Wow WireRed. You are fighting a losing battle but you still continue to argue your point. I respect you for that. I think.
Mats Moller Deahli
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Yup, from a club that is now bankrupt. He is a lifelong (short life though) United supporter and is from a relatively wealthy family, which doesn't need to have their son playing abroad to get by.
This story is nothing but good news for everyone involved as far as I can tell. United get what seems to be one of the bigger talents of Scandinavia, he fulfils his dream and I am sure Stabæk get a decent return for six months of work.
Nothing like the Macheda signing or any other, so WireReds outburst probably couldn't have been more mistimed.
Unless this kid from Norway has a condition that requires expensive, long-term treatment in order for him to play football professionally and he can't get it in his country, he's a totally different case altogether from Messi.
I can't see how wanting English club's to promote predominantly English or at least British player's from their ranks instead of swathes of foreigners has brought such a reaction.
Some Italian club president branded the actions of English club's with these youngsters as likeable to "pirates", he's not far wrong to be honest because it's wrong. The club's that trained these guys are getting them snatched with little or no compensation.
I'll settle for Platini as an ally in this two man crusade to restore morality to the market
I'll argue the toss on this all day because I believe I'm right. How is it right to sign a non-professional for nothing or at best a bag of crisps? It can't be. You don't see all these European club's nicking from English academies, and guess what...their academies are better for it, and their national teams are better for it.
What would be an appropriate compensation for the 9 months, or even less as Stabæk said he joined this spring, of training Stabæk have put into this kid?
Any good reason why "at least British"? I've mentioned Evans and others earlier. They aren't local lads and they won't improve the English national team, so why make exceptions for them? That comes down to why you want us to sign British kids, though, if it's because of the language, that'll be weird, but consistent at least. This is a genuine question, not having a go.
But you said: "I have a problem with poaching and tapping up rather than giving a gifted kid a chance to earn a living." It wasn't a given that this applied only to gifted kids with special health conditions.
Ask them. They won't get it though because of the loophole English club's have bent to breaking point over the last few years.
Well any Norwegian 15 year old speaks better English than most of the first teamers at United
The same President is a hypocrite!
Aurimas Vilkaitis - Player profile - transfermarkt.co.uk
Pajtim Kasami - Player profile - transfermarkt.co.uk
Cristiano Spirito - Player profile - transfermarkt.co.uk
Players Lazio have signed from other academies as youngsters in the past few years.
If Lazio weren't skint, they would have signed loads more.
how do you know his club haven't been compensated?
What you are saying is pure crap. Nothing has come out of Stabæk that makes them seem even slightly annoyed at this, rather delighted for the kid. And they have sent him over three times to train with United. If you want to start a discussion about youth policies and rules across Europe then please find or start an appropriate thread because in this case it's completely misplaced.
I'll settle for Platini as an ally in this two man crusade to restore morality to the market
I'll argue the toss on this all day because I believe I'm right. How is it right to sign a non-professional for nothing or at best a bag of crisps? It can't be. You don't see all these European club's nicking from English academies and guess what...their academies are better for it, and their national teams are better for it.
Ok. Let's follow you off on this tangent.
You are aware that "all these European" clubs have academies absolutely stacked with the best young talent from Africa and the Americas.
Have their national teams suffered as a result?
A player with a British passport should be eligable to join a British academy in the same way a Northern Irish person meets all criteria to work in the UK without going through appropriate channels because he/she is British. That's the law.
I'm not sure if you are implying that the Norwegian national team would be better for it if players like Husain, King, Eikrem and now Dæhli stayed in Norway and trained there. If so, I disagree completely. Any national team would benefit from their players getting the best training available.
Do you think John Arne Riise should have stayed in the Norwegian "Championship" (where he couldn't get a game) rather than join Monaco aged 17?
Do you think John Arne Riise should have stayed in the Norwegian "Championship" (where he couldn't get a game) rather than join Monaco aged 17?
The other concern is by sticking an arbitrary age of 18 on there, you are basically making fair anything the moment he turns 18. If big clubs are interested in a youngster forced to sign a professional contract with his club at 16, do you think he's going to be interested in extending his contract? The selling club will get even less in compensation!
So can Norwegians. And lots of others. England is very hospitable. (Well. To the EEA and EU at least.)
Anyway, now you're basing an argument on law. Your other argument is a moral one, and against law. If you want to say that it should be like that "because the law says so", should you not be consistant?
Name me an American in France, Italy, or Spanish club's that were brought through the academy, I'll be shocked if you manage one.
As for Africans, that's hard to analyse when you consider the heritage, immigration, duel-nationality business in France(I'll bet there's very few in Italy, Germany, Spain, Portugal etc).
By Americas he didn't just mean USofA. Messi would be an example...
