Think its time he losses his starting place, hes a brilliant player but he has a lot to learn and is far too immature to be starting every game.
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Feck me Raees it's you that is coming across as clueless here. You cannot at this moment say he is better than Nani or has ever been better at Nani at any stage of their careers so far. Martial taking the limelight should be a blessing for Depay and your other point we are discussing Depay not Rooney in this thread.
All of this. It's good to be positive, but Memphis doesn't show to much promise. I just don't think he has the talent to make it here. We currently really need attacking players with speed and great technique. Memphis doesn't show much signs of having these attributes. I hope I'll be proved wrong, but I don't have much faith.
One thing is adjusting to the league but another, bigger issue is this:
But I wonder what is so special about him that we send Januzaj on loan and made him our starter. Don’t see it, and I still maintain that both Januzaj and Pereira have much more potential than Depay.
He might turn out good but I actually have my doubts over him, at the moment he doesn’t possess any winger attributes, and if he is to play as a striker then we already have one who is a couple of levels above him.
I said it at the beginning, he looks like a player whose assets let him thrive in counter attacking system where he could find much more space to cut in and shoot. It was obvious that it’ll be difficult for him to adjust, so level of current performances isn’t really unexpected. I am more surprised how much van Gaal is playing him.
But I wonder what is so special about him that we send Januzaj on loan and made him our starter. Don’t see it, and I still maintain that both Januzaj and Pereira have much more potential than Depay.
He might turn out good but I actually have my doubts over him, at the moment he doesn’t possess any winger attributes, and if he is to play as a striker then we already have one who is a couple of levels above him.
Calls people clueless and then proceeds to say Depay is definitely better than Nani! Give your head a fecking wobble. Depay will do very well to reach the heights Young and Valencia have in their careers nevermind Nani.
True. No idea where this myth of him being a very good dribbler came from. I think he has some good tricks and turns in his locker ((See the PSV game) but as a dribbler he's not very good in general. His strengths lie elsewhere.
I think his decision making is poor. He doesn't have a clue when it makes sense to dribble and when it is pointless to do it.
His work rate was pathetic esp when the sh!t hit the fan and we needed him to work harder.
He wants to strut around on the left wing like he is Ronaldo, sorry Memphis you have to earn that right by producing like Ronaldo, until then get your head down and work.
He wants to strut around on the left wing like he is Ronaldo, sorry Memphis you have to earn that right by producing like Ronaldo, until then get your head down and work.
So much for giving the lad time then, Utd fans on here will never change
course the kid needs time, but he does need a massive kick up the arse after yesterday, its one thing to take time to adapt to the higher quality of the premiership, its quite another not to support your team mates at all, which he didn't yesterday.
I agree with giving him time, i think we need to give him a fair go before passing final judgement, LVG warned us at the start of the season not to expect too much in his first season.
I think people are also expecting too much after seeing the way Martial has started.
What is frustrating the fans is despite him being so poor he's still starting, he needs to be benched.
Of course he needs to get playing time. But that doesnt mean every PL,CL and Cup match.
He should be a bench player for the moment.
Thing is, we don't really have that many other options.
Unless LVG decides to give Wilson a run and perhaps move Martial to LW, then Depay will probably continue to start.
Thing is, we don't really have that many other options.
Unless LVG decides to give Wilson a run and perhaps move Martial to LW, then Depay will probably continue to start.
Young should play there.
Well, I agree, but apparently LVG sees Young more as a replacement LB at the moment - a move I predicted in another thread would see us come undone. Unbelievable. Young was slaughtered forever on this forum, and frankly, he's still a very average player who's had a few decent games when our star of the future as failed and been hauled off. Young is a bit of a false dawn if you ask me, but is definitely a winger, one who should replace Depay at the moment, rather than a full back.
He has got talent but I do not see the huge potential like some others. I also do not see him reaching the level of the often slated Nani at his peak. The direct comparison to Martial does not do him any good either.
With our limited options I would still keep him in the starting 11 and hope he proves his doubters wrong.
In the worst case we might need at least 2 attacking players next summer.
With our limited options I would still keep him in the starting 11 and hope he proves his doubters wrong.
In the worst case we might need at least 2 attacking players next summer.
Agree Young is average but he was one of our better players last year and is rediculous how Memphis is starting over him despite hoe poor he has been. I agree Young is not the long term solution but in our current pool of players he is the best option available.
