Yeah he was, but I'm not sure if it was due to him or Boateng, Boateng was the real leader, covering up for Hummels his mistakes.
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Really? He had a fantastic WC overall. He wasn't at his best in the final (where he played with pain killers I think) but to say that Boateng had to do most of the work is just not true. The "terrible form" this season is also a little bit exaggerated, after he came back from injury he wasn't at his best for sure but in the last few games he's been solid. And he was great against Bayern two weeks a go.
There wasn't one real leader in my opinion. Boateng started the first few games at rightback and only when Lahm moved back to rightback once Schweinsteiger was fit to start, Mertesacker got dropped and Boateng and Hummels became the centerback pair. Hummels also caught the flu during the travel for the last group stage game, missed the following game against Algeria and only played 45 minutes against Brazil, he still struggled with his fitness in the final against Argentina, which clearly showed and only there, Boateng had to bail him out a few times.
I thought it was Boateng, he was the only one who was consistent at the back for the whole tournament and reached an incredible level, neutralized Ronaldo, in the 2nd match vs Ghana, Germany's defence was very sloppy and Hummels/Mertesacker didnt look really stable either.
Also pre World - Cup, I remember Germany conceiding plenty of goals and wasnt he left out of the team at occasions?
Well, I consider Boateng the best centerback in the world over the past 2 years, so I won't argue against him being excellent. I don't think he was the one leader in defense though and Hummels had quite a few fantastic performances at the World Cup, the one against France stands out, where Hummels was easily the best German player on the pitch. Mertesacker was the weak link in defense and we were significantly better without him. (Boateng and Mertesacker didn't really look great together against Algeria either for example).
I'm not convinced Hummels is as good a defender as people make out. Perhaps I'm being knee jerk, but I think the beauty in Hummels is about his entire game, but the need for a central defensive Del Piero is not aa important to me as is to others. I think purely on defensive ability, there is better out there.
Anyone watch United in Press earlier?
I missed it myself but apparently Daniel Taylor of the Guardian was on it and said, "moyes didn't go in for Hummels because he thought he was too slow"
I missed it myself but apparently Daniel Taylor of the Guardian was on it and said, "moyes didn't go in for Hummels because he thought he was too slow"
I'd of thought Hummels would of been even less interested in coming when Moyes took over. Dortmund were a stronger side than they are at the moment, and to most players Moyes wasn't exactly well known.
At the time, Dortmund were still a big thing considering they just came off a CL final when Moyes came in. That might change in the current situation. However, what did Moyes expect of a CB who builds his play on excellent positioning rather than running? Once again, we have another symptom of Moyes being clueless about talent... which is funny considering he had Sylvain Distin in his Everton roster.
I agree with Moyes on his assessment on both of those players.
The man is not as cluelesss about football as people like to make out.
I thought he was invisible last night, where was he for Sanogo's goal? lol
Didn't play at all last night. Matthias Ginter was the LCB.
Hard to disagree with that. Rojo for 15m is about the same level and neither are very good.
Mangala is not worth what City paid for. Agree with Moyes here.
I don't see how you can say that at this point in time. He is very young but very promising.
Way too early to reach a judgement on the signings of either Mangala or Rojo.
Way too early to reach a judgement on the signings of either Mangala or Rojo.
Mangala will be considered a brilliant signing for City, this time next year. He needs at least a few more months to settle in and get used to the football here but he's got everything a CB needs. He's similar to Kompany in more than one way, just a bit raw at this time.
I'd be amazed if Mangala doesn't turn out to be a much, much better signing than Rojo.
Forgot we signed him.
Mangala seems to be inherently quite stupid, which never bodes too well. Brawn and not enough brain, perhaps.
Moyes also thought a lot of others players weren’t good enough who clearly were and I doubt he will ever get a chance to operate at that level in the transfer market again so who knows how clueless he was. Given his injury niggles and the high line we are playing I think Hummels isn’t really a viable option now considering the price we would have to pay.
Varane would be the ideal signing (no way Madrid will see though), given our lack of height and the lack of pace in midfield I think we need a tall, athletic CB but they are few and far between, even fairly average CB’s go for big fees now.
But his positioning isn't excellent, that's how he makes most of his mistakes (but OK, he is still young for a defender).
Did you forget all our defenders being shown videos of him to learn "defending" as well?
Jagielka was actually measured as the fastest player in the Premier League recently
I never understood why that was such a big deal.
He worked at Everton for a very long time. If he wanted to get a message across about how he wanted the defenders to play, showing a video of people doing what he wants would be one of the easier methods of getting the point across.
Some people just love a moan
I never rated Mangala even at Porto, and wondered how he had developed such a reputation. I'd take Laporte for that kind of fee ahead of him any day.
I think Antonio Rudiger is one worth keeping an eye on. He has the attributes I want us to go for in a centre-half. I need to watch him for longer to fully make my own assessment though, but he looks very good. That said, I think Smalling has these attributes too, so if he stays fit then perhaps we could look for a more 'footballing' player to partner him. He offers the speed, and strength and agility bit.
I think Antonio Rudiger is one worth keeping an eye on. He has the attributes I want us to go for in a centre-half. I need to watch him for longer to fully make my own assessment though, but he looks very good. That said, I think Smalling has these attributes too, so if he stays fit then perhaps we could look for a more 'footballing' player to partner him. He offers the speed, and strength and agility bit.
If you aren't a fan of Mangala then i really don't understand how you can rate Rüdiger.
His level is for example Hull or Stoke and nothing more......he has made a lot of mistakes this season and his positioning is poor too.
At least we dodged a bullet with Mangala. Not even worth half of what City paid for him.
Mangala reminds me of Sakho.
Don't see enough of Hummels these days to comment but so far (and it's still very early days of course), Mangala hasn't looked good. I never quite got his Porto hype either.
Is Nastasic still on City's books? I remember lots of rumours that he'd be sold, which seemed mad after just one dodgy season at a young age. He has bags of potential.
Is Nastasic still on City's books? I remember lots of rumours that he'd be sold, which seemed mad after just one dodgy season at a young age. He has bags of potential.
I did say that he is one I'd like to watch more. He has some interesting qualities, and is younger and less experienced than Mangala. I didn't say he's a sure thing.
I must have missed the part where Moyes signed Jagielka for United.
So Dortmund having a horrendous season, characterised by abject defending.
Does this mean Hummels is more likely to want to leave in the summer? Will it knock a few million quid off his price? Do we still want him?!?
Does this mean Hummels is more likely to want to leave in the summer? Will it knock a few million quid off his price? Do we still want him?!?
He's an error prone, injury stricken Center back. You decide!
Sorry but he was spot on. Look at Mangala. He is awful and Hummels is slow. What has he said wrong.Moyes...
Yet less than 6 months ago he was being hailed as one of the best central defenders in Europe and this place would have been hysterical with delight if we'd signed him at the end of last season.
Still only 25 years old too. Has his stock really fallen this low, this quickly?
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