Why, because we didn't bend at the will of the selling club for once?
Mathys Tel | talks with Bayern back on?
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Fixing mistakes from the past hurts, but will be worth it in the long run.
I’m sad the deal is off, but this is the least pathetic we have acted in more than a decade
Until you pay what Bayern asked for tomorrow.
Until you pay what Bayern asked for tomorrow.
We won’t. They need to come back with terms closer to what we want and I don’t see them doing anything.
I know we're all desperate for something but I don't think Tel was the answer anyway. Go for someone else.
The problem isn’t the fee it’s that we don’t want an obligation according to reportsUntil you pay what Bayern asked for tomorrow.
Don’t see that happening. A year ago, no doubt it would, but not now.Until you pay what Bayern asked for tomorrow.
Funny thing is, will he go to spurs now? I'm not sure what Bayern do, the spurs deal looks off since they wouldn't want to be known as second option, and it would be pretty demotivating to go back into the squad
As much as I want someone (anyone!!) in we can’t make the same mistakes and Amorim is right. If the deal isn’t completely right for us then we need to walk away. We know that Gyorkeres is probably the top target come the summer and I’d rather us suffer now and get who we want. Getting in another really young player is not gonna solve our biggest problem - consistency
I doubt this. Tel is an opportunistic deal and nothing more. It stops becoming opportunistic when the financials go out of hand.Until you pay what Bayern asked for tomorrow.
Completely agree. Unfortunately, the other options mentioned (Bailey, Nkunku) are just as bad so I’m not getting my hopes up.
I'm very ok with not signing him. Nothing about him seems like something we should actually be signing. Doesn't fit the age profile or current level of what we need and positionally doesn't fit what we need.
So if the Tel deal is off, do you think we'll go for Nkunku or we'll end up not buying/loaning any attacking players n this winter transfer window?
Bayern will simply keep him. He isn’t on a lot of wages and they will try to give him minutes. Bayern is not desperate to sell. But they‘d obviously take 60m for him.
He's certainly talented but I'm not sure what his position is yet. He seems more suited to a 4-3-3, playing from the left. Not sure where he'd fit the United formation.
Feck Bayern.
We remember Hargreaves and Schweinsteiger.
We remember Hargreaves and Schweinsteiger.
I'm not sure how fair on him it would be to bring him in to bail out more established, failing strikers. He's very exciting but he hasn't scored a goal all season.
This post truly is pathetic. Definitely the post.
I think we need to make our own luck and start tossing Chido Obi into the mix in games. Literally can't be more ineffective than what we have and could end up saving us 60/70mn if he's even close in quality to his former academy mates Nwaneri and Lewis-Kelly. Can't just keep watching this golden academy generation win everything around them (bar against City today) and not begin rewarding some of the standouts.
Thank you for buying Zirkzee, too! That was unexpected money.
I miss the days when you were shit and had Christian Lell starting
Yeah we should have paid Antony money for him.
Lell, Ottl, the fans refusing Neuer for Kraft... those were the days.I miss the days when you were shit and had Christian Lell starting
But to be fair to your wish, they're kinda shit recently, too. The rest of the league is just even worse, mostly.
We are kinda good in the league (most goals scored, least conceded, leading Leverkusen by 6pts and 20GD after MD20) but sometimes get complacent when we are up 2 goals or more. The performances in the CL are the worry.
I honestly think the deal falling through is the best possible result for both Tel and United.
Tel needs a more stable environment with less pressure and solid game time to develop. United doesn't need another young project to develop - or fail at developing it.
Bayern were never going to give in to a loan with an option to buy. That would have put all the risk on them, for no significant gain. A pure loan might have worked, but even there I'd have been doubtful at a club going through as much turbulence as United. But never a loan with an option.
Tel needs a more stable environment with less pressure and solid game time to develop. United doesn't need another young project to develop - or fail at developing it.
Bayern were never going to give in to a loan with an option to buy. That would have put all the risk on them, for no significant gain. A pure loan might have worked, but even there I'd have been doubtful at a club going through as much turbulence as United. But never a loan with an option.
Looks like we aren't making a signing then as sounds like those two are off the table as well
Maybe, I’m just not sure how they’d know the inside details of why the deal broke down unless we told them. Feels like the sort of thing the club would want out there.
Does he really? This season Bayern is mostly exactly that but he doesn't get the minutes they could afford to give him for his development. That's on Kompany.
Last season Bayern was much more in turmoil and while he got limited time from Tuchel he was trusted to bail Bayern out occasionally in games where they were under real pressure. He just needs minutes and it's a shame that Kompany is basically refusing to develop him.
Did you just ignore the second half of the sentence? I said he needs a stable environment and solid game time. As you said, he might have the former at Bayern, but not the latter.
United might have offered the latter (if he earned it with good performances) but certainly not the former.
Yes and I disagreed on the stable environment. Just getting game time is crucial and considering the other striker options I believe he would get that at United. I don't think the current situation would have a big negative impact on him, he seems to have a good mentality and I don't think he would be ruined by that.
Exactly.
Even in their (for their circumstances) troublesome last two seasons I'd argue that Bayern wasn't half as tumultuous of a team as United currently is, and especially not towards a very young substitute player who naturally does not have that much pressure on him. Something that would be very different at United, who would certainly loan him out with the expectation to come into the first team or at least a frequent substitute who improves them.
So I don't think your conclusion that it would not affect Tel is all that warranted.
While I do agree that Tel has a good mentality, the pressure to perform and establish himself is visibly impacting him and leads to him taking shots and trying dribbles trying to show off when he should not. In that way he reminds me of Renato Sanches this season, who also always tried hard to show his worth, and often too hard to the point where it was detrimental.
Feck it, where is Jordan Ayew these days, probably do a better job than our pair.
Umm, don't sign Ayew Utd, I am only mostly kidding.
Umm, don't sign Ayew Utd, I am only mostly kidding.
No club is letting a high quality, consistent Premier and Europa League level striker in good form move for cheap in the January window.
We will have to compromise on something and that if that's not form it will have to be player quality or money.
Yeah we’re basically loaning out our cast offs to loan someone else’s in. Tel at least had potential to be someone who could be worth keeping permanently but we simply can’t get this proven player people want now.
It looks like we only want a straight 6 month loan to benefit our squad the rest of the season, we want Tel or Nkunku without paying for their transfer fee or have a obligation to buy them.
Probably because we have plans to sign Gyokeres in the summer for the striker position.
The only way we'd have the obligation to buy included for Tel would be if he's going to play as a number 10 in the system and is not affected by signing Gyokeres or another striker in the summer.
Probably because we have plans to sign Gyokeres in the summer for the striker position.
The only way we'd have the obligation to buy included for Tel would be if he's going to play as a number 10 in the system and is not affected by signing Gyokeres or another striker in the summer.
Precisely. Barring the club revealing that more funds are available that is the market we're shopping in.