What did he actually say?
Mats Hummels
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Wait... This seriously happened?!
Did this actually happen?
Doubt that quote is true haven't seen any reliable news agency with it.
it is true. I heard it myself. It was on Sky Germany.
Edit: Although he said he could stay too. So nothing new here
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That's certainly unbecoming of a club captain, especially with his team in dire straits. That, and his definite lack of pace (which will possibly get worse with time), I'm not convinced he should be our primary target
He's far too self-interest. Deflecting blame to save his image. I'm not very convinced on him.
If we can get him for €30m it would be a good deal. But, the talk of him going for £45-50m (as it was a season or so ago) is well off the mark.
Did all of you doubters not watch the World Cup and how much that back line was dependent on Hummels? If he was injured they wouldnt have won the World Cup. The cafe is such a frustrating place at times. Either we over hype some mediocre player like Ings and say we should buy him or grossly underhype a player like Hummels and say we are not yet convinced.
The interview I mentioned was on German Sky. I have seen it.
The Sky "experts" were all sure after hearing these statements that he wants to leave - but Dortmund is pushing the price.
The Sky "experts" were all sure after hearing these statements that he wants to leave - but Dortmund is pushing the price.
He is exactly the type of leader our defense has been missing this season.
15-20 million, he is not worth more
10M upfront and 5 if he wins Ballon D'or.
The good thing is he will decide his future in the next weeks and let everyone know.
5m upfront, 5 more if he wins the Ballon d'Or, and another 5 if he turns water into wine.
£25m would be a fair price for Hummels.
Seems to have dropped his level, I'd be wary of him doing a Kompany.
Reading the Dortmund forum on transfermarkt, they mostly seem convinced that he'll go. They aren't exactly hung up about it either, considering how he plays and how inconsistent he's been this season. Most of them think that he'll go to us and want 45m Euro for him. He's quality, but I don't think he's worth it anymore. I'd rather sign Laporte.
He made errors at times, and while he looks very neat and tidy he was never what I would call dominant, and I think that's what we need.
International football isn't the save as club football, so I'm not sure what kind of a yard stick it is, especially when playing in such a good side.
He's clearly a very good player and there isn't a lot of good defenders about at the moment. I've watched a fair bit if him
And have my doubts but if he comes in the fair play. We need a leader at the back.
He is a leader and he is very dominant in the air to be fair. He's a good passer, his positioning is usually very good and he isn't exactly old. Obviously he isn't the quickest though. We could do a lot worse than him and he might be the best centre-back available.
Yeah. There's no doubt that he's been below par for Dortmund this season, but it's hard to stick out in defence when the rest of the team is playing so poorly. The important thing is that we know he has the talent and ability to be a world class center back as he was a few years back. Van Gaal is a huge fan of his, and Hummels would be perfect for our style. No idea why people wouldn't want him, 1 bad season doesn't mean he just turned to shit forever.
He is slow, but really, that's not that big of a deal. Pace in center backs is mostly important for recovery speed to cover yourself when you are in the wrong position or feck something up. Rio in his latter days wasn't quick at all and neither was Vidic. We didn't do too poorly with them.
The thing I found weird today was Owen Hargreaves talking about him, saying he wasn't suited to us because we needed a beastly type CB for Hummels to play with and if he came here he'd be with another ball player, and I couldn't help but wonder if Hargreaves has ever seen Smalling and Jones, they are pretty much the definition of the type of physical CB he claimed Hummels needs, is he somehow thinking we'd be pairing him with Evans? 
Hummels absolutely merking Varane at the world cup was my highlight of the tournament.
How was he against Bayern today?
He seemed to get sucked in tracking a forward quite high up the pitch quite a few times today, not just for the goal. Is this something Klopp has been having him do (close down aggressively abandoning the defensive line) or was it just a bad day?
He is the only world class centre half who is attainable. Silva, Kompany, Ramos, Varane, Benatia and even Koesinly probably won't move clubs for numerous reasons. Hummels is only 26 years old, I'm sure he can find his hunger and desire again in Manchester and will get GOAT status from pretty much every United fan straight away which will obviously come with it's own pressure but he's good enough to handle it. Also we are always talking about signing the right players for how we want to play, well this guy is perfect for this "system".
