McTominay’s post match comments

Pogue Mahone

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There are a whole lot of problems in terms of players, staff, everything higher up.
"We need to concentrate on what's happening on the pitch. It's self-pride when we're on the pitch. We don't need to worry about who's saying what. It's pride when you go on the pitch, give your best, everyone. There's a lot of things going on at the minute, don't get me wrong.
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Apologies if thread about this already but I couldn’t find one.

I find this comment intriguing. Especially “everything higher up”. Surely with a top new manager secured he should be feeling positive about what’s happening. So why talk about all these problems? What’s he referring to? Ralf? A dig at the Glazers? Murrough? Fletcher?
 
Between this, Rangnick’s last few interviews/conferences where he basically cannot hide his disdain for this group and Scholes relaying Lingard’s views on the dressing room. I’m shocked at how much everyone is talking publicly about what is happening internally right now. Like us, it seems everyone connected with the club cannot wait for the season to be over.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Apologies if thread about this already but I couldn’t find one.

I find this comment intriguing. Especially “everything higher up”. Surely with a top new manager secured he should be feeling positive about what’s happening. So why talk about all these problems? What’s he referring to? Ralf? A dig at the Glazers? Murrough? Fletcher?
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Take it with pinch of salt even when he is showing bit of self criticism it's still prefaced with blaming others first and comes with caveats Just end the season already .
 
It is interesting to hear that but not surprising. There are quite clearly issues with the players and the staff, including Ralf. They just don't get along, the players arent listening to him and Ralf seems to be calling them out in public. I do wonder when and how this all started?

I had a thought after the Everton game, it just seemed to toxic with the players and Ralf, in order for us have any chance of getting into the top 4 whether we could've brought Carrick back in and moved Ralf upstairs? Before anyone jumps at me, it was just a thought and I don;t think it would've ever happened. But you have to admit, the situation with Ralf and the players right now is really bad and clearly its not done any favours on the pitch.
 
It might be non specific issues. Just the drama in general. He might be just trying to get the players to do their job regardless of the inevitable off field distractions. Maybe he's as sick of the sideshows as we all are..

Pride is the key word for me in that.
 
Model pro like his attitude and wht he says, one of the players that truly cares......shames he is such an average player though
 
Ayoba said:
It is interesting to hear that but not surprising. There are quite clearly issues with the players and the staff, including Ralf. They just don't get along, the players arent listening to him and Ralf seems to be calling them out in public. I do wonder when and how this all started?

I had a thought after the Everton game, it just seemed to toxic with the players and Ralf, in order for us have any chance of getting into the top 4 whether we could've brought Carrick back in and moved Ralf upstairs? Before anyone jumps at me, it was just a thought and I don;t think it would've ever happened. But you have to admit, the situation with Ralf and the players right now is really bad and clearly its not done any favours on the pitch.
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The bizarre thing is, if players are not executing his instructions, don’t pick them? He’s largely stuck with the same group throughout his tenure and at this point it feels like self-sabotage to force this group out of the club.
 
We have lost the plot at this point. Nothing players leaking self-serving stories constantly, talking shite to ex-player pundits and now going public with some sort of State of the Union nonsense.

Keane would have done unspeakable things to this lot.
 
MvG said:
We have lost the plot at this point. Nothing players leaking self-serving stories constantly, talking shite to ex-player pundits and now going public with some sort of State of the Union nonsense.

Keane would have done unspeakable things to this lot.
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Yep, I'm fecking sick listening to them all.
 
Ayoba said:
It is interesting to hear that but not surprising. There are quite clearly issues with the players and the staff, including Ralf. They just don't get along, the players arent listening to him and Ralf seems to be calling them out in public. I do wonder when and how this all started?

I had a thought after the Everton game, it just seemed to toxic with the players and Ralf, in order for us have any chance of getting into the top 4 whether we could've brought Carrick back in and moved Ralf upstairs? Before anyone jumps at me, it was just a thought and I don;t think it would've ever happened. But you have to admit, the situation with Ralf and the players right now is really bad and clearly its not done any favours on the pitch.
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Why the toxicity? Why turn on Ragnick a temporary manager, they know is leaving his post end of season? They can't take criticism? They are that unprofessional?
 
