Mats Moller Deahli

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This thread is turning into one man's crusade to talk more and more shite, in as many varied way as possible.

Fergie himself said he was holding onto Macheda because he needs to keep an eye on him, due to his fiery personality. Letting Webeck go was a show of faith and he's getting far better and more extensive PL experience playing week in, week out for Sunderland than Macheda is with his few minutes here and there for United.

That specific example apart the hole in your argument a bus can be driven though is the quite frankly mental implication that there are local kids good enough for United that are being wilfully over-looked and ignored because we're intent on developing foreigners instead. Why the feck would our coaching staff do that? The fact is the local lads are given as much chance as anyone else to get their game but only a tiny minority of all the young footballers on our books will be good enough to have a long-term career at United. Where they happen to be born bears absolutely no relevance apart from the fact that, statistically speaking, our next homegrown star is more likely to be homegrown than foreign, if only because there's at least 2 or 3 (probably more) local lads for every foreigner in our academy.

EDIT: 6 or 7 to 1. Looks like I under-estimated.
 
WireRed said:
Possibly, and that is a logical conclusion to draw.

Thing is though, how many of our loanees over the years(no matter how gifted or how well they've done at other club's) have returned and gone on to make a mark on the first team? You can count them on one hand, that's for sure. Beckham and O'Shea are the only two that spring to my mind which isn't a great assurance.
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There's a greater proportion of loanees gone on to have a good career at United than young players on our books who DON'T go out on loan, that's for damn sure!
 
Pogue Mahone said:
This thread is turning into one man's crusade to talk more and more shite, in as many varied way as possible.

Fergie himself said he was holding onto Macheda because he needs to keep an eye on him, due to his fiery personality. Letting Webeck go was a show of faith and he's getting far better and more extensive PL experience playing week in, week out for Sunderland than Macheda is with his few minutes here and there for United.

That specific example apart the hole in your argument a bus can be driven though is the quite frankly mental implication that there are local kids good enough for United that are being wilfully over-looked and ignored because we're intent on developing foreigners instead. Why the feck would our coaching staff do that? The fact is the local lads are given as much chance as anyone else to get their game but only a tiny minority of all the young footballers on our books will be good enough to have a long-term career at United. Where they happen to be born bears absolutely no relevance apart from the fact that, statistically speaking, our next homegrown star is more likely to be homegrown than foreign, if only because there's at least 2 or 3 (probably more) local lads for every foreigner in our academy.
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Jesus Christ, I tried to seal off this discussion last night, I wished the kid well(and genuinely want him to do well and have said so since) and that was that on my part. I even PM'd you my thoughts on another patronising post of yours in order to avoid further sidetracking the thread. It's not my fault that everyone seems incapable of leaving it alone and sticking to the thread subject is it? I've been posed question that need answering. You might not concur with those answers and opinions but that's not to say it's "more and more shit".

I'll have you a bet that our next first team regular delivered from the academy is foreign, not that it'll prove anything either way, just that I fancy earning a few quid from something that's gradually increasing not just at United but all top English club's. If you're interested in backing you're ever less subtle opinions by putting your money where your mouth is, PM me.
 
peterstorey said:
Well at least he's given up spouting shite about Arsenal.
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That's your department, pal. Now that you've got involved in this chat, how's things going at the little cosmopolitan creche you've got going down there? Still snatching your Cesc's, Merida's, Song's, Clichy's, and co from their cradles?
 
Heck. Just look at our 1st team squad and tell me how the hell would a 'normal' youth prospect going to get through and stay there successfully? They either have to be absolutely brilliant, or just have to do enough to be seen as useful as a squad player. Considering how good our first team squad is, it's not really a surprise then not many make it here. Most still make a good career after leaving us. We can see how many of our ex youths playing in the EPL especially for other sides.
 
WireRed said:
Possibly, and that is a logical conclusion to draw.

Thing is though, how many of our loanees over the years(no matter how gifted or how well they've done at other club's) have returned and gone on to make a mark on the first team? You can count them on one hand, that's for sure. Beckham and O'Shea are the only two that spring to my mind which isn't a great assurance.
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Evans and Gibson, don't think anyone would suggest Foster's loan harmed his chances.
 
Fiskey said:
Evans and Gibson, don't think anyone would suggest Foster's loan harmed his chances.
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Evans is a good shout, forgot about his spell at Sunderland. Let's hope Danny benefits in a similar fashion.

Gibson and Foster never have, and never will make any long-term impact here although I hope Gibson proves me wrong on that assessment.
 
WireRed said:
That's your department, pal. Now that you've got involved in this chat, how's things going at the little cosmopolitan creche you've got going down there? Still snatching your Cesc's, Merida's, Song's, Clichy's, and co from their cradles?
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Merida is no longer with Arsenal. He is back in Spain I think with Atletico Madrid.
 
United have prided themselves at bringing youth through their ranks that's for sure. It happens that it was always English/British youth for a long time simply because for a long time that is the world we lived in.

Teams didn't have vast scouting networks across the globe in years gone by, they got to see and pick players from fairly close geographic regions.