Anyway I think we need more than 1 centre half anyway, some of the goals we've leaked this season have been embarrassing and there is no way we are winning the title until we have a quality back line again.
Anyway I think we need more than 1 centre half anyway, some of the goals we've leaked this season have been embarrassing and there is no way we are winning the title until we have a quality back line again.
He is a leader. And he is very smart. But he needs help too.
He is one of the few CB's who can really initiate/influence/support the offence of any team in the world. He has a really great vision of the game, especially for a defender. That makes him almost unique. And although he is a really smart and gifted defender plus being one of the best heading players in the world, his package comes with one major flaw: He is not the fasted guy in the world. You will have to pair him with a really fast partner. In Germany 2014 that was Boateng. And that worked pretty well.
PS: To give you (sole) PL watchers an idea: Take Mertesacker, deduct 15% for the aged defensive smatness Mertesacker has got, but add 100% on technical skills, and add another 200% on vision and ball distribustion to that. And Mats might be 20% faster than Per, but that's stil lousy, internationally.
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Played as if his mind was in Manchester.
I struggle to understand how so many can be so negative on signing him.
For those who say that he isn't as good as he was anymore, I wonder how many of you have actually seen him regularly this season. I haven't, but looking at all sorts of stats, I believe that the only reason why he hasn't been "great" is because of the underwhelming performance of Dortmund and the players in general this season. Sites like Whoscored and Squawka rate him as one of the best defenders in Europe this season, and even though its not necessarily true, it's definitely an indicator of how he hasn't been "shit" or hasn't declined a lot.
From what I have seen and read about him, I rate him as one of the best defenders in the world, and I believe that his flaws (mainly lack of pace) will be well covered by the pace of Rojo and especially Smalling. Therefore, I believe that we will bring the absolute best out of him because he seems to be perfectly suited to our other defenders and especially our playstyle. There's no doubt he is one of the best centre backs in the world when it comes to technical abilities, especially passing.
I'd easily pay £40 million for him. Easily.
For those who say that he isn't as good as he was anymore, I wonder how many of you have actually seen him regularly this season. I haven't, but looking at all sorts of stats, I believe that the only reason why he hasn't been "great" is because of the underwhelming performance of Dortmund and the players in general this season. Sites like Whoscored and Squawka rate him as one of the best defenders in Europe this season, and even though its not necessarily true, it's definitely an indicator of how he hasn't been "shit" or hasn't declined a lot.
From what I have seen and read about him, I rate him as one of the best defenders in the world, and I believe that his flaws (mainly lack of pace) will be well covered by the pace of Rojo and especially Smalling. Therefore, I believe that we will bring the absolute best out of him because he seems to be perfectly suited to our other defenders and especially our playstyle. There's no doubt he is one of the best centre backs in the world when it comes to technical abilities, especially passing.
I'd easily pay £40 million for him. Easily.
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he wont even cost that much. 30-35m should be enough. I am a big fan too, think he could rediscover his form and i think the rest of our CBs complement him well.
I see him every weekend. His lack of pace is his major flaw, no doubt. But he has so many upsides. And to be honest: If Mertesacker (I'm German, hence the comparison) can survive in the PL nobody should doubt him -- Hummels today is three times the player Merte was even in his very best days, which were many years ago.
I think Watzke's comments before the match and Klopp's interview after the match were a bit more interesting than the post-match interview of Hummels.
Watzke
"Mats knows his contract situation. If Manchester United want him then they must contact us but that isn't the case so far"
Klopp
"I don't know where Mats will play next season. It's normal that he thinks about his future"
Hummels
"What i say now is in my head but that doesn't mean that i will go."
"I'm thinking about my future but that it's nothing which isn't known to those in charge at Dortmund".
"There is no trend. But it will be resolved in the next couple of weeks."
"I made a gut decision in 2007 between Dortmund & Hoffenheim (When he left Bayern Munich) and decided for Dortmund. That's what i'll do now."
I've the feeling the Dortmund board are just waiting that we make a offer for him. Of course it's boring to must give a answer to always the same topic but i haven't heard so far a "We don't want to sell Hummels" statement of the Dortmund board about Hummels' situation.
