Mats Hummels

[Chesterlestreet]

I like Dortmund, but if we could get Hummels then I won't even think twice about how it will effect them. Not that we are getting him of course.

I don't even like Dortmund - I hated them back in the day. But I do like a bit of...something. And Klopp is something.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

What a strange stance. I could agree if it was another club interested in one of their star players, but your own team??? Definitely with Bestie on this one.

If Hummels had been Messi I'd have a different stance. But he clearly ain't. I don't rate him all that highly - which explains the strange stance, I suppose.

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

I know that swap deals only exist largely in the heads of a Daily Star journalists, but can't we just offer them Kagawa plus a small sum?

 

[Havak]

Seems like there's a lot of heat around this now, pretty big explosion today but I'm unsure why as I felt there was only a small chance of us getting his signature. This is making me think otherwise, but don't want to go in full muppet mode. If we can get him at a steal price, amazing, but I'd gladly us break the bank and offer £35m+ if it means it's a done deal.

 

[Sixpence]

Seems like there's a lot of heat around this now, pretty big explosion today but I'm unsure why as I felt there was only a small chance of us getting his signature. This is making me think otherwise, but don't want to go in full muppet mode. If we can get him at a steal price, amazing, but I'd gladly us break the bank and offer £35m+ if it means it's a done deal.

Those clowns at PSG have inflated the CB market now so we will have to pay minimum £30m. Can see Dortmund holding strong on this, they've no need to sell and I reckon Hummels is a good professional who will not rock the boat too much if a deal isn't done.

 

[Balu]

The fellow Germans in here are weird. What do you expect for an exciting player rumoured to sign for us on an United forum? All doom and gloom I suppose.

We already established that @Piratesoup is a weirdo in the Pep's Bayern thread, so that's nothing new. And I honestly believe this is going to happen now that I know how chummy United and Dortmund are with each other. Congrats to a brilliant signing. Oh and you really can't criticise Dortmund fans like @Sphaero for wanting to believe that they can actually keep their best player and won't sell him for 20m. Don't be mean and shatter his dreams.

 

[do.ob]

The fellow Germans in here are weird. What do you expect for an exciting player rumoured to sign for us on an United forum? All doom and gloom I suppose.

Yeah I mean it's only the player and Dortmund's officials explicitly ruling out a move for this summer numerous times vs British/Spanish "journalists". Tough choice.

 

[Piratesoup]

Damn you, @Balu! I thought we were chums! And to think I was just about to offer you 15 euros and 3 unopened packs of Panini stickers for your season ticket... That's it. Deal's off!

 

[bucky]

We already established that @Piratesoup is a weirdo in the Pep's Bayern thread, so that's nothing new. And I honestly believe this is going to happen now that I know how chummy United and Dortmund are with each other. Congrats to a brilliant signing. Oh and you really can't criticise Dortmund fans like @Sphaero for wanting to believe that they can actually keep their best player and won't sell him for 20m. Don't be mean and shatter his dreams.

Yeah I mean it's only the player and Dortmund's officials explicitly ruling out a move for this summer numerous times vs British/Spanish "journalists". Tough choice.

That's not really the point I'm making. All I'm saying is, that it is completely normal considering where you post, that there will be optimistic people hoping for Hummels to sign for us. The funny part is actually seeing how worked up people get over this and how often they make the effort in repeating their sensible posts. And to be fair most actually don't believe that he is coming here, it's mostly hope that guides us.

 

[Globule]

I really don't know what to make of the large discrepancy in prices being mentioned by the media and fans. Some media outlets are quoting a sum as low as £16m, whereas most on here think, if it is going to happen, it's going to be in excess of £25m.

 

[Invictus]

Yeah I mean it's only the player and Dortmund's officials explicitly ruling out a move for this summer numerous times vs British/Spanish "journalists". Tough choice.

But does it necessarily rule out the possibility of a transfer ?

Villas-Boas is adamant Madrid are wasting their time in pursuit of his prize asset.
‘We have the pledge of the chairman that Bale is not going to leave the club.’

Sir Alex Ferguson:
"You don't think we'd get into a contract with that mob, do you? Jesus Christ. I wouldn't sell them a virus"

Sammer :
"We have no intention of selling Toni prematurely," he told Sueddeutsche Zeitung. "As [Bayern president] Uli Hoeness recently said: Bayern are a buying club, not a selling club."
"We want to extend Toni's deal."

Ancelotti:
'Not true, I don't have any news about this,' he said at the press conference when asked to confirm whether a deal had been agreed with the Italian club.
'I think that now we have to speak about Higuain as a Real Madrid player. He is a fantastic player and a fantastic striker who took one minute to score tonight.
'I spoke to him this week. He is a Real Madrid player.

For all we know it could be public posturing. Not saying it will 100% happen. but then it's not 100% certain that he'll stay either. Everything's possible in football.

