McTominay’s post match comments

He talks a better game than the one we see on the pitch.

Can’t really knock what he’s actually said; he’s right. He’s also a massive part of the problem in this team and needs clearing out with some of the others. Not due to his attitude, but because he’d struggle to start for most other Premier League sides.
 
DevilRed said:
Under Solskjaer was easily the best football we've played since Fergie retired.

Its just a shame things went tits up at the beginning of the season. I think the players were just simply worn out from playing far too many games with no rest in between. From covid restart to a full season, and then the Euros. We played something like 60+ games last year.

We've run a few of them into the ground and its clear to see that changes need to be made to freshen the squad up in midfield.
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It was directionless trash. As I've said, a dunce throwing endless amounts excrement at a wall and hoping that some might stick should never qualify in any sane world as good football.
 
DevilRed said:
Under Solskjaer was easily the best football we've played since Fergie retired.

Its just a shame things went tits up at the beginning of the season. I think the players were just simply worn out from playing far too many games with no rest in between. From covid restart to a full season, and then the Euros. We played something like 60+ games last year.

We've run a few of them into the ground and its clear to see that changes need to be made to freshen the squad up in midfield.
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Perhaps for the first 10 or so games when he was caretaker, but the wheels quickly fell off after he got the permanent gig.

Do you not remember how we threw away top four that season?
 
Yeah, he's probably right.

Out on the pitch he's a massive part of the problem. Technically limited, very poor positional sense, doesn't track runners from midfield, and has such a limited range of passing it's actually amazing he ever made it as far as the Utd academy never mind the first team.
 
Mickeza said:
They were on strike for the old guy - they lost 4-1 to Watford and were 4-0 down at home to Liverpool after 45 minutes…
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I dont think they downed tools for Ole. I feel they simply lost those games. When Ole's teams were disorganized, we usually had these performances.

Under Rangnick I do feel a large group of our players haven't been a fan of him since his second week or so. He talks a lot and had a few things to say about the likes of Shaw before he came in. Add that to the fact that he didn't end up bringing great results, after dropping AWB, Shaw and Rashford for Telles, Dalot and Elanga; there's a recipe for disaster.

Not excusing the players. I would excuse Shaw though. He has been good for the previous two seasons and was a really important piece of our build up play last season. He had genuine reasons to have his issues with Rangnick.

Our fans also have these weird views that ETH is like Pep where certain types of players cannot play in his team. He literally had Ziyech, similar to Bruno in his search for an end product, playing for him. Ajax are not some ultra controlled machine like City are. Players are allowed to express themselves. Bruno will thrive as he currently has been( well prior to the drop in form) under ETH.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Perhaps for the first 10 or so games when he was caretaker, but the wheels quickly fell off after he got the permanent gig.

Do you not remember how we threw away top four that season?
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We came third in 2020. Project restart saw us playing some good football. We were also decent in certain aspects in the 2021 season which is why we finished 2nd.

I will say, Jose also had us looking good in patches ( mid season 2017 season and first half of the 2018 season), but they also didn't last too long.
 
tjb said:
We came third in 2020. Project restart saw us playing some good football. We were also decent in certain aspects in the 2021 season which is why we finished 2nd.

I will say, Jose also had us looking good in patches ( mid season 2017 season and first half of the 2018 season), but they also didn't last too long.
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You‘re also forgetting that, in the full 20/21 season we were effectively “2nd half United”. Project restart was a 10 or so game period with lots of breaks, no crowd to get only players backs, and even then we crawled over the line on the last day of the season.

I really believe (and I’ll get tortured for this comment) that 20/21 should be wiped from our memories due to the crowd situation. Without the crowds, home and away games were rendered effectively meaningless, and we never had to deal with the pressure of either our fans putting pressure on players, or opposition fans (in away games) getting behind their team.
 
90 + 5min said:
They are players. Some or not even that. Nothing else. They should only concentrate on their own football. There is no excuse whatsoever.
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What an absolutely myopic view of things. With some of you, there is no such thing as nuance.
 
I’m fecking loving this.

Nobody likes change, and all these talk just shows that there is change happening behind the scenes. I hope it’s change for the better - change in culture, change in mentality, change in efficient decision-making.

I am 100% behind RR and I hope he is allowed to carry on in his consultancy role after the conclusion of this season.
 
The periods where it was good under Ole have been the only times I've truly enjoyed watching us play in years. A reminder of how it should feel to watch United play. It all went horribly wrong in the end, but for a short while I believed maybe the good times were coming back.

I hope we never play like we did under LVG or Jose ever again. Indescribably joyless, tedious football.

