Recently signed a new contract without a release clause as well, for those who think United can just throw bags of money at him/Dortmund. Football needs more players like him.
Mats Hummels
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Recently signed a new contract without a release clause as well, for those who think United can just throw bags of money at him/Dortmund. Football needs more players like him.
So you don't think there would be any circumstances where DP would've left Juve...
Your opinion, not mine.
You don't think the likes of Totti, Zanetti and Giggs has opportunities to earn millions elsewhere either?
Giggs was also offered a blank cheque and Cantona was Moratti's no 1 target for quite some time. Moratti was a keen supporter of the United way. Ince should have been the first of many.
I'd rather a different centre-half anyway to be honest. Still, admirable ethics from Hummels.
Hummels was not a Dortmund fan from a boy though, and he only joined once Bayern didn't play him. His scenario is different to Scholes / Del Piero / Totti etc...
The fact that Bayern have pretty much got all the German trophies wrapped up for the next few years, I think could be the tipping point.
The fact that Bayern have pretty much got all the German trophies wrapped up for the next few years, I think could be the tipping point.
Roar Strand stayed in Rosenborg his whole career, and he most certainly had higher offers.
Nobody claims that every footballer takes the highest offer. There are plenty of other reasons to stay at a club other than "love for the club/being a fan of the club".
In their prime, they played for the biggest and most successful club in England. Thats a fact, not an opinion.
Opinion: Its very easy to be loyal to the top dog.
Look at how they treated his father. There's no way he's going to Bayern.
I agree, there are different degrees of loyalty. Coming through at a top club, makes it much easier to stay at that club especially if you're a local lad.. so whilst of course it is very admirable what Xavi, Maldini, Scholes, Giggs have done.. there were huge incentives there for them to stay as they were always in the running for Champions Leagues and League titles galore. Zanetti had less chance to win trophies and wasn't even a local lad so his loyalty to Inter was pretty amazing considering 10 years went without even winning anything of note and as for Totti.. Roma were title contenders but never really CL contenders.
Le Tissier is one of the greatest examples of club loyalty - no chance of winning stuff but stayed. Others would argue that it is a lack of ambition on his part, but you can't please everyone.
Exactly, if he want's to leave it will be abroad. We are a great option for him IMO.
Don't think Nubotic should be our next target, always looks like he needs a dominant leader beside him, like Hummels or Vidic for Serbia.
I STILL say that Neither would have moved regardless - that's MY opinion.
You cannot speak for every player as you have no idea what they think.
Maybe you should have said the majority ?
Shouldn't this be closed.
No, we don't really close transfer threads anymore. New policy.
Well, fair play to him if he stays.
If he doesn't, I hope he's wearing a United shirt!
I blame Feeky.
You don't think the likes of Totti, Zanetti and Giggs has opportunities to earn millions elsewhere either?
I'd never heard that before. That's great.
Has he even been playing well? Dortmund seem to leak goals for fun.
He has been out injured.
Since when? They were poor defensively last season too weren't they?
He was out for a good amount of time last year as well, just like all the other defenders at Dortmund basically (Pisczek, Schmelzer, Subotic).
They had to call a player out of retirement (Friedrich) to play as CB for them. Of course they didn't have the best defensive record last year.
This year he only just returned last weekend against Schalke after his WC injury.
Almost brings a tear to my eye, such integrity and loyalty are extremely rare.
Giggs is a good 2nd in command under LVG, but I always thought it should be Scholes.
Admirable loyalty from him. But of course come next summer, if the club is willing to sell and has a good offer on the table they might have a talk with him about whether he wants to stay or explore the possibility of moving on.
He seems to be injured just as much as Smalling, Jones and Evans yet he's the supposed answer to our apparent issues? Hummels is very good but if he can't stay fit then he isn't even worthy of discussion.
If he's injured all the time then he seems like the last centre back we need right now anyway, regardless of how good he is.
Edit: Kag beat me to it.
Edit: Kag beat me to it.