 

[bucky]

I really don't know what to make of the large discrepancy in prices being mentioned by the media and fans. Some media outlets are quoting a sum as low as £16m, whereas most on here think, if it is going to happen, it's going to be in excess of £25m.

I'm fairly sure we need to pay 40 to 45m, if there's going to be the slightest chance. He's worth that in my opinion.

 

[Globule]

I'm fairly sure we need to pay 40 to 45m, if there's going to be the slightest chance. He's worth that in my opinion.

I don't think it would be that high, but I do agree that it will be a big fee. I just find it weird that some newspapers are quoting £16m-£20m. Where would they get such a figure? If they're just plucking numbers out of thin air, surely they'd go for something more believable.

 

[Godfather]

Yeah I mean it's only the player and Dortmund's officials explicitly ruling out a move for this summer numerous times vs British/Spanish "journalists". Tough choice.

Actually the word of the selling club and the player himself is the least you should listen to. The very least. Not that I think this will happen. I don't think it will at all.
But to think it won't because Dortmund's officials are saying so in public is laughable.

 

[hebegebe]

Is he actually any good? Seems to have quite a few dodgy moments

 

[do.ob]

But does it necessarily rule out the possibility of a transfer ?

For all we know it could be public posturing. Not saying it will 100% happen. but then it's not 100% certain that he'll stay either. Everything's possible in football.

Literally everything points towards Dortmund keeping him. Even if the officials were risking their reputation to maybe increase a potential fee, why would the player do the same?
The only thing that speaks for a move this summer are the same journalists who are known publish fiction all the time.
This is as sure as it gets in modern football.

 

[Cina sucks]

Is he actually any good? Seems to have quite a few dodgy moments

He is far better than all of our current CBs put together.

 

[bucky]

Is he actually any good? Seems to have quite a few dodgy moments

Those have been overstated. He is that good. Ferdinand and Vidic had their own moments.

 

[bucky]

Literally everything points towards Dortmund keeping him. Even if the officials were risking their reputation to maybe increase a potential fee, why would the player do the same?
The only thing that speaks for a move this summer are the same journalists who are known publish fiction all the time.
This is as sure as it gets in modern football.

There could also be the possibility after winning the world cup and enjoying a successful period with Dortmund that he might think now is the best time for a new challenge.

 

[do.ob]

Actually the word of the selling club and the player himself is the least you should listen to. The very least. Not that I think this will happen. I don't think it will at all.
But to think it won't because Dortmund's officials are saying so in public is laughable.

Yeah, rather trust the people people who lie for a living, especially when there is nothing but wishful thinking to support the stories.

 

[Godfather]

Yeah, rather listen to people who lie for a living.

That's a totally different matter.
The credibility of a club stating publically that a player won't be sold has nothing to do with the credibility of the press.

I agree with you that the deal looks unlikely. There have only been shitty sources linking us with him. But Dortmung saying so means absolutely nothing. Most of the time at least.

 

[Globule]

Literally everything points towards Dortmund keeping him. Even if the officials were risking their reputation to maybe increase a potential fee, why would the player do the same?

How many players actually stick their neck on the line and say they actually want to move. Clearly there are some, but I'd guess it's a small portion compared to actual transfers. Especially when, if there is no deal, he is probably perfectly happy to stay at Dortmund. Why would he risk pissing off the club?

 

[do.ob]

How many players actually stick their neck on the line and say they actually want to move. Clearly there are some, but I'd guess it's a small portion compared to actual transfers. Especially when, if there is no deal, he is probably perfectly happy to stay at Dortmund. Why would he risk pissing off the club?

Hummels didn't just stay put, he explicitly ruled out a move this summer just a couple of weeks ago. I get the argument that club officials sometimes bend the truth to get their club into a better position, but the player would just ruin his reputation for nothing.

 

[Invictus]

Yeah, rather trust the people people who lie for a living. When there is nothing but wishful thinking to support the stories.

No need to get angsty mate. All we're saying is that the transfer market scene is extremely fluid in nature, nothing is set in stone. No one is accusing the Dortmund officials of being liers. By the same adage was Sammer a lier, was Ancelotti, was Fergie ?

Honestly this is the transfer section, there's bound to be speculation. Some of it might be wishful/ unsubstantiated but that comes with the territory. Or would you rather we shush every rumour down ?

Also so what if Hummels said he's staying ? Is he supposed to be insensitive towards Dortmund issue a "come and get me plea" ?

 

[do.ob]

No need to get angsty mate. All we're saying is that the transfer market scene is extremely fluid in nature, nothing is set in stone. No one is accusing the Dortmund officials of being liers. By the same adage was Sammer a lier, was Ancelotti, was Fergie ?

Honestly this is the transfer section, there's bound to be speculation. Some of it might be wishful/ unsubstantiated but that comes with the territory. Or would you rather we shush every rumour down ?

I only wish that people wouldn't forget all the blatant lies from journalists after two days just because they write something that fans want to believe.

