Mats Hummels

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Lars is quite similar to Sven only he hasnt had the same injuries I believe. Saw him several times in european matches and he looked pretty good like several of his teammates. From what I saw he's perhaps a slightly better passer than Sven. Not sure theres much to choose between them other than that.

Could use a couple of benders in midfield.
 
Sport Bild claiming that Barcelona are preparing a formal bid for the player. Would surprise me since he won't come for anything less than €40 million
 
Doesn't surprise me or anyone else. Perfect fit. Will end up getting him cheap like they mostly do too.
 
Why would Dortmund sell Cheap this summer ? Hasn't had a great season either from what i've seen and read.
 
Signed a new contract until 2017 last summer without a buy out clause. Dortmund actually want to win football games and not build a money bin, so selling young players with long term contracts won't happen. They are very healthy financially and have money to spend, even more if Lewandowski goes.
 
I don't know, nor really care, but they seemingly get a lot of players cheaper than they should and only overpay now and then, whereas they should always be overpaying like United have too.

He's been really good, a drop in form? Maybe, but I think Bayern being on another level in the league this year is kind of swaying things about Borussia, but doesn't matter. Though I'm not gonna sit here and say I've seen tons, but he's done good in most of the games I have.
 
How do Barca actually pull this shit off the whole time? It amazes me...... Is someone giving chairmen reach arounds on the sly or something?

Top player whom should command a top fee even if he hasnt had the greatest of seasons. He would certainly help shore up their back four, him and pique would leave them nicely set for the next few years.
 
Barca overpaid several times over the last years. Villa was expensive for his age, Ibrahimovic cost them heavily, Chygrynskiy for 25 million Euro was a bad joke. Dani Alves cost them 35 million. Besides the Fabregas drama - who after all still cost 34million Euro - I don't think they tricked any club in selling someone clearly under his value. Song for 19 million, Sanchez for 26, Mascherano for 20, Hleb for 17million weren't cheap either if you consider their role in the team and their performances for Barca. How often did United pay more than 30 million in the last 5 years?

For example, Van Persie for 30million Euro was cheaper than Villa for 40 with comparable circumstances (age, comparable former team in the same league, quality of the player).
 
Rosell et al are corporate snakes, since they've been in charge they've made good deals across the board - never overpaying


Balu said:
For example, Van Persie for 30million Euro was cheaper than Villa for 40 with comparable circumstances (age, comparable former team in the same league, quality of the player).
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Poor example. RVP was a year away from walking away for free, 30 million was a huge amount for a player in the last year - but United probably had to overpay. And RVP was a year older than Villa when he was bought.

Meanwhile, a year younger and bound to Los Che through 2014, the price was always going to be high for the 5 time pichichi
 
How was it a poor example when it clearly showed that Barca didn't get him cheap????
 
FCBarca said:
Rosell et al are corporate snakes, since they've been in charge they've made good deals across the board - never overpaying
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35m Euros for Cesc, 35m Euros for Sanchez, 20m for Song, 26m for Mascherano. How's that not overpaying?
 
Balu said:
How was it a poor example when it clearly showed that Barca didn't get him cheap????
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Not a poor 'example', just a poor 'comparison', I think he meant, because in real terms, considering Persie's contract situation and being older, he was just as 'expensive' as Villa.
 
KM said:
35m Euros for Cesc, 35m Euros for Sanchez, 20m for Song, 26m for Mascherano. How's that not overpaying?
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Wenger on Cesc:

"We sold Cesc for a reduced fee. If you can make an auction between Real Madrid, Chelsea and Manchester City, you will certainly get more money, but he just wanted to go to Barcelona.

Cesc went because he was desperate to play for his home town at a club where his grandfather was a member of the committee. It's not a financial affair but one of the heart."
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Pozzo on Alexis:

"The final price was 26 million euros plus another 11 million euros in variables," Pozzo told Ona FM. "He only wanted to sign for Barcelona and because of that the negotiations were not easy."

He added, "There were offers from England that were higher, a 45 million euros from Manchester City to be precise."
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Mascherano was bought for £17.5 million despite Roy Hodgson rating the vital player with 2 years left on his contract at £25 million. A player they got from West Ham for £18.6 million. The player himself giving up 20% of the salary he was getting at Anfield to make the deal happen

Song purchased for £15 million despite 3 years left on his Arsenal contract, not bad business for the starting DM who can also fill in at CB. Not an ideal purchase but certainly didn't overpay for him
 
Balu said:
How was it a poor example when it clearly showed that Barca didn't get him cheap????
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You used it as a comparison and apples to apples, it was a poor comparison. United overpaid for a player in the last year of his contract. Barcelona got a player who had been a 5 time league scoring champ vs a one time PL scoring champ, a year younger and who still had 4 years on his contract for just what a player of that caliber goes for.

