Memphis Depay | PSV confirm deal with Man Utd is agreed!

Status
Not open for further replies.
Devil may care said:
I've watched a few PSV games this season and all of the Dutch qualifiers, when you look at him tonight and then look at Hazard and Bale tonight and Sterling last night, he looks a couple of notches below all 3 and doesn't attack with the ball nearly enough.

If he is signed then so be it, but I wouldn't be losing a lot of sleep if I was Ashley Young, I don't see him coming in and blowing the league away.
:(
Click to expand...

Must admit I'm in the same camp as you. Whenever I have watched him I get the same opinion, he does have good potential but I'm not sure he would ever get to the Bale / Ronaldo type level, that's not saying he won't be a very good player in the end up though.
 
Watched him last night, had a very quiet game. It could've just been an off night for him though as it was one to forget for the Dutch national team as a whole.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
The Dutch Tom Cleverley :drool:



To you perhaps, definitely not in my eyes.

@Raees

To be fair to Max, he does openly admit to being a biased PSV fan.
Click to expand...

The bigger point is NL has seen him play for years and watched his development, in contrast to the tedious "he plays in the Dutch league and can't therefore be that good" punters who stick their beaks into these discussions.
 
Raoul said:
The bigger point is NL has seen him play for years and watched his development, in contrast to the tedious "he plays in the Dutch league and can't therefore be that good" punters who stick their beaks into these discussions.
Click to expand...

He might be good enough, he might not. Max is the best source in the thread for Depay info, I agree. I am not averse to signing him at all. I just struggle to see any legitimate reasoning in signing him over Bale.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
He might be good enough, he might not. Max is the best source in the thread for Depay info, I agree. I am not averse to signing him at all. I just struggle to see any legitimate reasoning in signing him over Bale.
Click to expand...

I'm not averse to signing Bale either, in fact I don't see it as a one or the other debate. The problem with Bale is he would cost at least twice what Depay would, but certainly if any club would be willing to do it, us City and Chelsea certainly would, and if it comes down to it, I would much rather we bought him.
 
Raoul said:
The bigger point is NL has seen him play for years and watched his development, in contrast to the tedious "he plays in the Dutch league and can't therefore be that good" punters who stick their beaks into these discussions.
Click to expand...

Or worse, the "I don't watch PSV or the Netherlands but he's never really impressed me."
 
People wanting that 'Hazard' style winger, doesn't Januzaj possess a similar set of skills?

Clearly not on the same level, but there are similarities.

Imagine Januzaj and Delay fulfilling the potential they undoubtedly have in our team on opposite wings.

Edit: grammar
 
I don't see many similarities between Januzaj and Hazard. One's strong attributes are the other's weak ones, if anything.
 
Walrus said:
Depay just reminds me of a young Nani, and we all know how that worked out. Sometimes playing in a weak league makes it easy for attacking players to look like the next Messi. I am not saying that Depay definitely wont turn out any good. I am simply saying that there is a substantial risk involved, whilst some on here are convinced that he is the next big thing. I havent really seen enough of him to make a detailed, accurate judgement - but the very fact that I havent seen or heard that much of him this season suggests to me that he isnt performing at such a high level that the world is suddenly taking notice. When it was Hazard a few years back, he was the talk of the town for basically the entire season before moving.
Click to expand...
Wierd thing to say

23 goals in 34 games
 
GloryHunter07 said:
Wierd thing to say

23 goals in 34 games
Click to expand...

And yet I just dont see the big furor around him just yet.

Depay may go on to become the next Hazard or so (I use Hazard as a comparison not for similarities in their playstyle, but rather their stature and the that the hope would be for Depay to make the same sort of step up and impact that Hazard did when he got his move), but its far from a sure thing. The way that people on here go on about him [Depay] is ridiculous in my eyes - but then that is typical caf overrating/underrating players.

@Devil may care sums up my thoughts pretty well - hey may make a step up, he may not. I dont feel what he has accomplished thus far justifies the amount of hype and attention he is getting on here, with people treating him as though he must be our #1 priority for the summer. Comparisons with the likes of Bale are ridiculous - Bale has already achieved a level higher than Depay may ever do, and has proven that he can perform at that level in the PL. More expensive obviously, but there should be no contest in my eyes over which one we try to sign.
 
