Mayweather v Pacquiao (2 May 2015) | NO requesting streams/rivers etc in this thread

Who will win ?

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Classical Mechanic said:
Not really. It would be reductive to the art of boxing if you worked like that. I mean Rigondeaux is probably the most skilled fighter in the game but would lose against a heavyweight like Tyson Fury. To consider Fury a greater fighter than Rigondeaux, well, I think that I need to take a bath!
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That's the thing. If that chap you mention would get beaten by someone stronger how can he be legitimately be called the better boxer. The better boxer is surely the one most likely to win, in a boxing match?

Or is serena Williams a better tennis player than, say, pete Sampras. Or a female footballer with 10 ballon for equivalents better than Messi. Not for me.

I'm playing devils advocate here but I find this interesting.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
That's the thing. If that chap you mention would get beaten by someone stronger how can he be legitimately be called the better boxer. The better boxer is surely the one most likely to win, in a boxing match?

Or is serena Williams a better tennis player than, say, pete Sampras. Or a female footballer with 10 ballon for equivalents better than Messi. Not for me.

I'm playing devils advocate here but I find this interesting.
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Okay, I'll try give you a counter-argument. It's like saying that someone like Luca Badoer (one of the worst Formula 1 drivers in recent times) is better than lets say, Alonso when he was in GP2 (lower 'division' than Formula 1). Just because Badoer was in a more powerful car, and thus can do quicker laps doesn't mean he's a better driver than someone in a different division. If you follow me? Also, there's man cases of small lads becoming heavyweight champs - notably Jones Jr, or even David Haye or Adamcech (however it's spelt!?!).
 
RobinLFC said:
So if you're going to bet on something, are Mayweather on points at 1.80 and/or Pacquiao in Round 1-3 at 21.00 a fair bet or are the chances of the latter happening too small?
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Pacquiao is more likely to get a KO in early rounds. Mayweather is incredible at adjusting o other fighters. Once/if he gets used to Pacquaio's timing he'll be untouchable. As someone also already said however, Mayweather will just tuck in his chin and do his boring shoulder roll.
 
Spoony said:
I think Manny will try to knock him out.
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My advice to any fighter against Mayweather would be to start fast. Sometimes he takes a few rounds to find his groove and, when he does, it's game over. I just can't see Mayweather being knocked out though. The magnitude of this fight will probably bring out the best in him. Manny will be landing a lot on shoulder and gloves for 3 rounds before Mayweather takes over and wins on points, scoring some cracking counters as Manny gets frustrated along the way.
 
In fact, the more I think about it, I think Mayweather is more likely to score the KO. If he gets dragged into a war, or decides to go toe to toe, I could see this happening. I can't get JMMs KO of Pacquiao out of my head, it's the type of punch Floyd will land for fun as the fight progresses.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
That's the thing. If that chap you mention would get beaten by someone stronger how can he be legitimately be called the better boxer. The better boxer is surely the one most likely to win, in a boxing match?

Or is serena Williams a better tennis player than, say, pete Sampras. Or a female footballer with 10 ballon for equivalents better than Messi. Not for me.

I'm playing devils advocate here but I find this interesting.
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I see your point, but boxing should be looked at like a martial art. A 130 lbs master of tae kwon do/judo/bjj would probably not be able to defeat a 260 lbs novice due to the huge weight advantage, but you would not say that the novice is the better practitioner of that particular martial art.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
That's the thing. If that chap you mention would get beaten by someone stronger how can he be legitimately be called the better boxer. The better boxer is surely the one most likely to win, in a boxing match?

Or is serena Williams a better tennis player than, say, pete Sampras. Or a female footballer with 10 ballon for equivalents better than Messi. Not for me.

I'm playing devils advocate here but I find this interesting.
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Being a better boxer doesn't just mean they'd win in a fight. It's a collection of skills. The heavyweights would exploit weight and height, which doesnt make him a better boxer. You''ll often hear it referred to as 'pound for pound best fighter', which is self explanatory. That what people in boxing care about and is the pinnacle of the sport.
 
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rednev said:
I see your point, but boxing should be looked at like a martial art. A 130 lbs master of tae kwon do/judo/bjj would probably not be able to defeat a 260 lbs novice due to the huge weight advantage, but you would not say that the novice is the better practitioner of that particular martial art.
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In any eastern martial art, I'd expect the novice to get absolutely destroyed. The bigger they are, the harder they fall ;)
 
Just found out that Alex Ariza is now in Mayweather's camp?! This was the guy who was suspected of doping Manny when Floyd made all those accusations! You couldn't make this up.
 
Ødegaard said:
I strongly doubt a boxer is the number 1 athlete in the world.
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Yeah....well I question your strength then. Because they are up there, easily. The gruelling training isn't for nothing, it's the toughest sport there is.
 