Now, had Villa been bought from Valencia with a year left on his contract and a year older than they did and paid 30 million? Yeah, it'd have been an expensive deal or one they overpaid for

Worth mentioning, as well, that my comment was about Rosell's deals. Villa was a Laporta purchase
 
KM said:
35m Euros for Cesc, 35m Euros for Sanchez, 20m for Song, 26m for Mascherano. How's that not overpaying?
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The best midfielder in England, the best player of Serie A in that season, Mascherano was playing great (sometimes he was even called the best defensive midfielder in the world) and Song is a very decent player. I don't think that this is overpaying at all.

Ibra and Chygrynski on the other hand were overpaying.
 
FCBarca said:
You used it as a comparison and apples to apples, it was a poor comparison. United overpaid for a player in the last year of his contract. Barcelona got a player who had been a 5 time league scoring champ, a year younger and who still had 4 years on his contract for just what a player of that caliber goes for.

Now, had Villa been bought from Valencia with a year left on his contract and a year older than they did and paid 30 million? Yeah, it'd have been an expensive deal or one they overpaid for
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Also he was regarded as the best striker in the world at that time. 40m looked a steal back there.
 
Revan said:
Also he was regarded as the best striker in the world at that time. 40m looked a steal back there.
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He was practically the same age RvP was when we signed him though, and he was also pretty much the best striker (or close to it) in the world at that time. €40m is a hell of a lot of money.

I think it's a bit of a myth that Barca get players for reduced fees all the time, maybe with a few here and there but they've paid considerable amounts for players too, as was mentioned above. They're no better/worse than most big clubs really, bar the sugar-daddy operated ones.

Put it this way, I doubt we'd have paid more money for the majority of the signings they've made in the last six to seven years than they did.
 
Cina said:
He was practically the same age RvP was when we signed him though, and he was also pretty much the best striker (or close to it) in the world at that time. €40m is a hell of a lot of money.

I think it's a bit of a myth that Barca get players for reduced fees all the time, maybe with a few here and there but they've paid considerable amounts for players too, as was mentioned above. They're no better/worse than most big clubs really, bar the sugar-daddy operated ones.

Put it this way, I doubt we'd have paid more money for the majority of the signings they've made in the last six to seven years than they did.
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Villa had a long contract for Valencia though while RVP was on his final year. I could also argue that Villa was a bigger name than RVP. Anyway, I don't think that we overpayed for RVP, he is a top player and one of the main reasons why we will hopefully win the title/double this year.

The myth came from Fabregas and Alexis deals which at the time looked that they under payed for them. Of course, Ibra and Chygrynski on the other side were the total opposite.
 
Revan said:
Villa had a long contract for Valencia though while RVP was on his final year. I could also argue that Villa was a bigger name than RVP. Anyway, I don't think that we overpayed for RVP, he is a top player and one of the main reasons why we will hopefully win the title/double this year.

The myth came from Fabregas and Alexis deals which at the time looked that they under payed for them. Of course, Ibra and Chygrynski on the other side were the total opposite.
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I never said we did...

Anyway, it is, as you say, a myth.

I also don't think they underpaid for Fabregas or Alexis, it was probably around the right price for both, it's just that the fees being thrown around by the media when they were being linked with other clubs were higher than what they actually paid. That doesn't mean they underpaid for them, they probably paid the price being asked, it just means the media were wrong.
 
FCBarca said:
Wenger on Cesc:
Pozzo on Alexis:
Mascherano
Song
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Question you got to ask is, after spending roughly 110-120 million Euros in transfer fees + whatever in wages, have these guys really improved the first team? The answer is, not really.
 
Suedesi said:
Question you got to ask is, after spending roughly 110-120 million Euros in transfer fees + whatever in wages, have these guys really improved the first team? The answer is, not really.
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Well, to be fair, it takes a very special player to improve a side like Barcelona.
 
Villa has never won Pichichi....yet alone 5 times. -_-

Most consistent scorer in Europe though, his 10 season 20+ goals streak was incredibly impressive.
 
Suedesi said:
Question you got to ask is, after spending roughly 110-120 million Euros in transfer fees + whatever in wages, have these guys really improved the first team? The answer is, not really.
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I guess not

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You do realise that Mascherano is the only one of them to have won a major trophy with Barcelona? Sanchez and Fabregas came in 2011 and Barcelona's only trophy since then was Copa del Rey.
 
None of these transfers was overpaid though. Fabregas was undervalued if anything, normally a midfielder of his calibre would cost £35m+ easily and he went to Barca for less than Madrid paid for Modric. Song at £15m was also priced fairly and so was Mascherano at £17m - they didn't need either of them for their midfield but that doesn't affect their valuation which was fair at the time. Sanchez was considered as a major talent and any club would gladly pay €26m for him.
 
