They also sacked Nagelsmaan and hired Tuchel then fired Tuchel and asked Nagelsmaan back who said no then asked Tuchel to stay who’s now said he won’t be staying so I wouldn’t believe them saying that to be honest.
McKenna or Tuchel?
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They also sacked Nagelsmaan and hired Tuchel then fired Tuchel and asked Nagelsmaan back who said no then asked Tuchel to stay who’s now said he won’t be staying so I wouldn’t believe them saying that to be honest.
Neither.
Really don't fancy Tuchel but think it's too early for McKenna as well. Would rather see us go for McKenna though.
Looks like former players getting jobs due to their playing careers. Meanwhile, McKenna has risen due to being highly regarded as a coach.
Arsenal and Leeds at the time transfer were both our biggest league rivals though
Mate Liverpool is a completely different kettle of fish. Look at what happened to Owen's legacy after his move here.
I would be shocked if Alonso ever agreed to manage us. No chance in my book!
Can understand if mckenna wants to go for united or Chelsea but surely he would be better served staying at Ipswich or going to brighton
If McKenna didn’t have any previous United connection I think the overwhelming fan narrative would be it’s too soon and he needs to prove himself with a season in the premiership.
Back to back promotions with Ipswich is truly outstanding but we’ve seen stars burn brightly initially with new managerial careers - eg Keane at Sunderland, Gerrard with Rangers - before fading. McKenna has obviously achieved more, and looks a genuine tactician but the leap is gigantic.
Brighton is the most sensible move for him, stable and extremely well run from top to bottom so he can hit the ground running. But it would obviously be extremely difficult to turn down a once in a lifetime opportunity.
I think INEOS think the same but Chelsea sacking Poch is forcing our hand
Back to back promotions with Ipswich is truly outstanding but we’ve seen stars burn brightly initially with new managerial careers - eg Keane at Sunderland, Gerrard with Rangers - before fading. McKenna has obviously achieved more, and looks a genuine tactician but the leap is gigantic.
Brighton is the most sensible move for him, stable and extremely well run from top to bottom so he can hit the ground running. But it would obviously be extremely difficult to turn down a once in a lifetime opportunity.
I think INEOS think the same but Chelsea sacking Poch is forcing our hand
Very excited by McKenna. Feels like the perfect fit for the INEOS model. Won't be instant success, but can see the leadership and manager working hand in hand to reach long-term goals.
McKenna
You are right about that. But I also think that it matters. The United connection, and the fact that it was so recent, means that he knows the club and quite a few players very well.
I also think that there was an element of cultural fit with OGS that worked well. Despite OGS not being good enough and him and the club making several mistakes. I think what makes McKenna stand out is an attacking approach.
Think Mckenna would be a better fit.
he’ll be a bit of a yes man…accept the players he’s given…and just left to solely focus on coaching the team and improving the players.
if the set up works with Wilcox, Ashworth, Berrada…it could work a treat
I’d have some reservations, not about epl experience but just his age in general. Can he command the respect of the more experienced players or would he be seen as weak and could be influenced.
that said I’d much prefer to give him the chance instead of tuchel - who causes unrest where he goes and Poch - who just hasn’t quite get any team he’s managed to the next level
he’ll be a bit of a yes man…accept the players he’s given…and just left to solely focus on coaching the team and improving the players.
if the set up works with Wilcox, Ashworth, Berrada…it could work a treat
I’d have some reservations, not about epl experience but just his age in general. Can he command the respect of the more experienced players or would he be seen as weak and could be influenced.
that said I’d much prefer to give him the chance instead of tuchel - who causes unrest where he goes and Poch - who just hasn’t quite get any team he’s managed to the next level
This fanbase has a real obsession with sending people off to “develop” until they’re good enough. The amount of people that wanted Amad off on loan again.. if this fanbase had its way we’d have sent Giggs on loan until he was 26 until he’d one day be good enough for us.
Even experienced managers lose the dressing room. The important thing is that we have a structure in place where clear authority is given to McKenna through those above him. Unequivocal support and whatever the situation is, the manager is right. No players going above or around him or using their agents to sway him or those above him. Just total support and anyone that doesn’t like it can look for a new club.