As time has gone by and we've been able to identify talents across the globe, we've taken in a few and that will continue to happen. Living in la-la land to think United can continue to only live within the confines of the British isles because 20, 30 100 years ago that's what we did.
 
Shimo said:
United have prided themselves at bringing youth through their ranks that's for sure. It happens that it was always English/British youth for a long time simply because for a long time that is the world we lived in.

Teams didn't have vast scouting networks across the globe in years gone by, they got to see and pick players from fairly close geographic regions.

As time has gone by and we've been able to identify talents across the globe, we've taken in a few and that will continue to happen. Living in la-la land to think United can continue to only live within the confines of the British isles because 20, 30 100 years ago that's what we did.
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That's not how I think on this, I've no problem with our scouts identifying talent across the the world, I don't think it's right when we take advantage of their current club's inability to nail them to a pro deal until they are 18. That's the bone of contention here. It also IMO hinders our own youngsters chances although admittedly that is more open to debate.
 
Not that I followed the whole post or anything but maybe its a bit off Wirered, I understand the meaning of producing your very own youngsters/local lads, but they don't grow on trees and why in the world would there be trials ?

We have trials to test if the youngsters have enough talent, and once the scouts say its okay, we sign, simple as that...

I mean if you can build footballing brains, grow silky touches on tree's then I'd assume yes, I'd build on local lads only from Manchester etc... but this is the football world and its a race to sign the best players whatever age there are for the benefit of the club.

Like it hate it... Its football and its not like Manutd did anything illegal...
 
WireRed said:
That's not how I think on this, I've no problem with our scouts identifying talent across the the world, I don't think it's right when we take advantage of their current club's inability to nail them to a pro deal until they are 18. That's the bone of contention here. It also IMO hinders our own youngsters chances although admittedly that is more open to debate.
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In most case where we poach youth players, yes we are morally wrong but not in this case where it seems like they're pretty happy for him to develop further with us.
 
if we take WireRed's argument to its conclusion, we shouldn't be involved in the transfer market at all :wink:

i wouldn't mind it, but life would become unbearable for some :biggrin:
 
WireRed said:
Evans is a good shout, forgot about his spell at Sunderland. Let's hope Danny benefits in a similar fashion.

Gibson and Foster never have, and never will make any long-term impact here although I hope Gibson proves me wrong on that assessment.
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So what?

Gibsons being given the chance isn't he?

Point is we have a majority of English kids in our ranks. Everyone gets equal opportunities to WIN themselves opportunities and the best make it through. As simple as. And the way it should be. You don't become the best by discriminating for or against a nationality.
 
The most important issue that this thread raises is: Why do Noggy footballers have such fecking cool names?
 
Mats Moller Deahli is a pretty cool name. Magnus Wolff Eikrem is an amazing name.

Josh King is a quality one too.
 
WireRed said:
he's a British citizen working for a British organisation.
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And if the circumstances were the same and Pique was considered the player who would have gone on to become better, we would have kept him.

If all the organizations had your mentality they'd fall well behind the competition. Get with globalization. United I guess have more fans outside Uk than inside it.
 
WireRed said:
Because he's been trained by Manchester United, he is a product of United's academy unlike these ones we've imported from abroad at 15-16. Besides, he's a British citizen working for a British organisation.
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About your bizarre "Brits only" stance. This has to apply at all levels, right? I mean signing established foreign player blocks the development of young British players much more effectively than foreign kids, seeing as they definitely take up a place in the first team squad (as opposed to potentially, with additions to the academy)

This obviously means you wish the club had never signed cantona, ole, kanchelskis, ronaldo and nani. Bit of an odd thing for a United fan to be bothered about, don't you think?
 
But Pogue, the thing is we just have to develop British talent and give them a shot at it. If when they are 22 they prove to not be good enough, it's alright to bring in a Cantona, a Kanchelskis or a Kleberson. (Nevermind Ronaldo and Nani.)
 
Laphroaig said:
But Pogue, the thing is we just have to develop British talent and give them a shot at it. If when they are 22 they prove to not be good enough, it's alright to bring in a Cantona, a Kanchelskis or a Kleberson. (Nevermind Ronaldo and Nani.)
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How are you "giving them a shot" if you're importing 18-19 year olds as talented as Ronaldo and Nani?

This whole "blocking our local" talent angle is as xenophobic as it is retarded. If they're good enough they'll get their chance. If not, they won't. feck all to do with nationality.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
How are you "giving them a shot" if you're importing 18-19 year olds as talented as Ronaldo and Nani?

This whole "blocking our local" talent angle is as xenophobic as it is retarded. If they're good enough they'll get their chance. If not, they won't. feck all to do with nationality.
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I was trying to answer in line with Wire's logic, but Nani and Ronaldo ruined it.

I'm sure most would agree with two of his ideas, though, that we like to see local lads in the team (another reason to hope Welbeck makes it), and that the wisdom behind the 90 minutes rule is debateable.

Dyslexic Untied said:
Still doesn't work for me:confused:

Are you breaking the internet Lappy?
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I posted my reply a few seconds before I actually edited the original post, I didn't expect you to be that quick! And it's the internet who is breaking me. And you should call me Laffen.
 
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