It's not like he was out for the whole season though. He still played 23 out of 34 Bundesliga games last season as well as 6 Champions League games. And the WC of course.
Has there actually been a Dortmund player sold in the last few seasons who's actually improved since moving? I guess some players just really take to certain systems.
Shame that didn't apply to the Vidal thread. It'll be January before long and we'll need it again...
That ship has sailed now. It'll be all about the Stroot.
So it's a Hummels Dortmund watch ,since he's not going anywhere.
The chance of that happening are close to zero. There is no realistic scenario for me how the club could become the driving force for a transfer in the next years.
Some people underestimate what kind of standing Hummels has for Dortmund. Not only among us supporters, who basically view him as the player version of Klopp in many ways and respect him more than any other player. His standing inside the club and the team is immense aswell. He was the undisputed leader of the defense at 20, part of the players council since 21, the actual leader of the team on the pitch and primary spokeperson off it for at least three years and is now also officially captain.
He is our most important player, period.
At least part of the reason why Hummels is so loyal is because he knows that and clearly enjoys this standing. He is Mr. Borussia for a lot of people and he always stated that his role in titles is way more important to him than the sheer number of them. He does not want to be one of many top players, but a clear standout player and face of the team. His desire for responsibility and recognition makes that pretty clear.
Money will never be the main motivation for him. He has proven that by turning down more lucrative offers several times. He is also not influenced by an agent and knows fully well that he is not forced to earn as much money as possible because his intelligence will allow him to make his way beyond his active career. Not to mention that Hummels will probably always be part of the top group in terms of salary in Dortmund. His next contract, the biggest of his career would include a hefty pay rise if he decides to stay given that we clearly plan to vastly increase the wage bill in the next years. At that point Hummels will earn money in a region, where two or three more millions won´t make that much of a difference anymore.
That's all really nice.
But let's see if us being back in the Champions League and 200k a week changes his mind.
No need for the lock though, this isn't RAWK.
Meh, no matter how good he is, everytime I hear about him, he is injured. Jones and Smalling are reasonably good when they are playing, but that happens so rare that it becomes irrelevant. What I'm trying to say is, Hummels won't answer any of our problems - our biggest defensive flaw is that our starting CB's are constantly injured, we don't need another one.
Sorry I thought you were just talking about this season. Not all down to him though. Germany hardly leak goals and he was part of that defence.
I actually think the chances of a possible Hummels signature are not that bad. He emphasized his loyalty to Borussia Dortmund by signing a long-term contract without exit clause, but at the same time he has grown more and more taciturn since the club won the the last title in 2012. Especially after defeats, like against Hamburger SV, he leaves the stadium without talking to the press even though he's the team's captain. He obviously firmly believes in Klopp's project and would love to finish his career at the Westfalenstadion, but at the same time he wants to compete at the highest level and win the ultimate prize. So depending on the outcome of this year's CL campaign, I wouldn't rule out that Mats Hummels will at least consider a transfer away from Dortmund.
Admittedly that's only how I assess the character and behaviouir of the player from afar, you never know for sure.
Admittedly that's only how I assess the character and behaviouir of the player from afar, you never know for sure.
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I'm not sure if that says all that much. Maybe he's just a captain that knows what his job is: To lead his team on the pitch and motivate them on and off it. The fact that he's apparently really mad after a loss rather speaks for his attitude than against it in my eyes and I personally could do with such a captain myself (surely I'm not the only one who wouldn't lose sleep over Lahm not repeating empty phrases every time he sees a mic).
Same as you I can only speculate, but I think (and actually hope) that Hummels isn't all talk. He's well on his way to become a Dortmund legend for eternity and I'd rather see him retire there than "sell himself out" like virtually all professionals do.
That all said: I'd still love to see him return to Bayern.
That all said: I'd still love to see him return to Bayern.
That well is thoroughly poisoned. I can't see him ever return to Bayern München, even more so if Benatia lives up to the expectations.
Of course it's never happening but a man can dream, can't he?
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