This is where the captain, someone with some leadership in the dressing room, should tell players to shut the feck up. We've got mediocre nobodies like Lingard and Mctominay telling people that everything is a mess, then we have a mediocre nobody like Rashford threatening to leave as if we should be scared. Why is a club like United being ruined by shite players? Seeing as the captain is a spineless clown there should be some intervention by the CEO to tell these cretins that their behaviour needs to change or they have no future here
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That’s the stuff that has me puzzled.
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It’s just pure delusion. Most of these players have it in their heads that they are Manchester United players when in fact they are Leeds United level at best.

The level of inexperience in the squad at top level is shocking. And yet you’d think they are all club legends when they open their bloody mouths.
 
Denis79 said:
It's just very odd. There is something going on that's for certain, too many voices of discontent but I can't figure out why?
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These comments are the first time I’ve heard a player allude to problems with “staff” and “higher up”. It’s all very strange. Surely they realised Ole had to go? So who else at the club are they taking issue with? Is this all about Ralf? Maybe a jibe at Ted Lassoo?
 
Very odd comments. Mediocre squads filler like McT and Lingard would be better off keeping their thoughts on this front to themselves. So many of the squad appear to have hugely inflated ideas of their own importance
 
Playing for a few months with a temp manager and not knowing who is coming in to take over can't be optimal for any player.

Even now you've announced Ten Hag, 95% of the squad won't know if they're in his plans until he actually tells them so even more uncertainty.

Fan protests about the owners, the Greenwood issue and god forbid he actually logs into Twitter to see what the fans are saying about him.

Obviously these are not massive issues in the scheme of things but they can't be helpful.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I wonder if the players (at least some of them) are upset about the decision to sack Ole? Might explain why they’ve basically gone on strike for the new guy.
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If that's true we are in serious trouble. The results that got Ole sacked would have had any manager in the world sacked, including Pep and Klopp. Also these are supposed to be professional players, this would not be professional at all.
 
To much money means to much player power. When they decide that they don’t care it is what it is. They have done that before and it is not surprising. What I like is that people now understand that it has always been players and not managers putting us in position we are in.

If there ever was time for throwing out pretenders and artficial footballers it is now. Nobody would raise eyebrown for that. This summer will be intresting who leaves and comes.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
These comments are the first time I’ve heard a player allude to problems with “staff” and “higher up”. It’s all very strange. Surely they realised Ole had to go? So who else at the club are they taking issue with? Is this all about Ralf? Maybe a jibe at Ted Lassoo?
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No idea but both are temporary, makes no sense. Maybe there is something else going on we don't know about?
 
duffer said:
Playing for a few months with a temp manager and not knowing who is coming in to take over can't be optimal for any player.

Even now you've announced Ten Hag, 95% of the squad won't know if they're in his plans until he actually tells them so even more uncertainty.

Fan protests about the owners, the Greenwood issue and god forbid he actually logs into Twitter to see what the fans are saying about him.

Obviously these are not massive issues in the scheme of things but they can't be helpful.
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They are players. Some or not even that. Nothing else. They should only concentrate on their own football. There is no excuse whatsoever.
 
I thought McT was referring to retrospective issues with the board (thats now being put right).
 
90 + 5min said:
They are players. Some or not even that. Nothing else. They should only concentrate on their own football. There is no excuse whatsoever.
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They are most certainly more than "just players", they're people who are impacted by things going on around them, just like every other non-sociopath in the world.

It's not an excuse, it's a reality, an explanation.

If you don't think stuff like a settled manager and a settled squad have an impact then I'd have to disagree.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
The bizarre thing is, if players are not executing his instructions, don’t pick them? He’s largely stuck with the same group throughout his tenure and at this point it feels like self-sabotage to force this group out of the club.
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Hes literally played everyone except the kids and I for one am glad he isn't throwing them into this dumpster fire.
 
90 + 5min said:
They are players. Some or not even that. Nothing else. They should only concentrate on their own football. There is no excuse whatsoever.
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No, they're human beings with real emotions, not robots! Take away the fact that they earn a shit tonne of money and your bias. I am not saying they are blameless in all of this and of course they need to take responsibility and be accountable, but you can see why they would be affected by the ongoings around the club!
 
duffer said:
They are most certainly more than "just players", they're people who are impacted by things going on around them, just like every other non-sociopath in the world.

