McTominay’s post match comments
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Sacked Ole way too late, Carrick did well to get something out of this somewhat unbalanced squad but then gets the push to bring in a god awful coach as effectively a DoF consultant. The message sent from the top pretty much throughout the season has been "don't really give a feck, try to get into Europe, there's always next year". It's an embarrassment that comes from the top this season - it's not that bad a squad, it's just unbalanced and difficult to manage and we basically didn't take this season seriously at board level from start to finish. No DM, decisions made too late, wrong decisions when they eventually come, just not even close to good enough. Great opportunity to rebuild in the summer though with a new coach and new players.
I dont really understand the fuss. isn't he saying thee is change outside of the playing staff (manager, chief, scouts DOF, CEO have all changed in last days - months) and that they just need to ignore that.
You don't think all the uncertainty at a club has an impact on players? Seriously?
It's nothing to do with being a "snowflake". This is a player being honest (pretty much everything he said has been said by tons of fans on here).
The attitude of the collective squad stinks.
There is zero respect, even amongst themselves. This was highlighted in a clip I saw where (Captain) Maguire screams at Rashford to stay onside. Rashfords response? “What do you want me to do, you fecking knobhead?.
Can anyone even imagine a player speaking to Keane, Rooney or Cantona like that without being knocked out?
There is zero respect, even amongst themselves. This was highlighted in a clip I saw where (Captain) Maguire screams at Rashford to stay onside. Rashfords response? “What do you want me to do, you fecking knobhead?.
Can anyone even imagine a player speaking to Keane, Rooney or Cantona like that without being knocked out?
We need to do a ruthless clear out from top to bottom. I think or at least hope that we are seeing the start now. A clear out will unravel a lot of shit.
If kane Rooney or Cantona were as gash as maguire they wouldn't have been a united player let alone captain
Well the man in charge is setting the tone.
I don't get how it got this dramatic though. We haven't even been mildly successful for 3-4 years, so why would the sacking of Ole cause this drama? The sacking wasn't unfair in any way. Is it because the players are losing their positions of power in the dressing room? New manager demands more than they are willing to give?
Agree.
Egos have been allowed to run riot for zero payback.
First and foremost your job as a player is to work hard on the field.
With bad attitude celebrities like Pigba and Lingard gone and hopefully Rashford things will look better.
Then start replacing mediocre players like Maguire and AWB etc.
It will take time but it needs to happen.
Certainly hope that's not the case. Then again not one player jumped to his defence on social media. So I wouldn't think that this is the reason for the discontent.
Probably the most unlikeable group of athletes I've ever had to support.
It's annoying and tiresome to constantly read these post-match comments proclaiming 'woe is me' and how hard it is. And how they need to show pride, effort, etc.
Then they go on the field and look as if they don't care at all. McTominay is one of the culprits too. His jogging back in defense after losing the ball or during transition is maddening to watch. He's not the only one.
Wouldn't bat an eye if we had an entirely new squad of 25 players in 4-5 years somehow.
It's annoying and tiresome to constantly read these post-match comments proclaiming 'woe is me' and how hard it is. And how they need to show pride, effort, etc.
Then they go on the field and look as if they don't care at all. McTominay is one of the culprits too. His jogging back in defense after losing the ball or during transition is maddening to watch. He's not the only one.
Wouldn't bat an eye if we had an entirely new squad of 25 players in 4-5 years somehow.
I think too many of them were mollycoddled for too long.
The likes of Maguire and Pogba and Rashford being shite and getting away with it.
Players shouldn't have power in the dressing room apart from being good leaders
Our lot are too focused on celebrity and ego and they have been let away with it and it was such a move away from what we used to be.
Once the clear out starts ruthlessly then I'll be happy.
Get hungry players that want to be part of a success team not more social media whores
I think RR looking at it as an outsider who doesn't really care (okay everyone cares but less maybe) about his own future is helping bring reality to the fore. It may result in short term loss but could benefit us big time going forward.
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I think most of them sense that the "protect the assets" era is slowly coming to an end. Five seasons without a single trophy to show for are simply too many for a club of our size and prestige. It can even make the Glazers consider a change or two. Some heads are going to roll, and everyone wants to keep his between his shoulders.
At least we haven't reached the PSG levels of ridiculousness (yet) with Neymar coming out the other day and telling the fans to shut the feck up because he's going nowhere for the next three years. But this is what putting the players above the manager, treating them as brands and making them the official image of the club can get you.
I believe ETH's first interview after the announcement that he'll be taking over next summer was refreshing. He underlined the importance of man-management (especially in the age of social media), but he also said that putting the work in is not negotiable. He also said that the players' profiles will determine the synergies and the partnerships on the pitch, but not the overarching strategy and style of play. The latter will always be his decision. I think that's where Solskjaer ultimately failed.
