I agree.
Who monitors these tiers? Do journalists aspire to climb the tiers? Can someone drop down the tiers?
"Ohhh, the tiers of immeasurable sadness! Yummy, you guys!"
Matthijs de Ligt / signs for Juventus, lowering their average age to 56
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Who monitors these tiers? Do journalists aspire to climb the tiers? Can someone drop down the tiers?
"Ohhh, the tiers of immeasurable sadness! Yummy, you guys!"
It's odd to choose Juve over Barcelona, though. Whereas with United, there's that lovely childhood dream and an actual project to achieve even before he's hit his prime. With Juve, it's just a full collecting of titles and maybe an outside chance at the CL
C'mon now, Juve is a great team and they are clearly going for the CL. What is our project? Fighting for TOP 4 for the foreseeable future? Choosing PSG would be stupid from him as they cannot offer him anything apart from money which he has plenty of time to earn elsewhere. However picking Barca or Juve over us is a no brainer.We do not know exactly what his motivations are. I, at 19 years old, would have let me influence with ease. 12 million euros and an agent with an overflowing personality that overwhelms you.
Maybe a person teaching the city in a certain way, or certain luxuries may be more important than putting a challenge on the table.
Think that with 19 years what he has seen is Messi and Cristiano, and he has the possibility of playing with him.
In any case, what I do not like, is that it seems that nowadays the players plan what they will do in 2023, quite discouraging.
Now collecting titles is a negative. Seriously, listen to what you are saying, let's go to the team that has been a mess the last years in hopes that they get it right this time instead of going to one of the best teams in Europe with a real chance of competing for the CL.
Juve's won the league for the past ten years in a row almost. A 'great competition' it is not.
That monopoly is happening in all the leagues.
You're misinterpreting - I'm comparing the choice of Juve versus Barca not Juve v United. From the sporting side, if he feels ready for Juve then it's odd to me that he wouldn't have also been ready for and chosen Barcelona. The pit stop at Juve is a bit moot unless he is extremely impressionable by the money or country for some reason.
On the other hand, going to United is easier to explain from a sentimental side - De Ligt has long admired the premier league and Manchester United especially. The team isn't currently in the same sporting category as Barca and Juve, let's be real. So it's a different challenge. And it may in fact mean more to him.
As far as I'm aware that's what he was doing with Ajax and it turned out very well for him and the club.
If anything, this guy knows the value of serious and hungry low profile players. I bet he takes the likes of Longstaff much more seriously than you do.
Delia is clearly a member of this site who is enjoying the hooha about his move.
In reality contracts were signed weeks ago snd he is just taking the piss.
Nothing will be revealed until deadline day or until this thread closes, whichever comes first.
In reality contracts were signed weeks ago snd he is just taking the piss.
Nothing will be revealed until deadline day or until this thread closes, whichever comes first.
Now that we are clearly out of the running? Is he really that good or is it a case of being vastly overrated/betting on potential?
He has had a great season, but everyone in that ajax side had a great season..
He is a good young defender available for less than what a club like Napoli are asking for a defender like Koulibaly.. so I can see the attraction.. but the constant news cycles and stories are very similar to what PR firms do to build up a clients profile ..
Rioala just sat back and let people whip themselves into a frenzy and came in and collected more than he probably would have from this transfer.
He has had a great season, but everyone in that ajax side had a great season..
He is a good young defender available for less than what a club like Napoli are asking for a defender like Koulibaly.. so I can see the attraction.. but the constant news cycles and stories are very similar to what PR firms do to build up a clients profile ..
Rioala just sat back and let people whip themselves into a frenzy and came in and collected more than he probably would have from this transfer.
Between his obvious quality, the fact he's the club captain and has an impressive physique at such a young age, reportedly very down to earth and keen on football studies, I think this one is more than just another promise. Could be a legend in the making.
I bet he doesn't even know who Longstaff is.
Which makes all the noise about his insane wages, interest to move to PSG or other non-challenging leagues, and the lack of progress in his "95% done transfer to juve" all the more strange and out of place
Lindelof, although not as highly rated as De Ligt, obviously, had a very good season at Benfica and managed to go pretty far in the Champions League. But in his first season at United, he looked totally out of his depth, so much so that a lot of fans wanted him sold.
De Ligt might need a similar adaptation period. Considering that he'd be treated like United's defensive savior as soon as he joined, the amount of scrutiny and criticism he'd receive if he struggled in his first season might be devastating for his confidence and overall development. Juventus is the safer, more sensible option.
He looks like an absolute top talent but those considering him already one of the best in the world are overrating him. He still shows he's only 19 and makes many mistakes an experienced CB would't do.
I already mentioned it, Dugarry is a drama queen and best ignored. He is disgusted by something every other day.
I think he's the guy who could turn our defence around and his singing would send a clear message of intent which could help attract other big names such as Sancho. Yes, I think he's that good
Too much noise for a 19 year old CB. Far too much. He's not that good.
The problem with this type of contract is where it goes when it's time to renew it.
The problem with this type of contract is where it goes when it's time to renew it.