It's not an excuse, it's a reality, an explanation.

If you don't think stuff like a settled manager and a settled squad have an impact then I'd have to disagree.
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They are just players for this club. Nothing more. We need to stop making them bigger then they are.
They are reason why we are where we are. Nobody else. Nothing else. To excuse that with anything is to go from problems. Their job is to listen to manager. To play like manager say. And to show some pride and passion for their jobs. To have honour. To respect their teammates, fans. To respect themselfs.
 
I have a feeling the the biggest problem is they don't like eachother.
The other theng is that, the first two matches, these players actually tried to press, then became upset at being told to press and cover for Ronnies lack of pressing, so gave up. Admittedly, this is just my imagination.
 
duffer said:
Playing for a few months with a temp manager and not knowing who is coming in to take over can't be optimal for any player.

Even now you've announced Ten Hag, 95% of the squad won't know if they're in his plans until he actually tells them so even more uncertainty.

Fan protests about the owners, the Greenwood issue and god forbid he actually logs into Twitter to see what the fans are saying about him.

Obviously these are not massive issues in the scheme of things but they can't be helpful.
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I don’t think any of us have actually discussed the possibility but I wonder if some of the players think the club was wrong in the strict line they took with him?
 
Ayoba said:
No, they're human beings with real emotions, not robots! Take away the fact that they earn a shit tonne of money and your bias. I am not saying they are blameless in all of this and of course they need to take responsibility and be accountable, but you can see why they would be affected by the ongoings around the club!
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Really? Are they humans? I didn’t know that.
They are reason for this mess. Nobody else. They are affected by their own behaviour.
 
duffer said:
They are most certainly more than "just players", they're people who are impacted by things going on around them, just like every other non-sociopath in the world.

It's not an excuse, it's a reality, an explanation.

If you don't think stuff like a settled manager and a settled squad have an impact then I'd have to disagree.
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This almost reads as a WUM. But I know you’re better than that.

This is akin to RLC saying similar right after Ross Barkley chatted shit to Lampard about the state of the dressing room all amidst the millionth story CHO leaked to the press in reference to his form, fitness and / or contract situation.

How’d that be ? Still buying into the snowflake excuse at that point ?
 
He was quite emotional in the post match interview but does he think he isn't past of these issues that we can all see :wenger: .I also find it strange that when these players are sent out to do these interviews they aren't told to keep it simple and just talk about the game.Everyone seems happy to say, Yeah there are problems,the atmosphere is crap,we're not doing the basics,the list is endless as to what they say
 
Let's be honest we have all suspected that the top brass is running a clown show. Mctominay and Rangnick have confirmed it.
 
Crib all you want Tommy...your band of mediocre academy grads is not going to be around next year anyway.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I wonder if the players (at least some of them) are upset about the decision to sack Ole? Might explain why they’ve basically gone on strike for the new guy.
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Whether it's about Ole or not they've clearly never bought into Ralf and his coaching team from day 1.

Carrick and McKenna were derided on here but I think it was a big blow losing them at the same time and replacing them with MLS guys.
 
jesperjaap said:
Model pro like his attitude and wht he says, one of the players that truly cares......shames he is such an average player though
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Is he though, he does a disappearing act in the games he play and you'll barely notice he's even in the games until he fouls someone.

Our players all talk a much better game than they've ever played. Sick and tired of all of them, they can all feck off.
 
There's clearly something badly wrong at the club. RR and the players don't seem to have much rapport (to put it mildly), whatever is going on in training has done nothing to improve the cohesion on the pitch (possibly the training staff aren't up to scratch?), Matic (for example) would rather walk than see out his contract, Bruno's in a filthy mood. Maybe there are ructions over the treatment of certain players (e.g. various reports of what was offered to Pogba) and we have no idea what messages come down from the Glazers via the senior staff. It looks about a dysfunctional as a club could be right now. Let's hope that ETH can engineer the massive reset that is needed, and gets the time, patience and money that it will need.
 
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