That said, I'd prefer that group of players to the ones we have now....
 
MackRobinson said:
What an absolutely myopic view of things. With some of you, there is no such thing as nuance.
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Are they football players? It is that simple. They are paid to be that. If yes, play football as they are told. That is their job. If not, go and twitter or Instagram something. We need to go away from players using our club to boost their egos, brands, name.
 
Fairly obvious.

Arrogant executive level management with zero experience or competence, but who are refusing to give up their positions or power.

And then a coaching team and squad that hate each other.

None of this is new news.
 
Grande said:
Something must have happened after the second place finish and Euroleague final loss or at the beginning of the season. For one and a half game (Leeds and start against Soton) it looked like everyone where at the races, then it suddenly collapsed very fast.

I’m betting the ‘clique’-ing started there.
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You’re absolutely right. Someone started to throw wood on the fire and take advantage of the situation after a couple of bad matches, and after that everything collapsed. Suddenly Bailly started to moan, and Ronaldo’s agent wanted to get rid of Ole.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
You‘re also forgetting that, in the full 20/21 season we were effectively “2nd half United”. Project restart was a 10 or so game period with lots of breaks, no crowd to get only players backs, and even then we crawled over the line on the last day of the season.

I really believe (and I’ll get tortured for this comment) that 20/21 should be wiped from our memories due to the crowd situation. Without the crowds, home and away games were rendered effectively meaningless, and we never had to deal with the pressure of either our fans putting pressure on players, or opposition fans (in away games) getting behind their team.
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You may be right, but at the same time Bruno was awesome that season. He dragged us through a lot of that season. People seem to have forgotten that. I'm a little bit annoyed about how little room for bad form our better players seem to get especially when the whole team has been terrible. I don't like Pogba or how he has treated the club, but in 2018 the same thing happened to him. The same thing also happened in certain aspects to Ibra, whilst players like Herrera was praised.
 
Denis79 said:
Why the toxicity? Why turn on Ragnick a temporary manager, they know is leaving his post end of season? They can't take criticism? They are that unprofessional?
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That's what i really don't understand and wish someone would explain to me. Ok you the players don't like him, he's cold, aloof and you make references to Ted Lasso and you're not happy etc....but, you have only a few months to see this out before a new coach comes in so could you not be professional and you know, actually run during games? Is it to much to ask to follow instructions on the pitch?
 
elnorte said:
It was directionless trash. As I've said, a dunce throwing endless amounts excrement at a wall and hoping that some might stick should never qualify in any sane world as good football.
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Just want to complement your “ either it’s black or white comment” and bring in a nuance:

We played the best counterattack football in Europe, but our possession play was hopeless.
 
miked99 said:
The periods where it was good under Ole have been the only times I've truly enjoyed watching us play in years. A reminder of how it should feel to watch United play. It all went horribly wrong in the end, but for a short while I believed maybe the good times were coming back.

I hope we never play like we did under LVG or Jose ever again. Indescribably joyless, tedious football.

That said, I'd prefer that group of players to the ones we have now....
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We played a lot like that under Ole, sometimes even worse.
 
Irwin99 said:
That's what i really don't understand and wish someone would explain to me. Ok you the players don't like him, he's cold, aloof and you make references to Ted Lasso and you're not happy etc....but, you have only a few months to see this out before a new coach comes in so could you not be professional and you know, actually run during games? Is it to much to ask to follow instructions on the pitch?
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It's all very strange. I don't understand either why they would refuse to work hard, or not litsen to instructions. I'ts hard to think of any scenario where our players don't end up being unprofessional cnuts.
 
90 + 5min said:
Are they football players? It is that simple. They are paid to be that. If yes, play football as they are told. That is their job. If not, go and twitter or Instagram something. We need to go away from players using our club to boost their egos, brands, name.
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Has nothing to do with that. If you can't understand that there are circumstances where players will vent their frustration then you probably don't view them as people. That's sad.
 
tjb said:
You may be right, but at the same time Bruno was awesome that season. He dragged us through a lot of that season. People seem to have forgotten that. I'm a little bit annoyed about how little room for bad form our better players seem to get especially when the whole team has been terrible. I don't like Pogba or how he has treated the club, but in 2018 the same thing happened to him. The same thing also happened in certain aspects to Ibra, whilst players like Herrera was praised.
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I totally get that regarding players’ form. I don’t blame Bruno at all for his drop off, again that is on Ole. His reliance on Bruno, his refusal to rest or rotate him at all for two years has killed him.
 
miked99 said:
The periods where it was good under Ole have been the only times I've truly enjoyed watching us play in years. A reminder of how it should feel to watch United play. It all went horribly wrong in the end, but for a short while I believed maybe the good times were coming back.