To be fair, what's the last time we've seen a 19 year old CB as good as him? You can't deny he's once in a generation talent - not a top 5 CB in the world yet, but top 10 comfortably imo. With half a decade of development and improvement still ahead of him, it's scary to think of his prime potential.
Honestly I wish he'd already sign for Juve or Barca or whoever (just not City/Liverpool) so we could move on, because deep down we're all still hoping he comes to United.
I actually understand why he choose Juventus over Barca. At Juventus, traditionally, great defender will be held in higher regard than any other place else in the world (the famous BBC). Whereas in Barca, attackers will get more attention.
Even Ramos still makes mistakes. And he's 33. Nobody is perfect. There is no PERFECT defender. People need to understand that.
De Ligt is the best ever defender for his age. Like Lippi said, even Maldini and Nesta weren't this good at 19
And i think he's already better than some high (or semi high
) rated defenders like Maguire and Stones... who are much older (and probably more expansive).De Ligt has played over 100 games at Ajax. Played a EL final, Nation League final, CL Semi-final, 20 caps already for the national team. He's the captain of Ajax. Pretty impressive for a 19 years old kid.
At the moment i think The Ligt belongs to the top 5 best defenders. Maybe top 3 after a good season at Juve/Barca/ManUnited (if he don't get injured).
But nobody can look into the future. Nobody knows how good he will be when he's 25.
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I don't know about 'as good as him'. I don't think we've seen a good 19 yr old CB with as much exposure as him though, which might warp our perception. Once in a generation talent is a big call for a CB. This is the type of position where you can find others.
It’s not really. It’s done by the community and they’ve monitored who is successful and doesn’t BS, who talks loads and is rarely right etc. It’s obviously not foolproof but it does work as a guide for people that don’t know.
If he had just quietly moved to United, ya, would have been ok. But with Raiola as the agent that was never happening. He's rejected Barca, upset the slavers and now contemplating Juve.
If the hype level was appropriate early on, Raiola has taken it to a whole new level just in time to see United sign him not just as the next big thing.
Even Ramos still makes mistakes. And he's 33. Nobody is perfect. There is no PERFECT defender. People need to understand that.
De Ligt is the best ever defender for his age. Like Lippi said, even Maldini and Nesta weren't this good at 19
And i think he's already better than some high (or semi high
De Ligt has played over 100 games at Ajax. Played a EL final, Nation League final, CL Semi-final, 20 caps already for the national team. He's the captain of Ajax. Pretty impressive for a 19 years old kid.
At the moment i think The Ligt belongs to the top 5 best defenders. Maybe top 3 after a good season at Juve/Barca/ManUnited (if he don't get injured).
But nobody can look into the future. Nobody knows how good he will be when he's 25.
Maguire and Stones are not as expensive. If you factor in the wages that De Ligt is supposedly going to earn he’ll be the most expensive centre back of all time, probably even adjusted for inflation. The deal is a monster one, even with Ajax’s refusal to allow a bidding war on the fee.
Juventus seem to be excited about announcing something tomorrow...
Seems like Di Marzio's sources about an announcement on Monday were accurate after all?
Seems like Di Marzio's sources about an announcement on Monday were accurate after all?
Rabiot?
Even Ramos still makes mistakes. And he's 33. Nobody is perfect. There is no PERFECT defender. People need to understand that.
De Ligt is the best ever defender for his age. Like Lippi said, even Maldini and Nesta weren't this good at 19
And i think he's already better than some high (or semi high
De Ligt has played over 100 games at Ajax. Played a EL final, Nation League final, CL Semi-final, 20 caps already for the national team. He's the captain of Ajax. Pretty impressive for a 19 years old kid.
At the moment i think The Ligt belongs to the top 5 best defenders. Maybe top 3 after a good season at Juve/Barca/ManUnited (if he don't get injured).
But nobody can look into the future. Nobody knows how good he will be when he's 25.
Which means nothing at all. He can turn out to be a 1 season wonder in a great collective. Bojan peaked at 17 when he scored one goal every 3 games, the supposed "2nd Messi". Player development isn't linear.
Bojan's "peak" came immediately after he broke into the first team, just like Januzaj or Rashford. Some players simply fail to develop. De Ligt on other hand was already a known wonderkid at 17, and he's made fantastic progress in past 2 years. There's absolutely no indication he should stop improving - he's a professional and even a leader, a rare quality at such age.
I know we're all understandably disappointed, considering our transfer window so far, but there's no need to be petty and start questioning De Ligt's quality because he turned us down. The #1 priority of this summer transfer window is to hold on to Paul Pogba and it looks like he should stay, that's essential.
That's where we disagree, I would never put him among the top 10 and certainly not top 20 either yet.
Not sure who else they’ve signed but Rabiot, Ramsey and De Ligt will all be on massive wages surely, on top of the current high earners at Juve.
Can they afford it?
Can they afford it?
Probably after selling cancelo
This is going to be resolved in the next week.
I don’t see how in truth. Those three players will add over £1 million a week to the wage budget.
The title ought to become "says 'no' to Barca, says 'no' to Paris, says 'no' to Juve...
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