Zen said:
Yeah....well I question your strength then. Because they are up there, easily. The gruelling training isn't for nothing, it's the toughest sport there is.
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Are you bloody stupid?
You can question my strength all you want, my strength is zip zero as i live with a broken body with medicine that makes it even more broken.
I didn't question if they were up there, I've even stated that I do not dispute that.
I said and have now bolded it for future morons that I doubt that a boxer is the number 1 athlete in terms of fitness in the world.
It was a response to someone claiming that Floyd was the number 1, as in no one at his level and no one above it.
(which we later found out was meant as per income together with being a top athlete, and not as the undisputed number one in terms of fitness)

Do you guys truly believe that Floyd is levels above someone like Ronaldo, Lebron James, top MMA fighters, Michael Phelps, top gymnasts, Rich Froning, top american football players etc etc?
Please get your head out of your asses. I didn't even state that it is impossible that he is above them, I said that I doubt that he can be stated as the number one, without a question.
 
Zen said:
Yeah....well I question your strength then. Because they are up there, easily. The gruelling training isn't for nothing, it's the toughest sport there is.
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@Ødegaard its a really really tough sport. Try jogging on the spot for 2 minutes while guarding your face and swing some punches. Tiring huh? Now repeat this 12 times. Very tiring huh? And just remember an actual boxing match is 100x more intense
 
Best bet I've seen:

Boxing
Boxing Matches
Floyd Mayweather Jr V Manny Pacquiao
3rd of May 2015 05:30 am
Land Most Punches
Manny Pacquiao @ 10/11

He'll throw significantly more punches than Mayweather, that is guaranteed. The odds on Pacquiao throwing more are 1/18! Mayweather will land more as a percentage of shots thrown but he tends to win based on quality of shots rather than volume. It will be settled on compubox stats and looking through historical data I think my hypothesis is borne out by the numbers.
 
Why?

Ødegaard said:
Do you guys truly believe that Floyd is levels above someone like Ronaldo, Lebron James, top MMA fighters, Michael Phelps, top gymnasts, Rich Froning, top american football players etc etc?
Please get your head out of your asses. I didn't even state that it is impossible that he is above them, I said that I doubt that he can be stated as the number one, without a question.
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Levels above? No. I don't even strongly believe it, I just think there is argument for it. And he/Manny, hell a lot of boxers(specifically the gymrat ones) are above most of the ones you said.
 
Running out of places to watch this,
All bars fully booked. dont have sky box office! sky not offering option to watch it on sky go!

Anyone have any ideas where else to watch this uninterrupted...?
 
Zen said:
Why?



Levels above? No. I don't even strongly believe it, I just think there is argument for it. And he/Manny, hell a lot of boxers(specifically the gymrat ones) are above most of the ones you said.
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Yep.
 
Anyone else lumping on Mayweather at 1.64?

I think it's brilliant value. Pac's popularity has swayed the price here, surely.
 
To the discussion of boycotting the fight because of Mayweather's history of domestic violence you should just boycott all boxing. Anyone who follows boxing a little bit has to be a bit numb to all this. Since everyone knows the long term effects of Boxing boxer usually come from desperate circumstances in violent environments. So there has been a lot of fighters with criminal records and serious allegations against them. Even the likes of Sugar Ray Leonard and Oscar De La Hoya have checkered records.
 
I don't like Floyd but people need to stop bringing up the past. The people that are bringing it up and saying they'll boycott are those who only come out of the woodwork for big fights and/or want to make people feel bad for watching the fight and/or don't want to pay for PPV and/or are just hating. This is just about the two best boxers in the world going at it, let it be.
 
JR10 said:
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@Ødegaard its a really really tough sport. Try jogging on the spot for 2 minutes while guarding your face and swing some punches. Tiring huh? Now repeat this 12 times. Very tiring huh? And just remember an actual boxing match is 100x more intense
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In fairness boxing is tough
But I have had boxing matches, ju jitsu competitions, muay Thai fights and mma fights... Boxing is certainly a little easier than the last two. (esp five minute mma rounds)
 
sun_tzu said:
In fairness boxing is tough
But I have had boxing matches, ju jitsu competitions, muay Thai fights and mma fights... Boxing is certainly a little easier than the last two. (esp five minute mma rounds)
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Have you boxed twelve rounds at a high level though?

I think where boxing gets its tag as the hardest sport in the world is because you take shots to the head for twelve rounds. You risk brain damage and death more than in other martial arts.
 
Does everyone want Pacquiao win? He's more likeable than Mayweather, for sure.

Will the winner be remembered as the Mohammed Ali of our era?
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Have you boxed twelve rounds at a high level though?

I think where boxing gets its tag as the hardest sport in the world is because you take shots to the head for twelve rounds. You risk brain damage and death more than in other martial arts.
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I boxed at a decent level including sparing (not heavy) with Carl frotch a few times as he trained with some of my coaches... Fought pro muay Thai, and have been in full on sparing camps with ufc fighters so I'd say yeah I have a good grounding in what I say.
 
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