Bubz27 said:
People wanting that 'Hazard' style winger, doesn't Januzaj possess a similar set of skills?

Clearly not on the same level, but there are similarities.

Imagine Januzaj and Delay fulfilling the potential they undoubtedly have in our team on opposite wings.

Edit: grammar
Click to expand...

Hazard's acceleration is on another level, obviously. Januzaj possibly has the potential to match his technical ability. Adnan's decision-making this season hasn't been great, but i see that as him desperately trying to prove his worth when getting the opportunity to play, thus overdoing it in certain actions of play.

Haven't watched much of Depay but the posters that have describe him as a direct inside forward and the games i've watched him, he has been just that. Depay/Januzaj combined have a lot of attributes that make up Hazard's abilities and not getting Depay in the summer will probably have us regret we didn't sign him (if this scenario happens). The versatility they could provide in a future attack is exciting.

To have Mata on the right next season means (to me) we should aim for a more direct left winger who will give us goals (not that Mata doesn't give us goals..). Depay has the makings to be that player but he probably won't be ready to take that step just yet.

If we can sign Depay and a proven world beater with Bale the obvious choice, that would set us up nicely for the future. The other side of the coin is that players in similar positions will have to leave. Young has deserved a role as squad player and he'll be handy to have around. What then happens to Di Maria is the big question. He works better in a counter-attacking setup than in a possession-based one. If we are primarily going to play possession football, where does he fit in? I don't see him in central midfield.
 
I remember when we were in the hunt for Hazard when he was at Lille and a lot of people were saying the same, not impressed, not fast enough, every time I watch him he has had a bad game etc (same with Moura as well). For me Memphis has been even more impressive than Hazard before the Chelsea move.
We need a youtube highlight video I feel.
 
Gambit said:
I remember when we were in the hunt for Hazard when he was at Lille and a lot of people were saying the same, not impressed, not fast enough, every time I watch him he has had a bad game etc (same with Moura as well). For me Memphis has been even more impressive than Hazard before the Chelsea move.
We need a youtube highlight video I feel.
Click to expand...


How do we know he will be more like Hazard than Moura (who hasn't exactly lit it up at PSG) ?
 
I'd say traditionally we are a more nurturing environment than PSG have been for Lucas. The fact it would actually be our manager wanting him rather than whatever Leonardo meant to PSG when they signed Lucas.
Also the move from Brazil to France is bigger than Holland to England.

Not saying he'll turn out more like Hazard buy theres a better chance he's a success than Lucas has been, IMO.
 
Raoul said:
How do we know he will be more like Hazard than Moura (who hasn't exactly lit it up at PSG) ?
Click to expand...
We never will until he gets here. I believe he will be a hit. He is fast no matter what everyone tries to say. Technically brilliant. He has the upper body strength needed and is a bugger to knock off the ball before he even gets to the prem', something I couldn't say about Hazard.
 
Gambit said:
We never will until he gets here. I believe he will be a hit. He is fast no matter what everyone tries to say. Technically brilliant. He has the upper body strength needed and is a bugger to knock off the ball before he even gets to the prem', something I couldn't say about Hazard.
Click to expand...

I definitely agree he will be a star wherever he goes and I wouldn't want him going to the likes of Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, or Spurs. I think the main thing with him will be to balance his creativity with team play, same as it was with early CR7 and Nani for much his career. Learning when to turn individual creativity on and off for the better good of the team.

Edit. In before NL Max
 
Walrus said:
And yet I just dont see the big furor around him just yet.

Depay may go on to become the next Hazard or so (I use Hazard as a comparison not for similarities in their playstyle, but rather their stature and the that the hope would be for Depay to make the same sort of step up and impact that Hazard did when he got his move), but its far from a sure thing. The way that people on here go on about him [Depay] is ridiculous in my eyes - but then that is typical caf overrating/underrating players.

@Devil may care sums up my thoughts pretty well - hey may make a step up, he may not. I dont feel what he has accomplished thus far justifies the amount of hype and attention he is getting on here, with people treating him as though he must be our #1 priority for the summer. Comparisons with the likes of Bale are ridiculous - Bale has already achieved a level higher than Depay may ever do, and has proven that he can perform at that level in the PL. More expensive obviously, but there should be no contest in my eyes over which one we try to sign.
Click to expand...

