Mats Hummels

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Sunny Jim said:
I always thought that Subotic is the better defender.
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Lynk said:
Have you seen Hummels play? He is very much liable to mistakes himself.
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Where does this come from that he makes so many mistakes? I can't remember a single mistake he's made in 2014...
He wasn't fully fit in the WC final that is why he didn't look his best there.

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If a Spanish sports newspaper reports first on the transfer of a Germany international to an English club, a certain scepticism is entirely appropriate. (Bild)
 
Godfather said:
That's a totally different matter.
The credibility of a club stating publically that a player won't be sold has nothing to do with the credibility of the press.

I agree with you that the deal looks unlikely. There have only been shitty sources linking us with him. But Dortmung saying so means absolutely nothing. Most of the time at least.
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Story of united's overall transfer expectations for years now, a deal is unlikely
 
bucky said:
Yes and yes. I watch Dortmund and Schalke probably the most as far as German football goes. I can't even recall his latest big mistake, has been a while I think. He's good in the air, a good passer of the ball, great at intercepting and reading the game.



Arguably he isn't that far away and solid is an understatement for him.
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His last game of football - the World Cup final was a long time ago?

Messi ran him ragged a few times but he does that to everyone but his mistake for the palacio chance could have cost Germany big time.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Not even remotely as brutal a defender as vidic. He's more of a ball playing defender who isn't as solid and will make more mistakes but is better on the ball.
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Fantastically harsh. Isn't as solid and will make more mistakes?! Agreed, he is better on the ball. He is a top, top CB and we'd be hard pressed to find a better player.
 
Gaeilge said:
Fantastically harsh. Isn't as solid and will make more mistakes?! Agreed, he is better on the ball. He is a top, top CB and we'd be hard pressed to find a better player.
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He does indeed. Vidic was an absolute rock for us. One of the best defenders of his generation when it comes to defending. Hummels is better on the ball but not as solid defensively IMO or at least hasn't been so far.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
His last game of football - the World Cup final was a long time ago?

Messi ran him ragged a few times but he does that to everyone but his mistake for the palacio chance could have cost Germany big time.
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1) he went into the final with an injury
2) if Messi gets a 1on1 with your CB in a counter attack it's not the defenders fault, your defense as a whole has failed
 
amolbhatia100 said:
He does indeed. Vidic was an absolute rock for us. One of the best defenders of his generation when it comes to defending. Hummels is better on the ball but not as solid defensively IMO or at least hasn't been so far.
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Are you judging him only on the WC final where he played 120 minutes and was clearly not fit? He was probably still the best CB in the World Cup overall.
 
Lynk said:
He's not in Ferdinand or Vidic's class, but he's a solid defender.
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Fair comment, I think. I've seen him enough over the years, I think, to agree to that comment. He's better on the ball than both, but far less of a battler than Vidic, far slower than Rio (and Vidic too, considering the latter when he was 25) and more error prone than both of 'em in their pomp (Rio was very much error prone in his youth, be it said). As far as reading the game is concerned, he looks intelligent. Knows how to start the build-up, does that very well. Nothing like Rio's instinct for snuffing out danger, though. Nothing at all like that.

Given the standard right here and now, he's very good. But he isn't anywhere near the standard of a Rio (or a Vidic) in prime condition. Well, that's my opinion anyway.

And he looks horribly slow at times. The sort of lack of speed far poorer players than Messi can capitalize on.
 
Right so we can remember the last proper mistake he made and it was in his last game of football. Cheers.
 
He's undeniably better than any of our current defenders and is one of the best centre backs in the world, can we not all agree with that?
 
Lynk said:
He's undeniably better than any of our current defenders and is one of the best centre backs in the world, can we not all agree with that?
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Yes - I can agree with that.

Is he someone we should pay an arm and a leg for because he's obviously right for us and would improve us immensely? Dunno about that, to be frank.

Vidal? That's a no brainer. Both because of his quality and his suitability. Hummels? Not the same.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Fair comment, I think. I've seen him enough over the years, I think, to agree to that comment. He's better on the ball than both, but far less of a battler than Vidic, far slower than Rio (and Vidic too, considering the latter when he was 25) and more error prone than both of 'em in their pomp (Rio was very much error prone in his youth, be it said). As far as reading the game is concerned, he looks intelligent. Knows how to start the build-up, does that very well. Nothing like Rio's instinct for snuffing out danger, though. Nothing at all like that.

Given the standard right here and now, he's very good. But he isn't anywhere near the standard of a Rio (or a Vidic) in prime condition. Well, that's my opinion anyway.

And he looks horribly slow at times. The sort of lack of speed far poorer players than Messi can capitalize on.
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rio was great at that. used his head brilliantly
 
Its interesting to note that that many worrries about his pace. According to FIFAs trackimg tool, he measured a top speed of 32 kmt during the WC. Furthermore, he was the Germanplayer measured at highest pace in the WC-final. More than anything, it is probably a proof that top speed is not that important in football compared too acceleration over a short distance..
 
gofelx said:
Where does this come from that he makes so many mistakes? I can't remember a single mistake he's made in 2014...
He wasn't fully fit in the WC final that is why he didn't look his best there.

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If a Spanish sports newspaper reports first on the transfer of a Germany international to an English club, a certain scepticism is entirely appropriate. (Bild)
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Im not saying hes bad or anything. Yes he makes an odd mistake bit hes defo an up grade on waht we already have.

