Yesterday it was reported in the papers that Hummels was going to turn down United and LvG because he wanted to play for Arsenal. Today it is being reported he wont join Arsenal as he wants to win things.
They give out a trophy for fourth place?
Mats Hummels
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They give out a trophy for fourth place?
He WONT join Arsenal because he wants to win things.
Today they are saying Reus WONT join Arsenal because they can't guarantee trophies.
I wonder how many of these statements are actually true, or how many are just journos having a pop at Wenger and Arsenal?
I hope we don't go for him. Everyone who watches Bundesliga and not just WC knows why. Also, his injury record is terrible, so he would not be improvement on what we already have (injury prone, makes a lot of mistakes, probably the slowest of BVB's defenders which is also a problem for the style we apply).
The only positive he would bring right now would be the ability to organize the defense, which we need, but nothing else.
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He has potential, don't get me wrong, but we don't need potential now, especially not if it costs 25-30mil pounds.
The only positive he would bring right now would be the ability to organize the defense, which we need, but nothing else.
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He has potential, don't get me wrong, but we don't need potential now, especially not if it costs 25-30mil pounds.
TBH I'd rather Sule than Hummels. Has really impressed me this season. Physical behemoth, very good at the fundamentals, above average with the ball at his feet and excellent from set pieces. A bit rough in terms of technique and concentration but he has all the attributes one could ask for and in 3-4 seasons he'll be worth a Hummels-esque 30 million+. Rather sign him on the cheap and develop that potential than be involved in a transfer first fight with the likes of Bayern, Madrid or Barcelona down the line.
Christ.
Do you watch him? Do you know how many mistakes he makes and how many they concede because of that? His injury record also is bad.
During his best times he made quite a number of mistakes, but the whole defending system was a system at BVB and not about individuals. Watch the goals and his reactions in the CL final against Bayern, and he was at his best form at that time. Watch the games against Real the same season, watch some Bundesliga this season (or the games he has played). He had a great WC till the final where he was really bad, but people tend to forget that. It is very easy to prove that he makes these mistakes and for 25-30mil I would like a defender who doesn't make the same mistakes that often.
He is not worth the money that is needed to buy him, not even close right now.
Yeah, I've seen him, probably more than you ever did. @Sphaero did go to great lengths in the past discussing this kind of bollocks you just wrote and actually I've grown tired of defending him on the caf, too, since his mistakes are being overstated repeatedly on here, so I won't waste my time any further.
Good, don't, as he is not an WC CB, what ever you say. This season again not good at all, or am I blind (and even before, just that many of his mistakes went unpunished so people ignored them, something we don't do with our defenders)? We are talking about spending 30mil pounds on a player, not 10-15, where in this market I would agree with as he has potential, and he is not worth it (30mil), not now and right now we need someone who will be healthy and playing without making to many mistakes (plus his speed, as he isn't the fastest which will be the problem with this style of play).
Where did I say that we actually are going for him or are willing to spend the amount you are talking about? I've never been overly optimistic that we are going to sign him, since he's very loyal to Dortmund and doesn't look like he will leave any time soon. People keep on harping about his mistakes, but don't see the fantastic defender he's in spite of that. You just see the negatives as well. It's not like Vidic and Ferdinand were always amazing and never made mistakes either. He's 25 and has his best years ahead of him. I'd actually ask you to name centre-halves you'd want United to go after.
Not saying Hummels is/isn't worth the fee, but you're aware @Kounan that Rio made numerous mistakes with West Ham and Leeds, and even in his first year at United. It happens. Rio didn't fully solidify himself until around age 26, which happens to be the same age Hummels is today.
I think in a venn diagram of experience and quality, he'd still come out as one of the best around. Centre halves are not gods, no matter how much we like to forget Vidic's run ins with Torres.
He'd be the ideal candidate in my opinion, but as others have said, would be tough to get.
He'd be the ideal candidate in my opinion, but as others have said, would be tough to get.
I agree, but the problem is people see him as our rescuer, while he isn't, not yet. I did mention his age, but I would not pay now 30mil pounds for him now as I don't think he would help that much (now with his injuries I would not buy him at all as he is injury prone and we can't risk with that, not now, better an average CB, but healthy, than a great talent but injured - we have enough of these).
He is one of few players I do follow in Germany and my problem with him is the same I have with Evans (who I rated a lot). I saw his mistakes and said he is young, he will improve, next year and than next year but the mistakes are there and there are not less of them (this season he is horrible, black outs almost every game, plus injuries, the same with Evans, who used to have great games, but with time did not made less mistakes even if I don't blame him for all mistakes people usually do).
