Yeah, the stuff said about Coleman on here over the last couple of weeks hasn't made any sense to me either, he's a damn good fullback. I honestly don't think there's a lot in it between him and Darmian and the PL proven factor isn't to be sniffed at as we have seen before. If the £12.5M fee ends up correct though I think it's worth the risk as he physically looks like he should be able to adapt to the PL.
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Yeah, the stuff said about Coleman on here over the last couple of weeks hasn't made any sense to me either, he's a damn good fullback. I honestly don't think there's a lot in it between him and Darmian and the PL proven factor isn't to be sniffed at as we have seen before. If the £12.5M fee ends up correct though I think it's worth the risk as he physically looks like he should be able to adapt to the PL.
I dont think the current Italian side is that great.
Italy vs England. A few Darmian moments in there.
Saw that earlier, looks like a very fast and strong runner on the ball which is great to have. We might finally have that balance on both sides of the pitch at the back, with him on the right and Shaw on the left. Two very fast, strong and talented fullbacks who are good at both ends of the pitch. On paper at least, with Depay in front of Shaw and Di Maria on the right, it has the makings of being an excellent side (and a huge upgrade over what we've seen at fullback and the wings over the last few years).
I said he was important last season; not this season; which is obvious if we are going to replace him.
Looks like this one is a formality.
Have we ever had a succesfull Italian player?
Macheda had his Macheda moment and Rossi showed he is a great footballer when fit but showed that at other clubs.
Macheda had his Macheda moment and Rossi showed he is a great footballer when fit but showed that at other clubs.
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How come he's going so cheaply anyway?...Surely if United, Bayern and Napoli are all interested, Torino could have squeezed some more money out of it?
Seems like a bargain for a young-ish, Italian NT player.
Seems like a bargain for a young-ish, Italian NT player.
Sky Sports have been pissing me off lately. "Man United agree Darmian fee" being their top headline this morning, i thought something had happened. Turns out no one is any the wiser.
Used to be if it was on Sky Sports, it was done. I might just get rid and check BBC only from now on.
Used to be if it was on Sky Sports, it was done. I might just get rid and check BBC only from now on.
Yes, and you cited PL experience as the main reason when it's a load of nonsense.
There is a difference between being important and having no choice but to keep playing him.
This is what confuses me too; start of the season i would have bet my money on converted wingers as fullbacks. However the season progressed and he went on to say mcnair could be our RB for 10 years which confused me because he is a converted centre half. On top of that, rafael a fantstic winger/fullback looks like he isnt wanted and our best LB of the season isnt really the winger type either as he dribbles more centrally (blind) .
On top of that, whenever valencia and shaw did play they wernt exactly hugging the touchlines either.
When you see prices being paid by Juventus for their players you sort of realize that in Italy they no longer pay (or demand) top dollar for most players.
If we're adopting a high pressing game next season, we saw glimpses of last year, then much like Schmelzer and Piszczek in their Dortmund pomp, the best assets your full backs can have is energy and an ability to win the ball back via hard running, hassling and good positioning.
More often than not when play breaks down, the opponents wingers / wing forwards come into play, so while your central midfield may provide a defensive block, it's your full backs that will be making the first challenges and moves to win the ball back before your side can get enough men behind the ball to form a solid shape.
To be able to support in an attacking phase is a bonus. Early distribution, often simple but making it the right choice is key.
Ingredients it appears that Darmian looks to have in abundance at both right and left back.
More often than not when play breaks down, the opponents wingers / wing forwards come into play, so while your central midfield may provide a defensive block, it's your full backs that will be making the first challenges and moves to win the ball back before your side can get enough men behind the ball to form a solid shape.
To be able to support in an attacking phase is a bonus. Early distribution, often simple but making it the right choice is key.
Ingredients it appears that Darmian looks to have in abundance at both right and left back.
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Seems strange really. I almost feel a bit bad for Torino tbh, looks like Woody's pulled a number on them.
Throughout his career Louis van Gaal has reiterated his desire to have two good players that fit his profile per position, he likes competition for places. Darmian makes sense considering the price and Rafael's injury record.
THIS.
