Certainly why we can't flog the deadwood
Matthijs De Ligt
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Certainly why we can't flog the deadwood
Exactly. Meanwhile Liverpool peddle tat like Minamino and Neco Williams for £30m odd with zero fuss. It's farcical.
I dont think those players are/were on the same type of wages as our deadwood players. Players arent likely to take huge wage cuts so the buying club will allocate more of their money to paying the player their wages and cant use that money as transfermoney.
Minamino came from Salzburg and wasnt a big signing or name. What would he have been on? I bet its less than Bailly is on for example.
You can do that when they are playing enough and not on utterly ridiculous wages
Yeah that's I was driving at. Woodward's (and Matt Judge's) philosophy of overpaying players means we aren't able to sell them to raise funds to finance other deals. It drives me absolutely barmy.
What on earth are you talking about? Have you bothered to read the conversation you are wading in on? We were talking about Woodward's failed approach to negotiations are why we are in this mess (of which contracts are a massive part). Do try and keep up.
Yeah those two clowns philosophy (LVG memory shudder) has cost us being able to raise any realistic funds from sales
Aha, no worries. Nah I lay the blame almost entirely on Woodward's doorstep. It was a car crash from beginning to end and set us back decades.Sorry about that
I thought you where throwing blame at the current set up
Most people compare themselves to what they would get somewhere else, it’s not about what their colleagues get.
Why we are in this mess is the managers/players we threw money at, Real Madrid, PSG, City, Chelsea etc all throw money at their problems and mostly works out fine, better than United anyway.
So, for instance, you don’t think when Dean Henderson sat down for his contract talks his agent pointed out “well David De Gea is making 300k a week, so on that scale my client is worth at least 130k”?
You don’t think when De Gea sat down for those conversations his agent said “well if Alexis Sanchez is being paid 400k a week, my client is worth at least 300k”?
If you think this doesn’t matter then you are, quite frankly, clueless.
It’s up to the club negotiators to point out to Henderson’s agent, “good luck getting 130k” at another club
You got cause and effect mixed up. Bayern winning the league 10 years in a row is not destroying the league, the destroyed league is why Bayern wins 10 times in a row. Bayern didn't increase dramatically in quality, you can see that by them not winning the CL every season (and getting booted comparatively early recently, too). If anything, Bayern is maintaining the level of quality they had since 2013 while the league is going to the gutter pretending Bayern has somehow found the magic trick to cheat everyone out of the title.
Case in point: Bayern getting kicked out of the domestic cup by a nobody team last season. Absolutely embarassing, reminding me of 90s Bayern losing to nobody teams.
Im sure you'd like to believe that but thats not true. Its not like the German league is worse than 10 years ago. Bayern IMO did destory the league when they started going after Dortmunds best players. From that point on all competition was gone. Bayern also buys players it doesnt really need, like Gorertzka for example. Its just to weaken the competition. Last year Upamecano from Leizpig, when they started to look like a team that might be a fierce competitor. Bayern can do it and it's not against the rules at all, but Bayern has destroyed the league with it. It's not very sympathetic either and it's not neciserry. Bayern have so much funds they can get proven players from anywhere, without needing to raid their biggest competitors.
Sure they are.
He is an undisputed starter but they don’t need him and just wanted to weaken Schalke? They also didn’t buy him but facts might confuse you further.
Someone just needs to tell him that he must not handle the ball. I can't believe no one at Juve ever did this. Idiots.
We can't even get close to deals for people we want, so not much chance of our suits even having heard of this guy... 
they are getting around 50mil for ake, so could definitely see it happening
their squad is just mental especially with him in the mix.Shite source but it is City. They'll happily spunk spunk spunk money on any position every summer without care.
Oh i’m not saying it’s Bayern’s fault at all, whatever has caused it (weaker league or stronger Bayern) the end result will be the same if it carries on.