As I'm probably the one who has seem the most of him, I agree with you. My posts are to give everyone a rough idea about him. He's not at Bale's level, not in the slightest.

He's still a young talent. The reason I think we should get him is because he's a real gem who COULD be the next Ronaldo. In 1,5 years he's completely changed for the better. He left his mentality problems behind (with help of van Gaal) and became a real team player. He's very clearly ironing out all his weak parts at an incredible rate. He's nowhere near the finished product, but if he keeps up his progression he could become it in a few years time. This is why I think we should get him now, buying young players is always a gamble but Memphis isn't the ordinary winger talent. He seems to have that bit extra, he's got the physicality and drive to make it to the top. I think van Gaal could really help him develop so he becomes a starter in 2 years time. Especially since PSV confirmed he's leaving I think we can't pass up on him.

He is an investment, a gamble that I think is worth it. He won't be an immediate upgrade like Bale, but I doubt we can afford Bale together with the other holes we have to fill in the squad. It's just from a realistic POV. Also I personally believe he will be a star where ever he goes next. You never know this for sure, and I'm not saying that he will be guaranteed.
 
Raoul said:
I definitely agree he will be a star wherever he goes and I wouldn't want him going to the likes of Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, or Spurs. I think the main thing with him will be to balance his creativity with team play, same as it was with early CR7 and Nani for much his career. Learning when to turn individual creativity on and off for the better good of the team.

Edit. In before NL Max
Click to expand...
He's already shown an improvement in his decision making this season. Last season he was practically trying to do everything on his own. This year PSV feel more like a team effort. Get him here and lets carry on that training.
 
Gambit said:
He's already shown an improvement in his decision making this season. Last season he was practically trying to do everything on his own. This year PSV feel more like a team effort. Get him here and lets carry on that training.
Click to expand...

Yeah he has improved considerably it seems. There is always that Zaha concern of whether he will be able to bring the tricks to the next level whilst maintaining a team approach. I'm sure he will improve more yet under LvG.
 
Raoul said:
I definitely agree he will be a star wherever he goes and I wouldn't want him going to the likes of Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, or Spurs. I think the main thing with him will be to balance his creativity with team play, same as it was with early CR7 and Nani for much his career. Learning when to turn individual creativity on and off for the better good of the team.

Edit. In before NL Max
Click to expand...

This is exactly the point he needs to improve to become a top player. He can already do everything in attack but just needs to choose his moments a bit better. This is already his most improved part of his game in the last 1,5 years though!

He's clearly become a team player who picks his moments to make something happen. He'll happily only beat his man once in a game if it does mean he'll score from that chance. Only when PSV need him the most he will try it more often with risks. That's why I have no doubt about him improving this even further in future.
 
Raoul said:
How do we know he will be more like Hazard than Moura (who hasn't exactly lit it up at PSG) ?
Click to expand...
It did take him a while but Lucas did step it up this season for PSG. Just unfortunately got injured a while back.
 
Steven Seagull said:
He looks more technically refined than Zaha from what I've seen, who looked dangerous but was usually running down blind alleys hoping for a light at the end.
Click to expand...

Yes, and Zaha at no Point in his career have come Close to being as productive as Depay is which is a big difference when comparing the two. That being said, I don't think that Zaha is as big of a fraud as most on here believe and I think he might still become a good player. Depay is leaps and bounds more promising though.
 
DWelbz19 said:
It did take him a while but Lucas did step it up this season for PSG. Just unfortunately got injured a while back.
Click to expand...
I rate him. Can be a joy to watch with his blistering pace and technique.



Ideally you'd like to see him score more goals but he seems to be more of an assister anyways. He has very good crossing as well.
 
The Stain said:
I rate him. Can be a joy to watch with his blistering pace and technique.



Ideally you'd like to see him score more goals but he seems to be more of an assister anyways. He has very good crossing as well.
Click to expand...

scored 23 this season
 
So I take it he's a technically limited(relatively speaking) speed merchant? I haven't seen much of him but that's the sense I get from this thread.
 
RooneyLegend said:
So I take it he's a technically limited(relatively speaking) speed merchant? I haven't seen much of him but that's the sense I get from this thread.
Click to expand...

He doesn't strike me as technically limited. On the contrary, he's a bag of tricks with an end product.
 
