Even as part of a team, when you think of Memphis, Angel, Ashley and Nani, that is a lot of attacking talent out wide. They can all play either side as well. The fact Angel can also play inside gives us quite a lot of creativity. All we need is a striker that can put the ball in the net consistently. As for how good is he, he looks a level above Adnan already, so maybe Adnan should do a Nani and go to Europe for a year to get some form and develop a bit more.
 
Eila said:
Madrid go for big names. You can make a lot of buzz playing for United. And if you look at the past few years we have developed quite a few players for Madrid (Beckham, RVN, Ronaldo, Chicharito and now likely De Gea).
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Hm we 'developed' RVN, Beckham and Chicharito for Madrid?
Interesting post although it's completely and utterly wrong.:rolleyes:

Memphis hasnt started a game for us and people are already panicking about him leaving for Madrid.
Fe.k it, lets just transfer him there right away.
 
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