It's looking like it. Not because Januzaj is a bad loan but because Memphis doesn't anywhere good enough to make impact in the league.
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Officially worried now about Memphis.
It's still really early days and I think he will come good, but he was woeful on Sunday and he's not been much better all season. Might take him a while to get going.
It's still really early days and I think he will come good, but he was woeful on Sunday and he's not been much better all season. Might take him a while to get going.
Memphis is nowhere near the level of talent of Pogba as well.There're a lot of top scorers in the Dutch league that turned out to be average/shit in England (not saying he will as I have high expectation for him long-term).And if you're comparing Pereira and Januzaj to <insert random United youngster who now plays for Wolves/Chester/Wigan> then you're the clueless one here.People should judge young players on which attributes they possess that can make a difference for them at top level, not these "what have they done" bollocks.
Pretty sickening the fair weather support some of our players get.
It makes for grim reading, sure, but at the end of the day, the players don't see us bitching and moaning on the Caf. One would hope we're not like the eejits who bombard their twitter pages after an abject performance.
It just highlights the scourge of instant gratification muppets that scamper into these threads like a swarm of locusts every time a player mis kicks a ball. Everything that's wrong with football in the social media age imo.
True.
That's not really the case is it? No player should be beyond criticism, he's been rightly called out for playing poorly for about 10 out of 13 games. Most people want him to be benched, which is a fair argument for an underperforming player, there's only a minority saying he's rubbish.
You cannot possibly know the degree of talent Depay has by looking at his progress at United so far because he's clearly been nowhere near his best. He might not be on Pogba's level but he's certainly got significant potential and I'd say more players who did as well as him in Holland went on to be good elsewhere than not. You had the odd Kezman or Afonso Alves but they were limited players who managed to rack up great numbers thanks to good support cast at their teams compared to other Eredivisie sides, Depay didn't really rely on support to similar extent.
Pereira and Januzaj are yet to prove themselves at any level. Januzaj has shown glimpses of true talent but Pereira has not played any amount of professional football that would make it possible to assess his level. Let's wait until he makes a breakthrough before we start comparing him with Dutch international with over 100 senior games. Depay has been poor so far here but it's 10 games into the season, the amount of stick he's receiving is absurd.
Who said players should not be criticized ? BTW, the fact that anyone has counted the amount of games he has "underperformed" in is a bit creepy and depressing, and just underscores my point.
Looking at these threads it's like a players are immune to having bad games.
Not really, he's been that bad you can count the number of good performances in one hand and minus that from the total games he played which is conveniently found on the top of the page, it's not rocket science and not creepy at all.
If he continues to play poorly he will be criticised, just like any other underperforming player.
This isn't about criticism - it's about the instant gratification psychology that underpins how we discuss player performances.
People asking for him to be benched is a reasonable assessment, it's nothing to do with being fair weathered.
I agree it's madness to expect things from him straight away, there's only a minority of posters who have written him off. Most posters have agreed he needs time to prove himself, but should be dropped.
That's a fair criticism imo. Writing him off isn't.
Which I agree with. Players like Memphis, Martial, Perreira, Januzaj, McNair etc are still very young and can't be expected to consistently perform like they're in the prime of their respective careers. They will blow hot and cold and we have to be patient with that process.
There's no patience with fans these days cause everyone's looking for instant gratification. You can't expect a young player to have consistent games week in week out, not blow hot then cold and at the same time call for them to be benched. How does a club grow if it's own fans can't get behind the young players who are coming through from the academy or a 19 or 20 year old who wants to succeed at the club?
But he's barely even done that, so what's your point really? He hasn't been blowing hot and cold, he's been mostly just cold, besides like 2 games.
That's not the point - the point is young players are not going to be consistent. They will have poor performances to compliment good ones and we should be looking at their long term development instead of kneejerking into these threads with ridiculous negativity each time they make a mistake.
No i'm retarded but thanks for noticing
Yeh I couldnt agree more, of course everyone would have wanted more from the off because of his talent but that's still not an excuse to seemingly want to hang him.
Absolutely nobody should be surprised by his play of late. He's a youngster in his first season with us, playing regularly at that.
He's had some good matches but even though overall he hasn't been great, people need to understand that this will take time. As in years. At the beginning of the year if you had told me we'd have had the results we've had, I would have taken them (minus Arsenal). We're in a good position, and it's a great opportunity for Memphis to kick on and learn.
It's not his fault that Januzaj/any other competition doesn't exist. It's clear to me that he needs to be protected, which he isn't and as a result could suffer from burnout. Nevertheless, I expect him to receive more support than he has.
He's had some good matches but even though overall he hasn't been great, people need to understand that this will take time. As in years. At the beginning of the year if you had told me we'd have had the results we've had, I would have taken them (minus Arsenal). We're in a good position, and it's a great opportunity for Memphis to kick on and learn.