 

[Godfather]

Hummels didn't just stay put, he explicitly ruled out a move this summer just a couple of weeks ago. I get the argument that club officials sometimes bend the truth to get their club into a better position, but the player would just ruin his reputation for nothing.

"I will stay".

Ronaldo in the summer he was sold to Real Madrid.

 

[Godfather]

I only wish that people wouldn't forget all the blatant lies from journalists after two days just because they write something that fans want to believe.

Nobody does that. And if you would read through the thread you will see that there are almost ZERO ppl believing that this will come even close to happening. It's just the ridiculous argument that if a club or a players states he won't move it rules out every possiblity of it happening.

 

[Invictus]

I only wish that people wouldn't forget all the blatant lies from journalists after two days just because they write something that fans want to believe.

What's so wrong with a bit of playful muppetry ? Most of us have figured out it's unlikely without you and other German posters (no offence intended) incessantly putting a downer on the rumours...

Leave the muppets be.

 

[hebegebe]

Those have been overstated. He is that good. Ferdinand and Vidic had their own moments.

Might be overstated, but he still makes them, great with the ball at his feet, but can he defend? You seem to be sold on him, have you watched many Dortmund games?

 

[Lynk]

He's not in Ferdinand or Vidic's class, but he's a solid defender.

 

[Bestie07]

Nobody does that. And if you would read through the thread you will see that there are almost ZERO ppl believing that this will come even close to happening. It's just the ridiculous argument that if a club or a players states he won't move it rules out every possiblity of it happening.

What the German posters ignore is the fact that not everyone posting on this forum has the time to go and read what the Dortmund CEO and Hummels have previously said. Some posters just read the headline from a newspaper and think there might be something in it. The majority of the posters however recognize that the chances of us signing him are slim. That's why I find the patronizing tone used by them on this page slightly over the top.

 

[hebegebe]

He is far better than all of our current CBs put together.

That's a bold statement.

 

[Cina sucks]

That's a bold statement.

Well he is. For a start, all of our current CBs are sick notes or full of mistakes and just aren't in the same league as Hummels.

We laugh at Pool's central defenders but ours are no better. I'd love a Smalling/Evans partnership prove me wrong under Van Gaal mind you, would be more than happy to eat my words!

 

[Sunny Jim]

Is he actually any good? Seems to have quite a few dodgy moments

I always thought that Subotic is the better defender.

 

[Lynk]

Well he is. For a start, all of our current CBs are sick notes or full of mistakes and just aren't in the same league as Hummels.

We laugh at Pool's central defenders but ours are no better. I'd love a Smalling/Evans partnership prove me wrong under Van Gaal mind you, would be more than happy to eat my words!

Have you seen Hummels play? He is very much liable to mistakes himself.

 

[do.ob]

"I will stay".

Ronaldo in the summer he was sold to Real Madrid.

So some players sometimes lie. Same goes for managers and CEOs. Now how often do journalists lie? How often does a Spanish paper have inside knowledge of a transfer between an English and German club?
Ignore all the facts because 'anything can happen in football'. That's just a killer phrase (is that the right word for it?), that trumps all reason.

 

[bucky]

Might be overstated, but he still makes them, great with the ball at his feet, but can he defend? You seem to be sold on him, have you watched many Dortmund games?

Yes and yes. I watch Dortmund and Schalke probably the most as far as German football goes. I can't even recall his latest big mistake, has been a while I think. He's good in the air, a good passer of the ball, great at intercepting and reading the game.

He's not in Ferdinand or Vidic's class, but he's a solid defender.

Arguably he isn't that far away and solid is an understatement for him.

 

[sullydnl]

Agree that we really shouldn't take what a player or club says at face value, the fact that they say they won't sell doesn't really mean they won't sell. We've seen this so many times before.

That said, in this particular case they really aren't going to sell. Or at least they won't sell at any sane price. They don't need the money, they do need the player, they love him, he seems very happy there and even if he was open to the move he'd never push for it. Even if we totally ignore the things both Dortmund and Hummels have said there's still no real reason to think this has any chance of happening.

The low price mentioned in those articles just makes these bullshit stories even less credible.

Maybe we have/will make some sort of move for Hummels this summer but if we do I'd expect the German media to pick up on it pretty quickly.

 

[do.ob]

Have you seen Hummels play? He is very much liable to mistakes himself.

That was probably true for his 12/13 season, but before and after that he was very reliable.

I always thought that Subotic is the better defender.

When Subotic is out Sokratis simply steps in, when Hummels is missing the whole team suffers. There was an infographic from Bundesliga.com that showed some with/-out Hummels stats of the team, which looked quite shocking (though you have to keep in mind that the opposition was harder when Hummels was injured).
They are different types of defenders in general. Subotic is more of a hard no no nonsense guy, who is okay on the ball but nothing more whereas Hummels is probably one of the best ball playing defenders and relies more on anticipation.
It also depends on what you already got and what you need. For example if you somehow already had a Hummels-clone maybe

 

[northbynorthwest]

he is slow but his toughness reminds me of vidic