64% pass completion for him - that’s what he should be talking about.
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This cant be true?!
I actually thought he meant there are all these things happening but we need to just focus on the next couple of games? Maybe I read it wrong?
In any case, everyone needs to keep to generic answers now. We get it - everything is shit, now shut up and do your job.
Our CEO needs to lay down the law to our players to have respect for the club and fans and just get with the job they were hired to do., I don't get whey the upper management isn't doing anything about this. So fecking irritating.
I think I will have to find the appropriate department and put a complaint in.
In any case, everyone needs to keep to generic answers now. We get it - everything is shit, now shut up and do your job.
Our CEO needs to lay down the law to our players to have respect for the club and fans and just get with the job they were hired to do., I don't get whey the upper management isn't doing anything about this. So fecking irritating.
I think I will have to find the appropriate department and put a complaint in.
I’m sure I’m not the only one that appreciates your level headed posts
Surely it’s a combination of all, with the indulgent environment that’s been allowed (nay, encouraged) to develop post-SAF the biggest contributor.
“Idiots” is an interesting one. We do seem to have a squad desperately lacking in self-awareness. Presumably a direct consequence of the environment?
I'm pretty sure this is the case. And look I know this will be an unpopular opinion here to say the least, and I must preface it by saying I'm no fan of this current group of players. But I think Rangnick is a horrible manager for this group of players.
A massive part of not just football but any management, is not the technical aspect of it, but the personal aspect of it. People can write thesis about how horrible Ole was and how he set the club backwards but he got this group to act as a semi functioning team at least for the most part the past 2 seasons. If the manager, even no matter Ralf or ETH can't get the players on board, we'll never be successful.
Of course, you can go about it a different way and just buy a whole new team essentially but then the fans and board will expect returns on such massive investment sooner than later.
For this reason, I have my reservations about ETH's appointment. I hope he is smart enough to bring the players and board onside at least initially. But if his personality is like Ralf, I think we will be in trouble again soon enough.
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It was 64% when I last checked during the game - which was shocking and I made a mental note - I just checked now and it ended at 70% - which is no less shocking.
played 90 minutes. completed 24 passes.
This is a good comment, but from all indications it seems ETH keeps his shit internal.
Ragnick is obviously different, though I suspect his bluntness is partly frustration at the lack of professionalism of some of our players. Nevertheless, he really needs to find a balance between speaking to the fans and not sugar coating things, and keeping other things private. Here I disagree with Ralf, he's gone way too much with being frank.Our communications team need to have a talk with him, or better yet the CEO needs to get up off his arse and tell everyone to tone it the feck down now.
Lack of leadership from the club at every level it seems.
Why's there no reason to think that's the case? Inside any workplace the rumour mill never stops. It's obvious the club is going to be in the know long before the public. Traits about his character have emerged long before this last bombshell.
Take his England career. After what happened in Iceland with him and Foden it always seemed strange to me that the club/Southgate expressly forbid any further call ups. Just maybe they already knew exactly what type of character he really was. Pure guesswork of course but sometimes 2+2 really does make 4.
It's a backwards way of looking at it. These players don't have the character or ability to win the top honours. Although perhaps quite fitting given this was also the case for the manager that preceded RR. Nonetheless a much better way of describing the current sorry situation is that with the current squad (especially when your supposed best players are ones as limited as Maguire and Rashford), the club will never be successful.
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Sad state of affairs, it makes it all so depressing...
Yeah I don't get this either. If it's true the players are not carrying out his instructions, and he feels that it's intentional, then why's he sticking with them. Sure it's hurting their reputation in public but it's dragging everyone in the team down too, hurting the fans as much as the players.
This is the problem, if half the team don't give a toss it makes the half that do look bad also.
As you just said, pure guesswork. There is zero evidence beside him being deemed too immature for a call up, which immaturity =/= rapist.
The overall play and results under Ole would suggest that the players had gone on strike during his tenure.
Does anyone have the video? Is it cut out for a click bait or did he say it?
Wow. After a showing like that you don't get to throw shade on anyone. Imagine being part of a team, putting up those stats and then talking about others' pride.
The players are working on their own brand before the team or club.
And the culture that enables ego like this is to blame.
Did Chelsea players come out of their recent loss against Arsenal and claim it had anything to do with the situation Chelsea's higher ups are in?
(honest question, I haven't followed other teams' games much this season)
You're being very naive if you think there's zero evidence against him so I'll leave it there as I've already had a few warnings talking about this cnut. Believe what you want as that's everyone's right.