Personally, I'd prefer United to be a team that makes the play, that wants to have the ball and dominate opponents with both possession and territory, a la City, Bayern, Barca, PSG, Arsenal etc. The counterpunching styles of Moyes, Mourinho, Solskjaer and Ten Hag just don't really do it for me - it can sometimes be effective but I've got a bit bored of seeing United sit deep and narrow with 30% possession (as we will this afternoon) every time we play someone decent. I also don't think you can really win major trophies anymore playing that way. For that reason (and a few others), I'd favour Tuchel.
Which is ridiculous by the way. These players are professionals. Outside of football people leave their jobs and join competitors all of the time, it is their life, their livelihood & their families they are supporting so why should fans begrudge someone who served them so well their own choice of career move?
You are trying to bring logic into football which doesn't exist.
If you are looking at it empirically there is no reason for anyone to support a bunch of men in shorts kicking a ball of air. We do it for emotional reasons, not logical ones.
Also, if you are talking about people working in corporate jobs moving, I don't think any company has a fanbase like football clubs do, so who exactly would be upset? Plus if you do join competition, many times you are basically burning your bridges with your current employers. This is the same happening here, just at a larger scale with more people involved.
Not arsed. I'll trust the new guys in charge of making the decision on this
In case the rumors are true and ten Hag will be leaving it is a no-brainer to give Tuchel a try in my opinion. If McKenna confirms the potential he seems to have we surely can get him at any point in the future and he will still be very young.
Right now I would not again try a step-up manager as the risk is too high to fall further behind.
Right now I would not again try a step-up manager as the risk is too high to fall further behind.
Agree. McKenna belongs to a new generation of coaches with a very analytical approach to football and a leadership style that is more suited to today's players. Maybe the same approach to coaching and managing as Pep, but with different preferences or principles regarding style of play.
Tuchel had his opportunity to prove he is a unique or top 5 manager in the world, but he has failed in that regard, and in my opinion his status is in decline.
I would prefer supporting a young manager on his way up and with potential to become a unique manager with great history (trophies). Besides McKenna is one of our owns. Victories and trophies will taste better and more United with him compared with another old manager-mercenary.
McKenna will also symbolise a new start or a more long term build up - which definitely is needed. Tuchel will symbolise a short term view and impatience, but no manager will be able to turn our ship in a year or two, and perhaps German-Dutch managers isn’t for United.
United has to aim at reaching top-4 next couple of years and maybe challenging for the biggest titles in 3y. Pretty much the same as Arsenal and Arteta did when they buillded up a new team.
So we want to go down the route of sacking another manager in 2 years time because let’s not pretend Tuchel is staying longer than 2 years if he comes. We need to give over with these types of managers.
Neither. Last I read he's staying and that INEOS want to continue with him.
That’s sort of how I remember it/them. Though I don’t have much stats to back anything up
I suppose he took over a lampard side (it was Lampard right?), who similar to EtH’s side, was in free fall, conceding way too many chances etc. Again, nothing to back it up, just how I recall it. So he at least made them “hard to beat” (extremely solid) and if I recall, their form during his first 6 months was up there at/near the top of the league! But yeah, never found them inspiring or anything. Just functional/solid.
Maybe I’m completely wrong and it’s one of those false narratives that just perpetuated over time, but it feels like his entertainment value isn’t super high but I guess maybe that’s what we need - structure, turnover the squad, implement some principles and then look at who’s available in a year or two if it doesn’t work out with TT. So I’d probably choose TT, and give McKenna another year or 2 whilst our squad is refreshed.
Obviously Tuchel
Neither.
Feels like the job is too big for McKenna. I understand he is aspiring to be in the hot seat at United, just like anyone in any field aspires for a job in that “big company”. But it just feels too early for him and United will be worse off in this gamble should things go wrong.
Tuchel’s stock is on the decline and he may want to prove to the world that he’s got it, and will look for quick fixes to get results. Again if things go wrong, he will leave United worse off.
Anyone else available is a gamble as well, so I’m glad I don’t have to make this decision.