It's not his fault that Januzaj/any other competition doesn't exist. It's clear to me that he needs to be protected, which he isn't and as a result could suffer from burnout. Nevertheless, I expect him to receive more support than he has.
With Adnan you can see what he excels at he's just not quite there yet but with Depay it's hard to see what he excels at. Time will tell but he's not blowing hot and cold more cold and cold. He's young and in his first season so patience is the key but going on what we have seen so far I've yet to be impressed with his potential.
He is young and adapting to a new league but right now he should not be starting games for us. Other than Brugge, he has been terrible.
I have seen glimpses from him that give me faith in him but at the moment every time he has the ball he just seems to give it away.
For the time being I think Young should ahead of him in the pecking order.
I have seen glimpses from him that give me faith in him but at the moment every time he has the ball he just seems to give it away.
For the time being I think Young should ahead of him in the pecking order.
He is a bit of Nani and a bit of Balotelli.
Said it before we signed him and got slated for it. He is the most overrated, over hyped young player around and is now being found out. He is average in every aspect. Cant ever see him becoming a great player like many people expected.
He's nothing like either of those players whatsoever.
The Cafe is strange at times. Unanimously think Mourinho should be given time yet have written off a young player in a new league after a couple of poor performances. It was obviously going to be a difficult transition for him and he has shown enough flashes in his performances to suggest he can live up to his potential. Just give him some time.
Exactly!
Yeah, I mentioned this a couple of weeks back. He just looks far to bulky atm, he's really struggling to get round defenders.
He seems to have gone the 'Ronaldo route' of trying to bulk up as much as possible, maybe to adjust to the physical nature of the PL, but his agility and flexibility have taken a hit as a result. He certainly looks a lot bigger then he did last season.
Hes not struggling to get round them because of his bulk, infact when he takes players on and goes down the left he more than often beats the man.
Problem is, he is clearly seriously heavily one footed, which makes playing LW in the PL as a right footer, quite an issue, as we all know he is going to cut back onto his right and attempt to pass or cross instead of taking his man down the line and skining him.
Apart from the confidence and poor first touch and other silly stuff. His main issue atm is that when he gets the ball down the left wing he is far too predictable
In an interview on his physique:
'I do everything to keep my body in a topcondition, I don't want to become too big because I still need to be agile and keep my flexibility. I'm not in the gym everyday, I just maintain it (my muscles) and some of it is genetics.' (the latter is true)
The guy has been a physical beast ahead of his age group since his childhood, I don't think bulking down now when he's 21 would dramatically improve his performances somehow. He never was a dribbler like Nani/Hazard and bulking down won't make him into that. He also has professional coaches at the club and in his private life, I'm pretty sure we can trust their advice to him.
I wonder if the bulkiness was why LvG was hoping to make him fit as a #10, the physique in that role would be more useful.
I do believe his future role will be striker (not necessarily "number 9").Seems his attributes are more fitting with that role than on the wing.The nearer he is to the goal the more dangerous he can be.Not for this season though.
One is proven and one isn't.
That's bloody hilarious coming from a Nani fan you was arguably one of the most frustrating players we have ever had. I would like to know how you can call his last season at PSV average considering the amount and versatility of goals he scored. Like many on here you were probably expecting someone with excellent dribbling like hazard or sterling but he's nothing like that kind of player. Instead he will develop into a pacy,strong and brilliant wide forward of that I'm sure.
Fair enough, you – as many others – base your opinion on what he did for PSV in last two seasons. There’s no doubt he’s achieved more than Januzaj and Pereira, nobody would question that. However, I like rating players potential when I see them play - I feel like Januzaj and Pereira have all the tools to become very good players, but they need some playing time to put it all together, improve decision making etc. From what I’ve seen, Memphis needs to improve significantly a lot of aspects of his game to become good player for us- right now he has too many weak spots. I know he was fantastic last season, but he was playing a) for counter attacking team and b) in much weaker league.
Since day one he is struggling in the Premier League. Is it that unrealistic to say that either of Januzaj/Pereira, given so much playing time as Memphis did, would get at least the same number of goals and assists in the Premier League? With one goal (tap in) and one assist (rebound after hitting the post- squawka and whoscored say 0 but lets give him that) in 8 games, the bar is not very high.
I'll leave Pereira out of this, as he's just not been tested at this level, and for all we know could be better than the other two.
But how do Memphis's stats, that you are focussing on, compare to Adnan's goals and assists? Both are players with amazing potential, but a whle lot to learn to turn it into end product. I cannot say that Adnan has proved any more ready right now than Memphis does.
Edit: Goals wise, it's 5 from 60 vs 4 from 13 in their United careers. You can fill in the assists.
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