Yeah not everyone, most people who listen/watch Goldbridge, most people probably realised there was more to the story
McKenna or Tuchel?
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Yeah not everyone, most people who listen/watch Goldbridge, most people probably realised there was more to the story
And Fergie, don't forget him.
But chances are do need someone who has top level experience and has won things.
Unless staying 6-8th is the goal, then that doesn't need it.
I have no problem whatsoever for the plan to get Alonso next year. But majority of the fans and me are absolutely certain that ETH need to go. He is not the right man to lead us forward. Why not try McKenna this year if dont worked out we go for Alonso next year.
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Arteta, Pep, Zidane, Alonso, and Ancelotti (managed a Serie B team for a year, before getting Parma's gig, when Parma was one of the best team in Europe). Not much experience but become top manager when given the chance.
Ipswich was on 11, 9, 11 on League 1, 3 seasons before mcKenna took over. And he brought them to top 2 immediately getting promotion to Championship, and immediately Top 2 in Championship getting promoted to PL. And that's without bankrolled by any new owners.
I think, that's the sort of "miracle" a manager could bring, that this United need to get back to the top.
Just like when Liverpool hired Klopp. It would be nice to get someone with Klopp pre-Liverpool pedigree. But there's none available now.
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Tuchel Bayern are losing 4-2 and looking likely to finish 3rd in the league.
People wanting McKenna is baffling. Talented or not, his only job was in Championship. And people want him here to manage on highest level? Based on what?
He is completely unproven and inexperienced manager. You learned nothing with Solskjaer?
He is completely unproven and inexperienced manager. You learned nothing with Solskjaer?
Alonso managed Real Sociedad B for 3 years, Pep managed Barcelona B, as long as the recruitment is good it's not that big a deal. He's obviously a talented tactician looking at how he's done at Ipswich, he also knows the club more than most. It's not that hard to wrap your head around.
Pretty criminal really
They seem to have a lot of injuries today but the last time Bayern has finished below 2nd was in 2011.
His time at Bayern has been big failure.
Agreed
Championship manager. Won nothing.
He’d be eaten alive at Utd ….chewed up and spat out by Christmas.
Those two automatically command more respect due to their playing careers.
And? If the coaching and tactics are good he will get results and the respect will follow. If not he will fail and be shown the door just like any other manager. It’s not rocket science lads.
Do you think Tuchel's playing career commands him respect? 8 appearances for Stuttgart kickers and 69 appearances for SSV Ulm?
At the end of the day, it's the decisions you make as a manager that earns the respect. As long as you get the tactics right, rotate the squad properly and keep the players happy, success will come and you'll be respected. There's no one in our squad that will make life hard for McKenna, Rashford is a maybe after getting dropped but that's a fast track way of getting sold.
Ten Hag started off with plenty of respect, but it's been his own mistakes that have caused the players to doubt him, like us fans. It's the same with any manager.
I would definitely take McKenna. By the summer we should have a good organisation in place.
If McKenna could concentrate on coaching and game management. With the recruitment being done by the technical director, head of scouting and DOF.
Mc Kenna should say I need for example a defensive midfielder with the following qualities.
He should then have a say in the final choice
If McKenna could concentrate on coaching and game management. With the recruitment being done by the technical director, head of scouting and DOF.
Mc Kenna should say I need for example a defensive midfielder with the following qualities.
He should then have a say in the final choice
What did you learn from Pep, Zidane, Arteta, Alonso? Nothing
. What did you learn from dozen and dozen examples when big clubs hired inexperienced managers? Obviously nothing. Pep and Zidane are literally only examples when inexperienced manager took over big club and had success. In their case, they both inherited world class teams with most talented players in the world.But but but Pep did great......
Mckenna has potentially a higher ceiling... and also a much lower floor than tuchel.
No need to rush I'd say.
No need to rush I'd say.
I'd rather have Thomas Frank
Brighton would be a great job for McKenna to develop more and take the next step. Will be tough in the Prem at Ipswich, but at Brighton he can enhance his reputation. Hope he takes it
For every young manager who succeeded, there are probably 10 to 20 who flopped, so probably not a very good narrative to purse in terms attempting to justify McKenna.
The point, which seems entirely missed, is that lack of top level managerial experience is not an accurate predictor at all for success or not in a particular role.
Whether McKenna succeeds or fails in case he is appointed on the role, will depend on his skills, his intelligence, his adaptability and of course on the quality of the squad the club manages to assemble for him. Not on his previous accomplishments.
But but but Pep did great......
Can you name an example? Because the only one you offered so far is a very poor one.
Ole was not a success but he didn’t really do any worse than more experienced than him managers, like ETH or LVG. Only Mourinho managed to really do better than him.
True. I've taken a deeper look at him after initially dismissing the idea that he could manage us, and his accomplishments so far have been very impressive. Should that immediately translate into managing one of the biggest clubs in the world ? Probably not, although if he shines at Ipswich this year, I'm sure bigger clubs will be knocking on his door by season's end.