But Subotic is better.
 
andersj said:
Its interesting to note that that many worrries about his pace. According to FIFAs trackimg tool, he measured a top speed of 32 kmt during the WC. Furthermore, he was the Germanplayer measured at highest pace in the WC-final. More than anything, it is probably a proof that top speed is not that important in football compared too acceleration over a short distance..
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He could just be that no one could keep up with Messi when Messi is running at full pace.
 
Just not fussed either way with this guy, plenty of other decent defenders we can get alot easier, and cheaper.
 
andersj said:
Its interesting to note that that many worrries about his pace. According to FIFAs trackimg tool, he measured a top speed of 32 kmt during the WC. Furthermore, he was the Germanplayer measured at highest pace in the WC-final. More than anything, it is probably a proof that top speed is not that important in football compared too acceleration over a short distance..
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Good point - very good point. Top speed at full stride doesn't mean much when you're called upon to keep up - within reason - with someone who bursts into a run.

Most great central defenders don't have the pure speed to keep up with attackers - that's not the issue here. To me Hummels looks slow in terms of reaction, how quick he's off the blocks - for a top notch defender. That's my issue with him. Not what he may produce in terms of getting into his stride and gaining speed over greater distances.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Isn't Hummels only 25? Same age as Vidic when he joined us? Vidic made shitloads of mistakes in his first 6-12 months at United. Why get hung up on an error or two that Hummels recently made?
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Clearly nones hung up on anything. Someone couldn't remember his last mistake which was in his last game. That's pretty much it.
 
Lynk said:
He's undeniably better than any of our current defenders and is one of the best centre backs in the world, can we not all agree with that?
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Oh he's definitely a quality centre back much better than anything we have. I don't think anyone will claim otherwise.
 
Been said before in this thread but if his pace was that big a problem you'd expect him to get exposed much more often at Dortmund, given the way they play. Plus it would logically be less of an issue at a club with a more conservative defensive line, no?
 
Let's not compare someone's defensive capabilities when they're up against Lionel Messi :lol:

Besides the same Messi made Rio and Vidic look average in 2 champions league finals!
 
sullydnl said:
Been said before in this thread but if his pace was that big a problem you'd expect him to get exposed much more often at Dortmund, given the way they play. Plus it would logically be less of an issue at a club with a more conservative defensive line, no?
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Don't think it's much of an issue. It never is if you positioning is good and his is.
 
Hummels & De Jong or Vidal & de Vrij

Which pair would suit our needs the most?
 
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Sixpence said:
Mitten has said all summer that Hummels is a big target of ours.
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It could well be true... Though it could also be easy / lazy journalism thinking we need a centreback and he is one of the best in the world so logically we would of course be interested.
Only 6 weeks or so to go and at least then we will hopefully have got one of our top targets
 
SonnyTheHaloPro said:
Let's not compare someone's defensive capabilities when they're up against Lionel Messi :lol:

Besides the same Messi made Rio and Vidic look average in 2 champions league finals!
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Nobody actually does, though. And nobody's saying Hummels isn't one of the best CBs on the market. What people are saying is that he has weaknesses - which he does. And that he may not be the sort of player we should pay a fortune for (which we will, if we go for him).
 
vibe said:
No doubt he's a hard target to get, but how reliable are the people saying he's closing in on a move?
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Go and read Klopp's quotes on it.
I'd say the chances of him coming here are about 1%
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
By a mile.
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We need both Hummels & The Fridge. We also need Vidal & Carvalho too. De Jong would do a job of course & the more CM's we buy the friggin better.

We're a joke in CM. Takin Carrick & Herrera out of the equation - we've feck all options but to play the same players all the time, not to mention when players get injured over the course of the season - we're scrapin it again.

We need quality competition in all areas of the pitch if we want to compete for the title - not 4th spot. F*ck those ambitions. Get title-challenging players in now & go for a domestic sweep. Thats the United Way!
 
Sandikan said:
Go and read Klopp's quotes on it.
I'd say the chances of him coming here are about 1%
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Don't think this proves anything to anyone. Klopp is a prideful cnut, head always held high and chalk full of optimism. That's what makes him one of the best coaches in the world, who can pull results with any squad. But he's also a bad indication of how a transfer is progressing.

The last thing he'll do in a season where 2 of his best forwards left (one of which won the bloody World Cup) and his best winger is will almost certainly be gone next season is say "Yeah, we're definitely selling Hummels." Of course he'll be vehement that he's going nowhere even if we offer £100m + insane wages. He wants to keep the morale in the squad and the spirits of the fans high.

Good indicators on how well a transfer is progressing is how often a player is talking to the press, what he's saying and most importantly - how reliable the press sources are.

Hence why I'm asking the latter.
 
vibe said:
Don't think this proves anything to anyone. Klopp is a prideful cnut, head always held high and chalk full of optimism. That's what makes him one of the best coaches in the world, who can pull results with any squad. But he's also a bad indication of how a transfer is progressing.

The last thing he'll do in a season where 2 of his best forwards left (one of which won the bloody World Cup) and his best winger is will almost certainly be gone next season is say "Yeah, we're definitely selling Hummels." Of course he'll be vehement that he's going nowhere even if we offer £100m + insane wages. He wants to keep the morale in the squad and the spirits of the fans high.

Good indicators on how well a transfer is progressing is how often a player is talking to the press, what he's saying and most importantly - how reliable the press sources are.

Hence why I'm asking the latter.
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And of course, after all, it's "Only" July 21st. Loads of time eh?
 
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