Hummels has been crap. Big part of the reason why BVB have been lousy.
Mats Hummels
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Not at all. He took some time to get back into his rythm after the wc and his injury, but since the winter break he's been playing ok and by no means is he the reason for Dortmund's crisis. That goes way deeper than one player.
Well Dortmund have been better in the second half than in the first half of the season, I'm sure you can attest to that as you are a BVB fan (?). Anyways, you can't discount how poor he was in the first half and he isn't really showing his highest form now either.
He absolutely has not been genuinely awful, whatever way you want to paint it.
Not as good as he can be? Yeah. Not awful though.
Not as good as he can be? Yeah. Not awful though.
I haven't seen much of him at all this season, but a few things I take from this thread:
To many people complain his lack of pace makes him an average defender (Fifa talk), even though the likes of Terry, Mertesacker and Demichelis are doing fine.
To many people look at how bad Dortmund have been this season, and suddenly he can't be the player we thought he was, even though they haven't seen him play this season, or very limited watching time.
To be honest, he may have had an awful season, I am not sure, but to be fair to him, Dortmund as a whole have not been firing and he has been recovering from an injury.
He has just won a world cup and if this was July 2014, I think most of the cafe would have been loving it if we signed him.
People mention buying Varane instead, but is he for sale? Would Real want to sell one of their up and coming defenders when Pepe is in the later stages of his career.
I think Hummels is by far one of the better defenders who is potentially available, and I wouldn't like to see him in a City or Chelsea shirt next season
To many people complain his lack of pace makes him an average defender (Fifa talk), even though the likes of Terry, Mertesacker and Demichelis are doing fine.
To many people look at how bad Dortmund have been this season, and suddenly he can't be the player we thought he was, even though they haven't seen him play this season, or very limited watching time.
To be honest, he may have had an awful season, I am not sure, but to be fair to him, Dortmund as a whole have not been firing and he has been recovering from an injury.
He has just won a world cup and if this was July 2014, I think most of the cafe would have been loving it if we signed him.
People mention buying Varane instead, but is he for sale? Would Real want to sell one of their up and coming defenders when Pepe is in the later stages of his career.
I think Hummels is by far one of the better defenders who is potentially available, and I wouldn't like to see him in a City or Chelsea shirt next season
Mertesacker isn't even in the same class as Hummels. And although people here make it sounds as if Hummels has the pace of a grandmother, he is actually not that slow.
Why settle for players not as good when Hummels is pretty much ideal for Van Gaal's style of play and he's our number 1 target, and we can basically spend whatever we like without worrying about FFP? Settling for players instead of just paying the extra bit for players you know are right for you is what led us to miss out on Hazard and Lucas Moura.
According to Sport Bild
- Dragovic is Dortmund's No.1 target as replacement for Hummels if he goes in the summer
- Dortmund will not spend big money on transfers in the summer (That could be a big reason for Hummels to go)
- Dragovic is Dortmund's No.1 target as replacement for Hummels if he goes in the summer
- Dortmund will not spend big money on transfers in the summer (That could be a big reason for Hummels to go)
Most Germans speak English.
I rate him in Germany setup, I rate him in Dortmund setup, but I can't imagine how he would perform in our setup, I have no certainties about him in our setup. On top of that I'm worried about his injury record.
And as a stingy human being, I don't like to spend when I'm not sure, when I'm convinced. I know that a conviction, objectively means nothing but it's a very personal assessment, I feel that Hummels will cost 40m£, and I can't convince myself that it's the right move.
The to examples you used are very good becase I knew how good Hazard was, and thought that he was worthy of the extra bits, Lucas Moura I didn't know a lot about him, I knew that he was talented but nothing more, so I was a lot more wary.
Bottom line, if money wasn't a parameter I'm not sure that I would chose Hummels, with money involved I'm even less sure.
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Why do people keep using Mertersacker as an example as a slow player who is doing well here? He isn't fecking doing well, he's a liability and will likely be replaced in the Arsenal team this summer.
Anyway, I want Dragovic. Hummels at the moment seems no more than the best 'name' we can sign. I want Dragovic. I know people keep saying we should get 'top class' - but that again just sounds to me like we should get a 'big name'. Or is it that observations on watching Dragovic is that he isn't that good? Admittedly, the only full games I have seen are both legs against Everton, but he thoroughly justified the hype in those games. I will watch him again in the Europa League in the next round, which I think is tomorrow.
Pace is so so important in the Premiership, players like Terry and Vidic wouldn't have got anywhere near the level of success they have if they were slow.
Pace :/
Pace :/
Terry and Vidic weren't slow though.. They just weren't lightening quick. Neither is Phil Jones.. But he's still fast enough.
P.S when have Mertsacker and Demichelis been top class defenders... I don't think any of us would want them anywhere near here.
Assuming he'll be partnered by either Smalling or Rojo, I wouldn't be too worried about pace.
If it's Smalling for example, Smalling will be to his right, and Shaw to his left, who are arguably our fastest players.
If it's Smalling for example, Smalling will be to his right, and Shaw to his left, who are arguably our fastest players.
Meh, this isn't a game of FIFA... a lack of pace for a defender can be easily compensated for through intelligence/awareness/organisation.