At least we haven't reached the PSG levels of ridiculousness (yet) with Neymar coming out the other day and telling the fans to shut the feck up because he's going nowhere for the next three years. But this is what putting the players above the manager, treating them as brands and making them the official image of the club can get you.
I believe ETH's first interview after the announcement that he'll be taking over next summer was refreshing. He underlined the importance of man-management (especially in the age of social media), but he also said that putting the work in is not negotiable. He also said that the players' profiles will determine the synergies and the partnerships on the pitch, but not the overarching strategy and style of play. The latter will always be his decision. I think that's where Solskjaer ultimately failed.
I think this is a very good point. Rashford pushing his book mid-season, Lingard releasing his clothing line before a big game. Maybe the club even encouraged this under Woodward but now they are changing policy and this is causing a stir? Either way it's obvious some are revolting.
I don't read that much into McTominay's comments. I think he was speaking in very general terms.
Higher ups could be related to protests around the club ownership, could be talking about Ralf, as we know there is discontent with certain players because he's slammed them numerous times and they haven't responded. It might just be a non-specific summation of the feeling around the club leadership that everyone speculates over, including us fans.
No real way to know but I don't see it as referencing a particular event.
Higher ups could be related to protests around the club ownership, could be talking about Ralf, as we know there is discontent with certain players because he's slammed them numerous times and they haven't responded. It might just be a non-specific summation of the feeling around the club leadership that everyone speculates over, including us fans.
No real way to know but I don't see it as referencing a particular event.
It's an amazingly poor squad. None of our players would be good enough for Liverpool or City. Not one.
Either he's speaking in general terms about thr clubs running which convenient for this lot to hide behind or possibly RRs directness and honesty which may come across as a shock to some of the players. He's pretty been openly saying that this group lacks in the physical and mental sense.
Nonsense. Sancho and Ronaldo would be in the mix for a pep team and I think Ronaldo benches Jesus.
This. We all know there are problems and to be honest things have gotten quite bad in previous regimes of Ole, Jose and LVG as well. But never has everyone from the manager to the players been so public that it's all in shambles. I'm really intrigued to find out what exactly is going on at the club.
This is more than just bad tactics or poor players. Something major seems to have happened.
Rubbish. But we're also not competing with them anyway at this point, those 2 teams are streets ahead unfortunately. What pisses me off is seeing us lose to that shower of an Arsenal team yesterday and barely even making a fist of it. And Chelsea lost to them too! All these teams are fecking shit, let's face it but Chelsea at least have an excuse. Us and Arsenal are just wank and frankly we have the talent to be much better than that. Never seen a less cohesive or less spirited United team than this season, Ronaldo and a handful of others are the only ones who've showed any character including the coach.
If your performance isn’t effected by your workplace being an absolute mess, even if it doesn’t directly effect you, then you’re very different to me and the vast majority of people in the world.
I'd love to know what you really think about some of the shite posted on here nowadays, as an older oppo fan. Have you seen anything like it among Chelsea fans?
Yeah. There's no difference really.
Ralf's advice is still going to be influential in terms of who gets new/improved contracts, who gets sold or released etc.
A lot of these players wouldn't have a club of equivalent stature coming in for them if they left United, so it's not hard to see why they'd rebel against someone (rightly) trying to bring their career as an elite player (lol) to a close.
I don't understand people blaming Rangnick here, he hasn't been here for long and he's not a magician to fix the issues which have been there since SAF left in just 4 - 5 months. Issues that LVG, Moyes, Mourinho, and Ole couldn't fix. I think some of the fans (including me) and our owners have been naive to expect things to change in a short period under all the managers since SAF left without any concrete plan for the signings, hiring managers, everything. Things won't change unless the issues with the management have been fixed and ETH is given enough time to break down this shit show and build his own team and the board shouldn't pay attention to the fans who throw the toys of their pram when things don't go as they want and other people who want instant glory.
We are looking for things to explain their lack off application? I'm a believer that there are always issues,especially at a behemoth like United, and in one's own life, and the bottom line is how you deal with them. Our players are not the only ones with human feelings.
If all of the factors here in this thread and across the boards are that debilitating to various degrees then I think we just have a squad of children, idiots or a really indulgent culture or a combination of all.
If something doesn't click to override reality when you cross the white line maybe you're just not made of the stuff necessary.
Ronaldo literally lost a kid this week and played and scored. feck the idea they are sad or unhappy about the absolutely correct treatment of former players or management.
For me the idea we know what no marks like Lingard or even an average squad player like McTominay thinks is part of the indulgence and ego that I think plays a bigger part than broken hearts for Ole or whoever.