At least he got a statue!
When he said Americas - I think he meant South America mainly.
Giovani Dos Santos (Mexican, Barcelona)
Giuseppe Rossi (American-Italian, Parma/Manchester United)
Gabriel Ferrari (American-Italian, Sampdoria)
Quentin Westberg (American-French (alright, he's not born in America, but is eligible for the States), Troyes)
Ever Banega - Boca/Valencia
Lionel Messi - Newell Old Boys/Barca
Diego Perroti - Deportivo Moron/Sevilla
Yeah I know, but if you are born British then you are entitled to work for a British company without any documentation and fuss, by the same token, if you are a British company you are free to employ British citizens without all that.
What I'm saying is that talented Irish, Welsh, and to a more limited extent Scottish player's have limited scope within their own independent nation to forge a career, so if they pursue employment within the British Isles, they should do so without problem unless they move club after signing with another due to financial incentives to the parents etc, that is wrong.
You are complaining about us buying players who are in their late teens generally but Barca bought the current best player in the world when he was only 12.
So you want to change EU employment/immigration law?
This is MILES off topic, sir.
This is MILES off topic, sir.
So one is Italian, playing for the Italian national team, one has a French passport and nationality.
OK, so that's two bonefide. Wasn't Dos Santos also signed for a fee from his club at the time on the back of the WYC?
Even if you include them all plus a few others you may dig up, it's still a very low percentage in relation to English club's.
Where in the hell is this thread heading?
It's about future United and Norway star Mats Møller Dæhli.
It's about future United and Norway star Mats Møller Dæhli.
At least 3 of the Barcelona team that won the Premier Cup during the summer were african. A few of the brightest prospects in Serie A are african aswell with Babacar and Agyei at Fiorentina Boakye at Genoa and Obi at Inter
Are their current club's their first or were they poached from other academies for zip? Not contradicting your point, just interested.
Alexis Sánchez (Chilean, Udinese)
Rafael Romo (Venezuelan, Udinese)
Juan Surraco (Uruguayan, Udinese)
Ricardo Villar (Argentine, Cesena)
Christian Ledesma (Argentine, Lecce)
Alexandre Pato (Brazilian, Milan)
Digão (Brazilian, Milan)
Babacar was brought from Senegal and Boakye from Ghana dont know about the others
Up it's own arse.
Thanks to one particular poster making a stupid opening post and deliberately dragging the whole thing miles off topic rather than admitting he was having a pointless little moan, with no grounds to do so.
Actually, I'm a mod, I should probably do some modding.
If anyone is interested in taking the discussion around this particular diversionary tactic any further then start a new thread or bump an existing thread. I'll be deleting off-topic posts from here.
Mats Møller Dæhli.
Discuss.
Discuss.
From what age though? And were they attatched to any club's? If not then there's nothing wrong, if yes then there's been foul play, either way it's nowhere near as common or as despicable as PL club's.
Come on Pogue. Don't delete any posts from this thread. Just delete any posts from now on if anyone says something off topic.
Fernando Tissone (Argentine, Udinese)
Felipe dal Belo (Brazilian, Udinese)
Adrián Ricchiuti (Argentine, Ternana)
Gustavo Franchin Schiavolin (Brazilian, Lecce)
Fabiano Medina da Silva (Brazilian, Atalanta)
Ignacio Piatti (Argentine, Roma)
Luis Antonio Jiménez (Chilean, Ternana)
Nicolás Gorobsov (Argentine-Italian, Vicenza)
Yup. That's the plan. Will leave previous posts in place.
From now on, though, the thread should be about the lad whose name is in the title.
Aw, but this was fun. And we probably won't have anything more to say about MMD for a few years. Except discussing how we should pronounce his name. Matt Molly Dolly?
Edit: Get in there, Lester.
Edit: Get in there, Lester.
If you'd kept your point to being solely about signing youngsters for jack shit being a bad practice, you'd get a lot more sympathy from me since I can understand that opinion. I'd still not blame the club, because we have to work with the system we have for the best of the club, but you can put forward a case that that's a bad thing to be happening. It's your saying that this is blocking our own youngsters progressing that's irritating me, because it's a fairly shallow, simplistic and unconvincing argument, backed up by nothing, seeming to be just a prejudice you hold.
And this Daehli lad doesn't even apply to the point you're making about poaching since he himself was poached under a year ago by the club we're getting him from.
Hence the "bizarre" reaction to your original post.
EDIT - feck, just saw Pogue's post. Bleeeh.
And this Daehli lad doesn't even apply to the point you're making about poaching since he himself was poached under a year ago by the club we're getting him from.
Hence the "bizarre" reaction to your original post.
EDIT - feck, just saw Pogue's post. Bleeeh.
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