Feels like the job is too big for McKenna. I understand he is aspiring to be in the hot seat at United, just like anyone in any field aspires for a job in that “big company”. But it just feels too early for him and United will be worse off in this gamble should things go wrong.
Tuchel’s stock is on the decline and he may want to prove to the world that he’s got it, and will look for quick fixes to get results. Again if things go wrong, he will leave United worse off.
Anyone else available is a gamble as well, so I’m glad I don’t have to make this decision.
Tuchel 
Yes, this guy can be a pain in the ass, he is very straightforward and he isn’t everybody’s darling, but if you fulfill his wishes, I’m sure he could be successful with ManUtd. However, a lot depends on the support of the management board. Maybe Tuchel has also learned from his experience at Bayern. Though Tuchel doesn’t necessarily stand for possession football but rather a pragmatic approach.
Yes, this guy can be a pain in the ass, he is very straightforward and he isn’t everybody’s darling, but if you fulfill his wishes, I’m sure he could be successful with ManUtd. However, a lot depends on the support of the management board. Maybe Tuchel has also learned from his experience at Bayern. Though Tuchel doesn’t necessarily stand for possession football but rather a pragmatic approach.
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I like McKenna so please get Tuchel, we are ruining the next one as well.
Think about it from a Game Theory perspective...
Stay at Ipswich / move to Brighton
A) Do well, earn move to 'bigger' club
B) Do badly, get the sack, find new club at similar level or lower.
Move to Manchester United / Chelsea
C) Do well, cement position as "elite coach"
D) Do badly, get the sack, find club at Ipswich / Brighton level.
So there really is no downside to taking a 'bigger' job for McKenna.
In either scenario C) or D), he's no worse off and his best-case scenario in option A) or B) is that he gets a move to a bigger club...which is exactly what's on the table now!
The only possible option caveat is IF you can make a case that he can learn SO much at Brighton or Ipswich that he'd be better prepared for United / Chelsea...then you might consider option "A".
I don't buy that argument personally...not when he already has direct experience coaching "top" players at United. I think he risks more by not taking the job than he does by taking it.
Such a strange way to support the club. We don't deserve to be successful, we might ruin the next coach. Despite the new owners bringing in really promising guys in key positions such as CEO, DOF absolutely nothing will change. Great mentallity.
If I have to choose, McKenna. I am sick and tired of managers and players who managed/ played for Chelsea.
The trouble is that the fans are so toxic and that they want success immediately. The squad is not good enough but they somehow want to be successful over state sponsored clubs.
Chelsea is a better choice for both Tuchel and McKenna. They have a better squad and their last 10 games they came back strongly. They are definitely getting more points next season. They could make the CL places.
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The latest leak about sacking ETH isn't really promising at all. Not so sure things have changed that much. Hope I am wrong, supported this club for 40 years and this is just getting ridiculous. Hope the new owners will get it right.
United clearly didn’t leak it though? They can’t put a gun to everyone else’s heads to force silence.
Am I the only one who thinks Mckenna or Poch would be equally exciting for different reasons?
My main thing about Erik is the favouritism of Antony but there is nothing he could do about the injury situation so I would feel for the guy if he gets the boot.
I would be more excited with McKenna. It's a high risk move and he could be gone in an year, but he has the potential to succeed. Tactically he's shown his capability and more importantly he's gotten his team to massively overperform, the bare minimum needed for every successful manager.
With Poch, I think he would get us top 4 but that seems to be his ceiling. He has shown over a fairly long career now he can't consistently compete for the big titles.
Don't get me wrong I prefer Mckenna for the unknown ceiling, but I think there's a good potential in both.
I was listening to a podcast earlier with a Chelsea journalist (I forgot the name) but he said a very senior decorated player at Chelsea called Poch "the best man manager I've ever had" which was an insane level of praise given the managers he's worked under. Maybe it was Sterling or Silva, but that's exciting too.
Well whoever it is I hope they are successful. But that's for next season. Hopefully, today we can win the cup and say farewell to ETH in style ( if he is indeed leaving, as it appears).