I'll never forgive them for Anfield. Pricks.
It's pretty much what he said the last time he was interviewed as well. There is/has been a lot going on at the club, it's affected morale and is distracting but the players just need to ignore all of that and do their jobs on the pitch.
Although, I don't see it really improving until the new management team is in place. With so many leaving and with additions needed I think the dressing room dynamic will be quite different anyway.
Now that’s an interesting question.
I don’t think “strict” is the right word; a good dollop of strictness all round might have done this wretched lot some good. But seeing one of your colleagues and, presumably for some, mates go from Boy Wonder to Completely and Utterly Cancelled in the blink of an eye must have been pretty disconcerting. Particularly if they had absolutely no idea of his (apparently) true character up to then.
You’d have thought that having a psychologist on board would have helped here. Who knows; maybe the club were so anxious to be seen to have distanced themselves from the matter that they forbade any discussion about it.
Whilst I do think these players have downed tools, let's not forget under 3 different managers they've won feck all in 5 years. They are just a terrible bunch of players both on and off the pitch
The players had to have known what happened with he who shall not be named long before it was made public. I know how I'd feel playing alongside someone who was accused of despicable things. It wouldn't surprise me if it caused a rift with certain factions within the squad with that animosity continuing to this day. The squad is obviously broken. This could easily have been the straw that finally broke the camels back.
It’s something that’s crossed my mind a bit, but I doubt it’s the club line with that that’s had an effect. I could fully picture, especially those that thought they knew him, having a major crisis of confidence after what was revealed because, well, they suddenly start questioning what they thought was odd but didn’t address, wonder how they could have been friends with somebody who was hiding their true colours etc…
As someone who doesn't have an emotional attachment to the problems United are having, there are some things which I think we can reliably say are true and cast light on what both Rangnick and McTominay are saying.
None of the 5 very different types of manager since Ferguson have been successful.
Many highly rated players in that time have arrived at the club and their performance has got markedly worse while they have been at United.
The owners have allowed appropriate level of funds for transfers and wages in the last 9 years.
There clearly is something systematically wrong at United but given the above can a new manager fix it?
Yes the owners may spend further but how likely is it that the problems at the club won't just turn a new superstar recruit into the next underperforming scapegoat.
If the owners are as distant as they seem to be, and if a new manager is unable to change the influences on the playing squad then isn't the part of the club thats to blame for the situation lying between the two?
Not that I have any special insight but my suspicion would be that there are a number of people within the org structure who are perfectly happy with their current situation, are making their living and actually would prefer for the status quo to continue rather than for somebody to prioritise the teams performance. While the manager or playing staff are scapegoats their influence won't ever be under scrutiny.
None of the 5 very different types of manager since Ferguson have been successful.
Many highly rated players in that time have arrived at the club and their performance has got markedly worse while they have been at United.
The owners have allowed appropriate level of funds for transfers and wages in the last 9 years.
There clearly is something systematically wrong at United but given the above can a new manager fix it?
Yes the owners may spend further but how likely is it that the problems at the club won't just turn a new superstar recruit into the next underperforming scapegoat.
If the owners are as distant as they seem to be, and if a new manager is unable to change the influences on the playing squad then isn't the part of the club thats to blame for the situation lying between the two?
Not that I have any special insight but my suspicion would be that there are a number of people within the org structure who are perfectly happy with their current situation, are making their living and actually would prefer for the status quo to continue rather than for somebody to prioritise the teams performance. While the manager or playing staff are scapegoats their influence won't ever be under scrutiny.
Lets put it this way. If I make mess at home breaking things and making mess of my apartment I am in No right to criticize my landlord, goverment or universe itself. Players brought this mess upom them with their behavior on and off the pitch.
Unfortunately McT is just as much of a symptom of the wider problem with the club as the likes of Rashford, Lingard etc.
Those with the talent to be Man Utd players don’t have the right attitude while those with the right attitude to be a Man Utd player don’t have the talent.
Those with the talent to be Man Utd players don’t have the right attitude while those with the right attitude to be a Man Utd player don’t have the talent.
This absolutely shouldn’t be the narrative. There is no reason to think it’s the case and pushing sentiments like that only works to shame those around abusers who are manipulated themselves.
Me too.
Manchester United has turned into the latest soap opera.
And everyone seems to be feeding on the carcass of this once great club, especially many former players who should know better.
We seem to have loads of people who are supposed to be managing the club as a whole. But no one capable or with the right leadership qualities to actually do anything.
And just another change of manager cannot turn the club around on his own.
We are in desperate need of proper leadership and a proper organisation and leadership structure.