It's never to weaken the competition. That's just a sob story people tell themselves to justify why their teams suck. Every team can only field 11 players at a time, buying players to weaken the competition is beyond silly as a strategy. It's also expensive. Bayern does what every team does, they buy to strengthen their squad. Btw, so does every other team in the league, they buy from smaller teams. Just turns out they're not very good at the mental game. Dortmund ain't losing the championship in those two games vs. Bayern, they lose it losing to dogshit teams. That's not on Bayern, who haven't bought/acquired a player from Dortmund in almost a decade, think it was Hummelts in 2015? That excuse doesn't work anymore.
You’re serious when you put Fred as a DM? That’s maybe Fred’s worst qualities on display if played there.
No they don't, they only buy quality for fair prices and on average salaries (at least in the eyes of the law). We on the other hand throw money around like it's running out of fashion.
De Ligt and Varane would be a dream pairing. The owners won't spend the money on the stadium, so they might want to invest in players.
Every time a city signing is made, they fertilise an egg to create a new player. This is made in an environmentally friendly and economically sustainable way, so they can achieve zero-carbon status by 2050. Meanwhile, the evil giga corporation at United are responsible for about 99% of global warming.
Wages are only part of it.
Our moany fanbase will also riot if we sell players when their value is high.
We could have sold Henderson to Chelsea for 35-40m at the end of 2020-21 season; this place would have been rioting if we did that.
Same for Rashford - both English clubs and the likes of PSG/Barca would have spent 75m on him then.
Our fanbase is a big part of why we can't sell players at high fees.
Wouldn’t be surprise if de Ligt ends up in City for £80-85m.
He wouldn't play ahead of Dias and Laporte.
Relax, he is going to Bayern.
which tells you all you need to know - how many mistakes hve they made in the past 5-6 years? Pretty much none (although, agreed the Bundesliga is a one-horse race. but always go deep in the CL)
Well, we bought Tolisso for €40m and Renato Sanches for €35m... But all in all I agree.
The current problem is more keeping the players then buying them.
Regarding de Ligt: Bayern needs a leader in defense and neither Davies, Hernandez, Upamecano, Pavard, nor Mazraoui is that (yet?). De Ligt is a leader. And pretty good at football.
Brazzo is in Turino this week negotiating with Juve and I expect them to find a solution #brazzomasterclassincoming
Absolutely the evil empire.
This is the sob story Dortmund will like everyone to believe. In the last 10yrs Bayern signed 3 players from Dortmund (Gotze, Lewy Hummels), The last one(Hummels a Bayern youth) was 6yrs ago. 2 of those 3 returned to Dortmund within 3yrs. Does anyone believe that if Bayern did not sign Lewandowski, he will be in Dortmund now? Like Pulisic, Gundogan Aubameyang, Dembele Sahin, Kagawa Mikitaryan etc
Goretzka is a core Bayern starter and Bayern was interested when he was at Bochum and the time he left Schalke. Leipzig have lost Werner and Konate as well to non Bayern clubs which made them weaker, And like Lewandowski if Upa did not go to Bayern he would still not be playing for Leipzig
Bayern like every top club look for players that will improve their teams, Its easier to get players that are playing for teams below them in Standing as the players see this as upward movement in their career. If you expect Bayern to pass up opportunities just because they play for a local rival? Madrid did not pass up Ramos, Barcelona did not pass up Rakitic and Griezzman. Man Utd did not pass up Carrick RvP and Berbatov when they had the chance
Tolisso, Lucas Hernandez, Pavard, Sane?
Bayern has European ambitions and intend to do well in the CL, weakening to accommodate the BL will only make them uncompetitive in Europe like in the mid 2000s when a quarter final run was the best. Nowadays Bayern not making semis is seen as a disaster
The only feasible solution is for the other teams to step up and match Bayern (easier said than done)
If Bayern become poor/bad, step down to the level of the chasing pack then we can have a competitive Belgian/Dutch league scenario. I am not sure how many people follow those leagues
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