Not sure what everyone is complaining about. with "get the deal done" "woodward pay what they want"
i know its muppet season but ffs. Last couple transfer windows we got stiffed for some of the transfers. This year we look calculated and not just throwing money everywhere like we have a bottomless pit of cashAbsolutely this. Still sickened about £30M for Luke Shaw (jury still out on whether he's mentally tough enough to play for United), and that fee for Fellaini plus Di Maria. Can't keep throwing money away.THIS.
Not sure what everyone is complaining about. with "get the deal done" "woodward pay what they want"
Jones and Smalling aren't good enough going forward, McNair has potential and is still young so I don't find that weird. He started as a midfielder and is a good passer of the ball, he might not be a converted winger but he's good defensively and going forward so has the makings of a rightback.
On Darmian: we have a small squad regarding height, a tall rightback would surely help at setpieces if we aren't planning to use Fellaini every match. If he's good enough at following instructions combined with his stamina and good defensive act + passing he would tick most boxes and it wouldn't matter that he's a 'converted centreback' as he still contributes going forward. If Di Maria plays as a right winger (which I assume will happen) having a good defensive rightback covering him and providing width like Valencia did should work on paper. He might not fit the profile 100% but he would bring defensive balance and is a good realistic option if the reports are true.
The likes of Coleman, van der Wiel or even a tier below like Arias all lack the defensive part of their game too much for van Gaal I think. He wants an allround rightback and Darmian seems to fit this more. Again, never seen him play though..
Sickened! Ha! Melodrama. It was a lot but he's good. We can keep 'throwing money away' until the Glazers say otherwise.
THIS.
Not sure what everyone is complaining about. with "get the deal done" "woodward pay what they want"
When it works out (like this deal is looking) no one complains. Its when something like Hazard happens and lose out, thats when people really lose their marbles.
Finally a good fullback on a reasonable transfer fee. Good thing we did not get hosed for Coleman.
Complete load of shite lad
You notice he never mentioned the players in Serie A when he was making conparisons with Coleman. Cuadrado was good in Serie A how did he fair in the PL?
Talent is one thing - having the mentality to make use of that talent is another - and Shaw does not convince me and don't tell me he's only 19. At 19/20 you could see the huge ambition and confidence Ronaldo had already along with his talent which Shaw does not have and may never have.
Like I said before, if Everton are asking too much then fair enough but all things equal Id go for the PL tested RB who is actually good too
Cuadrado was also very good at the World Cup and very poor at Copa America. His slump had more to do with the fact that he's been completely out of form (and a bit misused) at Chelsea and doesn't fit their team at all than him being unable to adapt in Premier League (likewise Falcao, he wasn't poor because PL is so amazing but because he's completely out of form).
Of course they're not going to cost the same. Darmian is being priced at £12m, Coleman would be around £30m easily.
Good point. He and Shaw about 6'0, Smalling 6'4, and one of Otamendi/Ramos (who are very good aerially) makes for a nice backline with set-pieces.
Luke Shaw is a decent player (not great - not good enough to play for Bayern, Real or Barca), though he may become great.
The issue I have is that he is mostly injured, unfit or fat.
Sometimes players' bodies are designed for pro football and I just get a niggling feeling that Luke Shaw may be sold in a few years for very little money or may walk out on a free transfer.
£30M for L.Shaw (most expensive teenager football player, who happens to be injured most of the time or unfit to play 90 minutes) is bad business, in my book. We got fleeced.
Conversely, I think Memphis (also a player bought for his potential) will become great in a few years time, so I have no issue with his price-tag.
At least with Fellaini, we got our money's worth out of him last season. He played most of the games and was an important player.
Kenwright is that you?
Oh come on.
He's right though, Coleman got his contract until 2019, Everton got no real need to sell one of their best, if not the best, players so it would go 25 mln quid upwards.
Uh huh but you guarantee Darmian will slot in just fine and dandy eh?
Can you honestly see Everton letting Coleman go for £12m?
If he doesn't it won't be because of incredible level of football in Premier League.
We dont know exactly the fee, but you are kidding yourself if you think they would sell for anything less than 25m, i would also say something around 28m.
You know he is right, Coleman with 4 years left in his contract will cost around 25m minimum.
Thats not the point. Sarni thinks he knows what money would be involved
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