We were talking about Pep and Alonso. Their successful playing career meant they didn't have to start at the bottom. Tuchel didn't have as successful a playing career so he had to work his way up and earn that respect, something McKenna will also probably need to do.
as much as I'd prefer McKenna over pretty much all of the other realistic names, I think going to Brighton would be a logical step and the best move he could make. If he does well there, the United job will still be there for him in a couple of years.
still a firm no from me when it comes to Tuchel. I just don't see anything there beyond "he's not as shite as some of the other candidates" ...
still a firm no from me when it comes to Tuchel. I just don't see anything there beyond "he's not as shite as some of the other candidates" ...
Off top of my head; Gerrard (Rangers to Villa), Solari (Real), Lampard (Derby to Celski), Seedorf, Gattuso, Pippo (all failed in Milan), Pirlo (Juve), Neville (Valencia), Henry (Monaco), Solskjaer, Shearer (Newcastle), Maradona (Argentina), Kovač (Croatia NT).....
My point is; top job (in everything not just football), you must earn. Not just get it because you are in some way connected with that company (club). There is a huge gap between promoting Ipswich and managing Man Utd.
But how does this correlate to success? We hired 6 managers post Fergie, 5 of which had definitely earned it, and yet they all failed just the same. Surely you look at the profile of the manager, what style of football they play, how smart they seem, how they deal with adversity and then make a judgement call on their qualities.
I don’t disagree there is huge gap between promoting Ipswich and managing United. But how does being a journeyman manager like Tuchel (changes club/gets fired every 2 years), or an experienced EPL manager like Moyes make you a better candidate just because you have managed at that level? Especially when the football your teams play is dire. It just doesn’t compute.
What a pile of nonsense this is, there are plenty of obvious examples where this earn it thing is a complete fallacy but do carry on
I think Tuchel retired early in his career due to injury, you should never dismiss the learning you get whilst playing football. After that he went into coaching and first manager role 10 years after his retirement.
McKena retired at 22 and spent a long time with big clubs, spurs and united. After 13 years landed his Ipswich role, 3 years on and double promotions, I think he is ready for the next step. Let that be the Premier league in general, Brighton or United.
My point is, it don't really matter if and how lomg you played football, management is about leadership, intelligence and vision. If you can implement all them things, you can be successful so it don't really matter if he has not played football in 15 years.
If the point I'd about him making the step to united where the pressure is unmeasured against many other clubs, I understand the reluctance. Personally I think he has the ability to make it. He experienced that pressure with united, his reputation as a coach is known and he has shown woth Ipswhich, he can build a team without a tonne of money. I think he spent between 4 to 6m whilst manager at Ipswich which really emphasises how good he has been.
The biggest blocker to united I think will be the players we have. They clearly have there own agenda and pretty much run the narrative of the club. They don't want to work hard, they are weak minded and don't work as group. Can Mckenna change that? Even the best have failed. I think his appointment would all depend on the progress Ineos have made at the top and what will happen on the summer. A good recruitment strategy, clear objectives, mindset change within the players, mini clearout ... we could have a great manager for the future.
I would personally take him in a heartbeat but at the same time, I understand the apprehension on him.
You do realize that Alonso is a scouse legend and would never join us. Not to mention he's likely holding out for the Real job for when Ancelotti leaves, likely at the end of next season.
Does this change the attitude of those frowning upon him as a "Championship" manager?
Would love it if we went for McKenna.
Think he's the real deal. Has the look of a proper United manager.
Think he's the real deal. Has the look of a proper United manager.
I’m surprised there’s not more interest in De Zerbi. This time last year if he was available on a free I suspect most people would have said snap him up. Understandable that has cooled a bit given their recent firm but I think there are mitigating factors there. I think he’s so far ahead of ETH with buildup and possession, though do understand people have concerns over a lack of plan B. I think his knowledge of the PL is being undervalued, something that McKenna hasn’t had as a number 1 yet. Tuchel for me would be a 1-1.5 season sticking plaster only
What was downfall for both Moyes and Solskjaer (except their managerial ability)? They didn't have respect from the players. Some players even wanted to leave when we hired Ole. It is not just with our bunch. It is the same everywhere. That is how things work, unfortunately. Big players (well players in big clubs) respect big names. McKenna would be eaten alive by our bunch.
Also, as i said in previous post, there is a big gap in managing Ipswich and United. Talented or not, he would need season or two to learn stuff. Time which you don't have in big club.
Ideal scenario is that we sign Tuchel, give McKenna few seasons in PL and then one day if/when Tuchel fails, go for McKenna (if he proves himself in PL) .
Tuchel says he’s definitely leaving Bayern yesterday and RDZ announces he’s leaving Brighton today, it’s no coincidence and it’s pretty much nailed on RDZ gets announced as Bayern coach in the next week so that’ll be why no one’s been in for him as they know themselves he’s Bayern bound.
Not particularly given that Chelsea's decision making on managers has been absolutely calamitous in recent years, included hiring Lampard twice (after all, he understands the club!) sacking Tuchel just as they were gaining momentum, then going all in on Potter only to sack him as well, and eventually settling on Poch, who despite absurd amount of money thrown at new players in the preceding couple of years, only managed 6th.
Didn't realize either of them played for Liverpool?
When asked directly in a press conference today, the Bayern sporting director said the new manager will not be Italian.
TBF I'm not sure the Bayern board have any better idea of who their next manager is than the rest of us.