It's also stupid playing him at LB when we have Jones fit, Blind or Darmian can play LB, i don't think that excuse cuts that playing him LB is our only option. Overall Shaw getting injured is one of the worst things to happen to the team.
His big problem is that he has the work ethic of Ronaldo however, he just isn't providing anything down the other end of the pitch to warrant the lack of work rate. If Memphis was performing to his abilities upfront, I'm not sure anyone would be that bothered by his lack of defensive work.
Agree, pretty much what i said earlier.
He's only looked good when he's been afforded enough space to make it easy for him.
Looking back on his PSV highlights from last season, he looks fantastic on the break, when he he defenders running back towards their goal. Shame this hardly ever happens to us due to the snail paced build up play we employ.
What's the point of having players like Depay and Martial if you're not going to play to their strengths? fecking madness.
Looking back on his PSV highlights from last season, he looks fantastic on the break, when he he defenders running back towards their goal. Shame this hardly ever happens to us due to the snail paced build up play we employ.
What's the point of having players like Depay and Martial if you're not going to play to their strengths? fecking madness.
I think his attitude so far has told me everything I need to know about him. He doesn't have that mentality and work rate needed to be one of the best IMO.
I've been really disappointed by him, and must say I agree in some of the posts questioning what he brings to us, Because apart from being a winger that occasionally chips in with a goal, I also struggle to see it.
I've been really disappointed by him, and must say I agree in some of the posts questioning what he brings to us, Because apart from being a winger that occasionally chips in with a goal, I also struggle to see it.
His bad form coincides with Luke Shaw's absence from the squad. Luke helped him a lot in the attacking third of the pitch, taking defenders away with his speed and providing another point of attack.
He's been poorer since Luke's injury. Also, Memphis is not as quick as I thought he would be. Playing the wing or inside forward well you need to be quick. It's a big part of playing in that position. Before the injury, Luke provided that pace and gave more room for Memphis to operate.
He's been poorer since Luke's injury. Also, Memphis is not as quick as I thought he would be. Playing the wing or inside forward well you need to be quick. It's a big part of playing in that position. Before the injury, Luke provided that pace and gave more room for Memphis to operate.
Is he really an upgrade on Nani?. I believe Nani at his age was better and had a terrific first season with us.
I think Nani was better than Memphis is now when he arrived. Nani was good though to be fair, he just never developed the consistency.
Nani was less frustrating in my opinion because he was always trying to provide for teammates in matches. Sure he got it wrong plenty of times, but he was trying to make that killer pass or cross to set up a teammate.
Depay seems like he's going to make very average passes (often misplaced) and weak crosses and only really come alive when he can shoot himself and perhaps get on the scoresheet. He doesnt track back more than Nani either. It definitely looks like a mistake not to keep Nani to compete for his place
Depay seems like he's going to make very average passes (often misplaced) and weak crosses and only really come alive when he can shoot himself and perhaps get on the scoresheet. He doesnt track back more than Nani either. It definitely looks like a mistake not to keep Nani to compete for his place
He's lacking confidence, and he's the type of player SAF could make feel 10 ft tall. I don't know if LvG will be able to do the same.
Give him time to do what? He's started 12 of our 13 games this season, and been very poor in 8 or 9 of them. Consistently playing him, every week, doesn't send the right message to him or the rest of the team. He's, essentially, being told that he'll start no matter his performances. At his age, he needs to be taken away from the first team and relegated to the bench, for a while. The lack of effort yesterday was appalling and he MUST learn from his mistakes. However, this cannot achieved by starting him again next time round.
I'm not the biggest Young fan, and haven't always been impressed by him, however, Memphis can learn so much from him. Whilst Memphis was being a lazy sh*t, yesterday, Young was working his arse off to track Bellerin and Ramsey as well trying to get forward to instigate some sort of comeback. We desperately needed Memphis to give everything he had, but he failed woefully, and that cannot be excused. And please don't try the "he's Young" excuse. His performance, or lack of, wasn't acceptable. He needs to be dropped, and if he doesn't, then something is wrong behind the scenes.
I'm all for starting him, even if he's playing poorly, but not after yesterdays effort.
i dont think he is lacking in confidence, the kid has bags of confidence, every time he gets it he feels like he can do it all himself, he needs to learn at the moment he can't.
also needs to learn he isnt good enough not to track back, think right now over confidence maybe one of the kids problems
He probably should sit out a while. Taking a youngster out of the firing line sounds good to me.