RooneyLegend said:
So I take it he's a technically limited(relatively speaking) speed merchant? I haven't seen much of him but that's the sense I get from this thread.
Click to expand...

Depends on how you define technical. He's technical in the sense that Ronaldo and Bale are technical. His technique when striking the ball is great and he's a good dribbler although he perhaps lacks the close control of say Messi or Hazard.
 
The general standard in the Eredivisie is understandably not up to par with the top standard. Therefore it is ( from a logical perspective) fair to have some doubts regarding an Eredivisie player making an impact abroad. In 2013 there was a survey with the main conclusion that 95% of the young talented players from our league (from 2003-2013) who tried their luck abroad failed to succeed. Some examples are,

Bruma, (Chelsea 2007)

Rekik (City 2011)

Ebecilio (Arsenal 2010)

Van Aanholt (Chelsea 2007)

Brouwer (Liverpool 2007)

Van Velzen ( Manchester United 2010)

Weijl ( Liverpool 2008)

Ekong ( Tottenham 2010)

Ake (Chelsea 2011)

One could argue that the players from the list above were signed at a tender age and would they have first developed in their own league they would have better papers to succeed. Besides, there are players among that list ( Ake for example) who potentially could still get a second chance. On the other hand, we can also produce a list regarding players who who had outgrown the league and were ready for a new step in their career, but unfortunately none of them made the desired impact.

- Aissaidi (Liverpool)

- Ruiz (Fulham)

- Luuk de Jong (Newcastle)

- Van Ginkel (Chelsea)

- Elia (HSV, Juventus and now Southampton)

- Arnautovic ( (Inter Milan and now Stoke)

Above players were bossing their positions in the Eredivisie and were described to have a bright future ahead and unfortunately at least 95% of those players failed to make an impact and now enjoy their careers at lower classified clubs.

My point is simple. Depay could be one of those misfits, but having seen him since his debut under Fred Rutten (2011) i can only conclude that he has all the attributes to make an impact abroad. His strengths have been discussed already here, but the most refreshing aspect of his career thus far is the mentality change. He is developing into a team player and i have high hopes for the kid. Blistering speed, physical presence, technical one versus one skill, shooting abilities you name it. He has had some bad experiences while growing up ( child abuse etc.), but managed to use his street mentality to keep his head high and develop an independent character. That is one of the main reasons i put Memphis ( he does not like to be called Depay, because of his experiences with his father) above the players that were listed above. If he fails abroad, dear me, The Eredivisie might as well stop producing players.
 
RooneyLegend said:
So I take it he's a technically limited(relatively speaking) speed merchant? I haven't seen much of him but that's the sense I get from this thread.
Click to expand...

He is something very close from Cristiano Ronaldo, he is trickery player who is cleaning his game and try to be as much effective as he can, he is trying to become a consistent goalscorer from the wings.
 
@LazyRed-Ninja

I think that that is actually pretty irrelevant to the case of Depay and that you're overanalysing when you look so deep into it. We've seen that successful players in the eredivise can be successful in the PL with Vertonghen, Eriksen and Blind. Tadic, Chadli and Pellè came with lesser reputations and while they've been far from brilliant they've at times shown that they can perform capably in the PL.
 
JohnnyLaw said:
@LazyRed-Ninja

I think that that is actually pretty irrelevant to the case of Depay and that you're overanalysing when you look so deep into it. We've seen that successful players in the eredivise can be successful in the PL with Vertonghen, Eriksen and Blind. Tadic, Chadli and Pellè came with lesser reputations and while they've been far from brilliant they've at times shown that they can perform capably in the PL.
Click to expand...

My main point was mainly to state that we have witnessed more misfits then fits from the Eredivisie. When you scale the both parties the category misfits will bear more weight. From the players you mentioned, Tadic and Pelle have made an admirable start and Chadli has not really been the leathal product yet, no ?

''I think that that is actually pretty irrelevant to the case of Depay''

I have to disagree with you there, because many members on this forum have not seen Depay play and therefore have a fair right to be doubtful whether he is not just another misfit from the Eredivisie. Statistics show that there are more failures then successes, but i was quick to state that i place Depay higher then the players i mentioned on that list.
 
Im not saying he will ever become even close to Ronaldo. But from any talent in the world out there, hes your best prototype to make one.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.