We want our transfer deals are happening so early as possible for next season and it would be surely the best for Dortmund that this possible transfer will not be a saga. So i think if we really want him, Dortmund want to sell him for the right price and Hummels "gut decision" goes in the direction for a move then i would expect this transfer will happen in the first days of June.
Watzke
"Mats knows his contract situation. If Manchester United want him then they must contact us but that isn't the case so far"
Klopp
"I don't know where Mats will play next season. It's normal that he thinks about his future"
Hummels
"What i say now is in my head but that doesn't mean that i will go."
"I'm thinking about my future but that it's nothing which isn't known to those in charge at Dortmund".
"There is no trend. But it will be resolved in the next couple of weeks."
"I made a gut decision in 2007 between Dortmund & Hoffenheim (When he left Bayern Munich) and decided for Dortmund. That's what i'll do now."
I've the feeling the Dortmund board are just waiting that we make a offer for him. Of course it's boring to must give a answer to always the same topic but i haven't heard so far a "We don't want to sell Hummels" statement of the Dortmund board about Hummels' situation.
We want our transfer deals are happening so early as possible for next season and it would be surely the best for Dortmund that this possible transfer will not be a saga. So i think if we really want him, Dortmund want to sell him for the right price and Hummels "gut decision" goes in the direction for a move then i would expect this transfer will happen in the first days of June.
The thing I found weird today was Owen Hargreaves talking about him, saying he wasn't suited to us because we needed a beastly type CB for Hummels to play with and if he came here he'd be with another ball player, and I couldn't help but wonder if Hargreaves has ever seen Smalling and Jones, they are pretty much the definition of the type of physical CB he claimed Hummels needs, is he somehow thinking we'd be pairing him with Evans?
Hummels isn't exactly a soft fella either.
True, I think because he's not jacked up people forget he's a big guy and has shown to be strong in the physical challenge.
Has hummels?
Pace, pace, pace, pace, pace.
Is this a FIFA 2015 forum or what? Is pace everything to a defender? 2.3 tackles per game, 2.4 interceptions per game, 6.1 aerials won per game, 4.1 clearance per game, 5.1 accurate long balls per game and 1 yellow card whole season. All of these in a season which Dortmund isn't exactly dominant in.
World Cup winner (and actually played every game and was one of the main reason Germany won), CL finalist, Bundesliga winner multiple times while breaking Bayern's dominant streak and is an actual leader. Good with the ball, tidy with his passing and is thrived playing a possession based football with Dortmund.
But somehow reading here you would think that people are talking about Robert Huth.
Is this a FIFA 2015 forum or what? Is pace everything to a defender? 2.3 tackles per game, 2.4 interceptions per game, 6.1 aerials won per game, 4.1 clearance per game, 5.1 accurate long balls per game and 1 yellow card whole season. All of these in a season which Dortmund isn't exactly dominant in.
World Cup winner (and actually played every game and was one of the main reason Germany won), CL finalist, Bundesliga winner multiple times while breaking Bayern's dominant streak and is an actual leader. Good with the ball, tidy with his passing and is thrived playing a possession based football with Dortmund.
But somehow reading here you would think that people are talking about Robert Huth.
Whoscored also rated David Luiz as the best Brazilian player on the pitch in the 1-7 loss against Germany at the World Cup. I guess it's safe to say that their rating system is flawed when it comes to defenders, so no, it's not an indicator.
How has been defensively the last two seasons? I'd imagine with the dortmund defense being poor both seasons he hasn't covered himself in a lot of glory.
Hyppia and Terry aren't fast train, either.
He's fairly slow, indeed, mostly in acceleration IMHO, with space he seems to pick up decent enough speed(nothing special though, obviously). Doubt he's regressed that much as a player though, entirety of Dortmund had a shocker.
Anyway, we have Smalling to pair with him, who is absolutely rapid(some of his runs when playing fullback were ridiculous), and can easily cover for a slower partner.
If we're really going for him, I reckon we could have quite the defence next season, depending on what happens at right back.
Anyway, we have Smalling to pair with him, who is absolutely rapid(some of his runs when playing fullback were ridiculous), and can easily cover for a slower partner.
If we're really going for him, I reckon we could have quite the defence next season, depending on what happens at right back.