You do realize that all of them other than Mascherano have been there for less than 2 seasons too, right?
 
FCBarca said:
You do realize that all of them other than Mascherano have been there for less than 2 seasons too, right?
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Yes but he made a valid point about them not improving the team that much and you responded with trophies they had nothing to do with.
 
2 trophies last season, on track for 1 to 5 this season. Not every season will result in 6 trophies, Pep's achievements cannot be bested
 
FCBarca said:
2 trophies last season, on track for 1 to 5 this season. Not every season will result in 6 trophies, Pep's achievements cannot be bested
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Copa del Rey and Club World Cup which should really count for the previous season because that's when you win the right to compete for it and in most cases the final is relatively easy for European sides. I don't think you meant them when you posted the picture, for clubs like Barcelona only league and CL count as big trophies and are the targets for each season.

But then again you thought you had a better season than Madrid last year in spite of them winning La Liga, because 3 trophies outweigh 1 trophy (that's why teams value Confederations Cup as much as World Cup).

And how are you supposed to win 5 trophies this season? You've not won even one yet and you're only in CL and La Liga. So you are going to have a much worse season than last one because you won three then, right?
 
Barcelona try to win everything they play, so trophies count...You forgot the Spanish Super Cup, against RM, for Cesc's first trophy with Barcelona

5 are still on the table.

La Liga, which is essentially in the bag.
CL, in the quarterfinals
Spanish Super Cup they face the CDR winner
UEFA Super Cup should they win CL
Club World Cup should they win CL
 
Judging signings by the number trophies they win is very short sighted.
And judging on money spent and not net spend is silly too.
Barca's net spent since 10/11 is around €55mil. For a club their size that's not that much. United for example have spent 110mil over that time, Real ~130, Bayern ~120m.
 
Not denying it, just saying they were bought for cheaper than market prices

Cesc is better than I gave him credit for but I never wanted him in the first place.

Alexis remains a big disappointment but it should also dispel the myth that anyone can play in a team like this...they can't. Plus, when he's sold, they'll get most of their investment back.
 
FCBarca said:
Barcelona try to win everything they play, so trophies count...You forgot the Spanish Super Cup, against RM, for Cesc's first trophy with Barcelona

5 are still on the table.

La Liga, which is essentially in the bag.
CL, in the quarterfinals
Spanish Super Cup they face the CDR winner
UEFA Super Cup should they win CL
Club World Cup should they win CL
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I don't really consider Supercups and such as trophies, for me they are glorified friendlies. Well you can add UEFA Supercup for 2011 when they beat Porto but it won't really give you a fair picture - Chelsea won CL and Real won La Liga, two of the most important trophies.

You'll win the league this season and have a good chance in CL. Last season was unimpressive in terms of trophies return though.

As for these players, I think Mascherano has done a good job, Fabregas impact will be pivotal once Xavi leaves or declines. Song and Sanchez have been poor.
 
So you don't consider them trophies, gotchya. You want to use your own subjective criteria for what constitutes success to make your own argument - you don't need me then

Plus, I'm thinking Thiago is going to lap Cesc sooner than later
 
I wonder if teams steamrolling towards promotion consider the next league the same season like this dude randomly listing next seasons supercups as stuff for this season.
 
How did a thread about a German CB from Dortmund turn into a discussion about what trophy of Barcelona is worth counting, lol? Its quite clear, that the CL, a league title or national cup have way more weight than a trophy about a single game. But you get a shiny cup for that, so I guess it counts for something.

My take on this so called "article" of SportBild: Rubbish. The author writes about a mysterious buy out clause, which was already denied by Hummels himself a while ago.

Without a clause, taking his contract length (2017) and his standing in the club (head of defense, likely future captain, identification figure) into account, Barcelona would need to pay a huge amount of money for him, which could very well be more than the transfer fee of Thiago Silva.
 
Yeah, I think Barcelona would've jumped on Silva had Qatari money not entered into the fray. I've read the player likes the club which isn't the same as Dortmund wanting/needing to sell but still think Hummels would be hard to pry away when it's not clear if he's ideally suited to pair with Piqué anyway
 
FCBarca said:
2 trophies last season, on track for 1 to 5 this season. Not every season will result in 6 trophies, Pep's achievements cannot be bested
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FCBarca said:
Barcelona try to win everything they play, so trophies count...You forgot the Spanish Super Cup, against RM, for Cesc's first trophy with Barcelona

5 are still on the table.

La Liga, which is essentially in the bag.
CL, in the quarterfinals
Spanish Super Cup they face the CDR winner
UEFA Super Cup should they win CL
Club World Cup should they win CL
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So you are including the previous club world cup in last season's success(when chelsea won the CL) but are including the next season's cup in this season's trophy haul? Makes sense.:lol:
 
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