I hope we never play like we did under LVG or Jose ever again. Indescribably joyless, tedious football.

That said, I'd prefer that group of players to the ones we have now....
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Me too especially the thrilling comebacks. We're branded the King of Comebacks for a big while.

Now the football is not exactly the same but it feels exactly like under Jose or LVG. Once we got behind the match is effectively over. The players don't even bother. Nobody cares.
 
MackRobinson said:
Has nothing to do with that. If you can't understand that there are circumstances where players will vent their frustration then you probably don't view them as people. That's sad.
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Seriously? So saying they should just concentrate on football is to not see them as humans? They have brought this mess on the pitch. Nobody else.
 
90 + 5min said:
Seriously? So saying they should just concentrate on football is to not see them as humans? They have brought this mess on the pitch. Nobody else.
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It seems so if your only retort is basically "They are paid to play football. So they just shut up and play." Given the turmoil, it's a natural human instinct to vent their frustrations.
 
MackRobinson said:
It seems so if your only retort is basically "They are paid to play football. So they just shut up and play." Given the turmoil, it's a natural human instinct to vent their frustrations.
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Exactly what they should do. That is their job. Nothing else.

Turmoil is made by players and behavior on and of pitch. There is nothing they can say to make it different. Just concentrate on football and they might change this anti performances into something better.
 
Denis79 said:
It's all very strange. I don't understand either why they would refuse to work hard, or not litsen to instructions. I'ts hard to think of any scenario where our players don't end up being unprofessional cnuts.
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May be things are changing, they’ll actually have to work harder and some of them might be losing their cushy jobs. A shock to the system might be the reason.
 
What these players fear most is being found out and going to a club with far fewer instagram followers to promote their ‘brands’ than United have
 
Kag said:
He talks a better game than the one we see on the pitch.

Can’t really knock what he’s actually said; he’s right. He’s also a massive part of the problem in this team and needs clearing out with some of the others. Not due to his attitude, but because he’d struggle to start for most other Premier League sides.
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I think he would be an OK squad player. Backup.
 
90 + 5min said:
Exactly what they should do. That is their job. Nothing else.

Turmoil is made by players and behavior on and of pitch. There is nothing they can say to make it different. Just concentrate on football and they might change this anti performances into something better.
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So it's confirmed you only view them as robotic tools used only to win football matches. I'm glad you cleared up nothing.
 
McSauce should be in the role of a Nicky Butt, a valuable squad member but no more. I agree with him being open and honest because feck the feelings of the dressing room drama queens but the fact he is a required starter shows how far we have fallen
 
90 + 5min said:
They can have their emotions at home. Not where they work. They are there to do their job. That is to do what Rangnick tell them.
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So just turn off the emotions they are feeling about work at work? :lol:


Sheesh. Hopefully you are an individual contributor and not a manager wherever you work...
 
Its obvious that a part of the group are the problem, probably same group that got Mourinho fired. Im guessing Ole thought he could figure out and man manage these players, but in management there will always be some rotten apples that you just can't change.

You need to weed them out quickly and get rid of them. Ole was to soft, I had my hopes when he said some presser that there would be many changes. Just did not happend.
 
I don’t think he’d have been referring to anyone other than the coaching staff. Players wouldn’t be interacting daily with board level staff.

It’s clear as day that there remains fringe players (Bailly, Lingard etc) who want more minutes and don’t understand why they aren’t playing ahead of Maguire or Elanga. Rashford has fallen into this group since January and would likely have a large group of friends on his side in that dressing room. He’s been an important player for 3-4 years.

Then you’ve got likes Pogba and Lingard leaving anyway so their heart maybe isn’t in it.

The veterans likes Matic, Mata, Ronaldo and Varane who probably can’t believe some of the unprofessionalism.

Ultimately it’s a classic nightmare season where everything that could go wrong, has gone wrong. It’s going to be important to move players out of course. But much more important will be establishing a cohesive dressing room again who are all pulling in the same direction.
 
90 + 5min said:
They can have their emotions at home. Not where they work. They are there to do their job. That is to do what Rangnick tell them.
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So when they score a goal they should immediately run back to the center circle? Then when they get home they can celebrate and have a burst of emotion? I'm not sure I follow your logic here.
 
moses said:
What's nuanced with all the nonsense we've heard from our players this.
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The nuance of humans venting their frustration with a microphone in their face while being asked random questions after losing an important match.
 
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