He needs to get his act together, hes missing Shaw badly though at the moment and Schewinsteger was all over the pitch so Depay was getting double teamed constantly.
Even with that though he wasnt giving any cover to the defense which is a worry.
Even with that though he wasnt giving any cover to the defense which is a worry.
Maybe the problem with that is our lack of quality options on the wings? It's not his fault, that most of the fans and seemingly LVG put too much hopes/pressure on him to be a hit straight away. We should have added at least one more good player on the flanks to avoid that scenario.
The lazy as sh*t part applies to Mata on the other side too and most others didn't exactly covered themselves in glory yesterday either, so why single out Memphis?
Don't know why most people are surprised that he didn't take the league by storm, because it is just natural for a player with his skillset and style to struggle first. Someone who plays it safe, like Darmian for example, is more likely to make a smooth transition to another league. Memphis is a risk taker, a dribbler and someone who is willing to make things happen every time he receives the ball. That style of play, especially for a young player who just joined the club from a lower league, is predestined to be frustrating at first.
He has all the attributes to become a really good player and what surprised me most was his attitude. He comes across as someone who demands a lot from himself, which is a good thing in the long run, but right now it seems to hamper him in some way. You can see it after every misplaced attempt, that he quarrels with himself. He just needs to calm down a bit, enjoy his football and the rest will come with time. If he once starts going, he won't look back.
But in the meantime the best thing the fans can do, is to support and be patient with him.
1 - why single him out? Well it's the Depay thread - did I miss something?
2 - all the attributes? I see a lack of pace, bad decision making i.e. he's not an instinctive player and a work rate that leaves something to be desired.
So far he has not shown me that he has anything that matches the hype.
English football is so different to european football and with LVGs tactics of boring other teams to death somehow you feel that Depay's chances of being a big success are diminishing rapidly.
Calls people clueless and then proceeds to say Depay is definitely better than Nani! Give your head a fecking wobble. Depay will do very well to reach the heights Young and Valencia have in their careers nevermind Nani.
Right.. sure. Well we shall see, the battle lines have been drawn clearly when it comes to peoples perception of Depay. I look forward to reading your thoughts on Depay in a few more years.
Makes loaning out Januzaj such a stupid decision.
He needs to be benched. Let's be honest, he came into the team and was gifted a starting spot despite Young being solid last season. Memphis looks as if he thinks he has already made the Ronaldo level. He doesn't track back at all, and that was fine when Luke Shaw was at LB but without Shaw Memphis has to work. If he doesn't want to work then he's gotta go. Some cameo appearances will be good for him, give him a chance to rest too. I still think there is a player there. Just needs some time.
No problem mate, people see different level of potential in players. I have not seen anything from Depay to make me think he will be a better player than Januzaj (who has shown more promising signs for me) and Pereira (who's got all the tools, which in my opinion Memphis lacks).Sorry but
He would be behind both of them if I got to choose who gets playing time.
He was top scorer for PSV in a title winning season and has been very good for Netherlands at the World Cup. That's far more than Januzaj and especially Pereira have ever done.
Having him behind Pereira who's barely played 30 minutes for United is bonkers and reminds me of times when people hyped up <insert random United youngster who now plays for Wolves/Chester/Wigan>.
Unless he become another Pogba in which case I'll be eating my words. In 2012 I saw more in Pogba though than I've seen in Pereira or Januzaj.
I think we all knew it was a stupid decision from the begining
I can understand why people are pissed off with his lack of effort but as I said earlier in the thread people would not be complaining about his lack of tracking back if he was carrying a bigger threat upfront, in that Arsenal game among others he hasn't been cutting and that's why people get pissed off. At the end of the day Memphis is a wide forward not a winger, he's never going to have that defensive side to his game. In my opinion LVG should compensate for this by playing a 4-3-3 where the midfield can do more of the defensive side of the game.
My original comment was aimed at those posters in this forum that are already saying they can't see a future for him and that he has no talent. Memphis showed last season that when on his game he is an elite level talent and we have seen glimpses of that in a Utd shirt as well. I do agree that he has been poor in a lot of our games, particularly in the league and I have to admit that I did expect a lot more from him from the off. That's not to say tho that he can't still become a massive player for us in the future. I think for the next few games it would be wise to take him out the spotlight and let young have a run, but I doubt it will have that great an effect on our overall performance like people are making it out.
Did you deliberately misspell Januzaj?
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