If he would have a great season (after he comes back), than I would understand the move and be happy with that, but right now, I really don't think that he would be a good idea).
Journos just making shit up..
Rio really made a step up after we signed Vidic i thought. Cut out errors and looked calmer.
Hardly a crisis old bean. We're still only 4 points off 4th place, into the League Cup QFs and likely to continue beyond the Europa League group stage. Get back to me if and when we're in the relegation zone with 10 games to go ... and then you can use your word 'crisis'.
All's rosy in Spurzonia, didn't you know.
It's a wonder why there's much chatter about about Pochettino maybe losing his job, as everything is looking so good.
It's a wonder why there's much chatter about about Pochettino maybe losing his job, as everything is looking so good.
Rio's physical attributes were on a different level to begin with and he didn't have that many injury issues as well.
Don't think Rio was making these many errors at 26 either. That was fair bit earlier.
So anything other than being in relegation is a good spot for Spurs? Fair enough if thats your mentality.
Hummels in Manchester United...what could go wrong
It'd be like sending Jade Goody to appear in I'm a celebrity get me out of here - Chernobyl Edition.
Eh isn't she dead?
There also isn't an 'Im A Celeb' based in Chernobyl. What a factually inaccurate post.
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Try re-reading what I actually said.
One thing to consider is that Mats Hummels has not taken the usual path of a CB's development.. He already played a world-class and basically error-free season in 2011/12 and hasn't played a season as consistent ever since. Furthermore he appears to be less agile and his speed issues have only gotten worse over the last couple of years. That doesn't mean he didn't have world-class performances in 12/13 and 13/14, he had phenomenal spells of games even then, but his overall level of performance slightly declined over the past two and a half years, whereas other CBs like Jérome Boateng are actually showing the solidifying process you're talking about at the exact same age.
For what it's worth, we also have Hummels on the record after the EC 2012, when he talked about severe motivational issues after the tournament and coincidentally he's never been quite as good as in 11/12 ever since.
On the other hand one could argue that a career reboot in a less energy draining tactical system could do Mats Hummels a lot of good. Perhaps it's just the wear and tear of playing 50 games per season in Jürgen Klopp's phyiscally demanding pressing system that leads to more lapses of concentration and individual errors. Hummels also had his share of injuries, which he himself admitted were at least in part caused by Dortmund's playing stile.
Mats Hummels is a great player and will almost certainly improve United a great deal, but we don't know if he will be able to return to his standard of the 2011/12 season when he built the reputation as one of the world's best CBs in the game of football.
So finishing 16th would not be a crisis?
I know it's our favorite journo, Jamie Jackson, but he reckons LVG is pondering a bid for Hummels in January. Personally, I don't see it happening. Dortmund are in shambles at the moment and there's no way they are giving up their captain and star defender in the middle of the season.
Link: http://www.theguardian.com/football...-hummels-january-borussia-dortmund?CMP=twt_gu
Link: http://www.theguardian.com/football...-hummels-january-borussia-dortmund?CMP=twt_gu
Might depend on how much money we throw at them, if they already know he's going to move in the Summer. Everyone has their price.
I'd rather go for a less talented player with a much cleaner injury record personally.
No.
The defense got better when we replaced disasters waiting to happen such as Wes and especially Silvestre with Vidic. Having said that Rio had a crucial role at United and kept the defense tight single handidly for many years.
Aymeric Laporte would be your answer then, which wouldn't be bad at all.
Yes.
All of what you said is true, but Rio still improved and cut out mistakes after Vidic arrived.
Keano was a better player with United then with Ireland. Same as Giggs, he was a better player with United then with Wales. Having world class players around is beneficial for the player as he can focus on his job rather then having to cover other people's arses. Vidic was not only his own man and a world class talent but his characteristics (the typical British type of defender whose strong, solid and great in air) complimented Rio perfectly.
Having said that Rio was a hell of a defender, probably the best defender under SAF's reign. Anyone doubting Rio's contribution at United should check what the defense looked like prior of him signing with us and what were the immediate and devastating effects of his suspension on our league title run. I'd dare to say that Rio was the defense equivalent for us of Eric Cantona and he was a more important player for us then Roy Keane ever was.
I'd rather we not sign him at all. Aside from being a crock he's someone who makes too many mistakes.
He is in terrible form lately, had Boateng covering up his ass at the WC, not really sure about him and especially not for that fee.
We should replace Ed Woodward with DiBiase.
Hes been poor this season, but he was good at the WC
This! He has a release clause too!
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