I'm not sure if this has already been posted, apologies if it has:
Found it on the FIFA website, http://www.fifa.com/world-match-cen...-bundesliga-2000000019/news/newsid/258/091/0/
Found it on the FIFA website, http://www.fifa.com/world-match-cen...-bundesliga-2000000019/news/newsid/258/091/0/
I remember there was talk saying that quote isn't real.
Just was reading more into the stuff, and Hummels tweeted saying that he never mae any promise to move to United which isn't what the quotes imply to me anyway.. All he's saying is that IF he were ever to leave Dortmund, we'd at the top of his shortlist.
I think papers twisted his quotes to "Hummels set for United move" or something along those lines, which is not what he's saying to be fair.
It has and Hummels himself stated on his twitter account that there is no such promise and that's it's all bollocks.
That being said I think it's still either us or Dortmund considering that we are the only big team he really has been connected with in recent weeks/months. There is too much smoke around for there not to be any fire.
Demichelis was the best CB for the team that won the premiership last season.
Let's sign Walcott for our defense. I am sure he has enough pace in him.
Good for him. He's still a pile of shit. Playing for a team that's now 4th.
Maybe if Kompany turned up this year they'd be higher.
I just countered your point that Demichelis has never been top class. Last season he was the best and most consistent centre back in the team that won the title and had the second best defensive record. He didn't get much recognition because he made a few mistake when he first joined, similar to De Gea actually. The initial reputation kind of stuck. Granted he hasn't reached the heights De Gea reached but it's still relative.Good for him. He's still a pile of shit. Playing for a team that's now 4th.
Maybe if Kompany turned up this year they'd be higher.
'Top class' is a phrase that is totally objective and relative in my opinion. Was he one of the best in the world? Probably not. Was he one of the better defenders in the league? Quietly, yes.
That is also a point I've raised about Hummels before in this thread. If we do sign him, how many defenders in the league would be better than him? Very few, if any, in my opinion. If he plays to his full potential, that is.
If he plays at all. The number of small injuries he has each season is increasing every year, it's beyond ridiculous. He had 4 different injuries in the first half of the season, missed a week because he caught the flu in February and now is again out with a small injury, missed the cup quarterfinal and it looks like he won't be available for the important and difficult game in Gladbach on the weekend either.
The last 3 seasons:
Code:
Season injury from until Days Games missed
14/15 - Apr 6, 2015 - 2 days 1
14/15 Virus Infection Feb 12, 2015 Feb 19, 2015 7 days 1
14/15 back trouble Dec 8, 2014 Dec 10, 2014 2 days 1
14/15 Stretched Ligament Nov 3, 2014 Dec 1, 2014 28 days 5
14/15 - Aug 25, 2014 Sep 22, 2014 28 days 4
14/15 Knee Problems Jul 14, 2014 Aug 24, 2014 41 days 3
13/14 - Feb 4, 2014 Feb 26, 2014 22 days 8
13/14 Ligament Injury Nov 20, 2013 Jan 26, 2014 67 days 15
13/14 back trouble Nov 5, 2013 Nov 7, 2013 2 days 1
13/14 - Sep 18, 2013 Sep 23, 2013 5 days 3
12/13 Ligament Problems May 19, 2013 May 23, 2013 4 days -
12/13 Raptured Ankle Ligament Mar 10, 2013 Apr 8, 2013 29 days 4
12/13 Flu Feb 27, 2013 Mar 6, 2013 7 days 3
12/13 - Nov 26, 2012 Nov 30, 2012 4 days 1
12/13 - Oct 8, 2012 Oct 15, 2012 7 days -
12/13 - Aug 15, 2012 Aug 21, 2012 6 days 1Add to it, that he sometimes went off injured before he missed the following games or needed a few games to find his form once he comes back and it's even more ridiculous. It's impossible for him to play to his full potential unless he stops being injured all the time.
I understand his injury record is a serious concern, the only concern I'd have about him to be honest.
Maybe it's naive from me but surely Van Gaal is aware of this? Maybe he thinks there is a way around this or something, I don't know.
Very fluent.
Feck I had no idea he was so injury prone these days
Missed a week with the flu? I find it odd that clubs don't mandate the first team staff get flu shots every year. Granted, some players may not be able to but it's a ridiculously easy way to avoid losing a week or two to illness.
Given Kompany's form and Terry's age, it strikes me as a very real possibility if we don't act decisively.
The problem is that we need a centre back who is a) already quality - we don't need 'potential' and b) a leader with experience, and there's a real shortage around at the moment. I really can't think of a better alternative to Hummels.
Flu shots only guard against certain strains of influenza. A proper case of a bad strain could easily see one being out of match fitness for at least a full week.
Unless you're Michael Jordan...
I still think he can return to his best. Atm the entire team is underperforming.
The main reason for him not being at his best for the last two years were his numerous injuries. If he can overcome them he might get back to his best if not, he will probably end up being another Hargreaves.
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His amount of appearance has gone down each season for the past 4 seasons.
@Balu
Do Dortmund players get more injuries than other clubs?
@Balu
Do Dortmund players get more injuries than other clubs?
I'm pretty sure they have less injuries than we have, Schalke tops the injury table in the Bundesliga for 2 years now. All three clubs have way too many though, it's really crazy.
or Dirk Nowitzki.