Mount said this recently about our ownership problems " At the beginning, and even now, we don’t really know where it’s going and what’s happening the next day. So it’s difficult". Other players have expressed similar but they've obviously been briefed not to talk too much about it.
The situation at Man United is very different though (no trophies for quote a while, no manager, fans protesting). We're the Champions League holders and in the FA Cup final so there's not much for the players to deal with or be unhappy about other than uncertainty about who the owner will be.
That's a very good point. After all the turmoil and uncertainty about their club it wouldn't be at all surprising if the players lost a bit of edge. They've had a few bad results but on the whole it does look like the unity is still there as a squad. Not like our shower of shit.
What on earth are you on about. I never said he didn’t do anything, he’s guilty as sin. You’re saying that there’s some mystery evidence that everybody else knew about, that’s where I’m telling you that you’re talking shit, unless you have evidence to the contrary.
Thanks. The problems are very different but the problems our players face are largely down to themeselves and their performances while your players perform (better) and had no influence on the situation they are in. Not that I feel great sympathy for either (anymore), but I do know who I'd cut more slack of the two groups.
Comments would hold far more weight if he completed simple passes & didn’t hide from being passed to so regularly.
Squad is full of players who say the right things & fans lap it up. Successful teams/players don’t have to come out & do this. Getting a bit sick & tired of the McToms/Shaws saying the right things of the field whilst being some of the biggest problems on it, just post your social media apology & feck off.
Squad is full of players who say the right things & fans lap it up. Successful teams/players don’t have to come out & do this. Getting a bit sick & tired of the McToms/Shaws saying the right things of the field whilst being some of the biggest problems on it, just post your social media apology & feck off.
You said there was zero evidence besides him being too immature for an England recall. I'm saying his character was being called into question even before his recent accusations.
McT didn't do that either.
Weren’t they upset for lack of coaching before Ole got sacked ?
McT is the type of player similar to Nicky Butt or Phil Neville. You can only use them in certain situations or possibly in tight games that require graft.
You can't be playing him every week because he just gets exposed.
You can't be playing him every week because he just gets exposed.
Don't think it's too complicated to work out is his general complaint is the players aren't putting in the work expected of a Man Utd player which while it may be true is just going to cause a further divide in the dressing room. Horrible bunch of players that's been assembled.
Thanks clearly people are really fed up by this. Don't know what to make of this, all is not well and that is clear.
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This is nonsense, Butt was good enough to start every game, Mctominay shouldn’t have made it out the academy
Butt was definitely not good enough to start every game. Thats why he didnt.
I mean, I agree with what he says but players like McTominay are a huge part of the issue. Don't know how can have the balls to come out with this after the shite he just served up. Does he not think he's one of the issues?
The problem is most of them aren't good enough to play for the club and they can't handle being told that, so they find other things to blame for their overall shittiness.
Seeing the full interview he seems more annoyed with his team mates than anyone higher up. Keeps saying they need more “balls”.
Not really getting into the rights of wrongs of saying that when his own performance left so much to desire but this definitely confirms we have a divided dressing room.
They are revolting in every disgusting sense of that word. feck them.
They'll be forgotten very quickly.
Seeing the interview, I agree, he seems livid with the effort and focus of some of his team mates. What is said about ‘staff, higher up etc’ sounds to me actually like an implication that others in the dressing room talk too much about ‘staff, higher ups etc’, and are too content with their own effort, while he just repeats Ralf’s focus of doing the basics right on the pitch and fighting like Burnley and anybody else.
Ralf has played Scott when available, so I think it’s safe to say Scott and Fred are not the problems in Ralf’s eyes. More question marks over Matic (quitting), Van de Beek (loaned out) and Pogba (quitting) by far then, of the midfield candidates.
I think you’re on point about something important there. What leakd there where under Solskjær’s stunt was that there was unity in the dressing room and the players wanted to fight for Solskjær and the coaches - even during and after the horrible collapse at the ende of his interim stint. Presumably he got the man management very right for most of the time.
Something must have happened after the second place finish and Euroleague final loss or at the beginning of the season. For one and a half game (Leeds and start against Soton) it looked like everyone where at the races, then it suddenly collapsed very fast.
I’m betting the ‘clique’-ing started there.
Under Solskjaer was easily the best football we've played since Fergie retired.
Its just a shame things went tits up at the beginning of the season. I think the players were just simply worn out from playing far too many games with no rest in between. From covid restart to a full season, and then the Euros. We played something like 60+ games last year.
We've run a few of them into the ground and its clear to see that changes need to be made to freshen the squad up in midfield.