Mathys Tel | on his way to SPURS. He’s going to Spurs lads. SPURS

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We better be in for a big summer if they are penny pinching to this extent.
This is the most frustrating aspect of all for me

If the window ends without a forward (which obviously it will now) but the club briefs that they will make it the priority to get a goal scorer in the summer, then I can accept it

But I know it’ll get to June and we will start targeting defenders and midfielders again. I can’t work out why the club is so blind to the need for goalscorers
 
With no contractual option to buy him either, if true then the £8m loan fee makes a lot of sense why we pulled out of this one.
Thank God it looks like we've learnt. I remember us paying like £5m for a 6 month loan for that random striker we signed under Ole and the crazy amount we spent on Amrabat.

This is genuinely nuts, he's got 0 goals in 14 matches. What on earth are spurs thinking?!
 
It all very much happened exactly as I wrote. We preferred a sale or a loan with an obligation, which is no different from a sale. That didn’t materialise, because Tel was smart enough not to go to Spurs permanently. So we fell back on the second best option, a loan without an option or obligation to buy.
I really don’t get why people on here struggle so much with that concept. It’s very simple, really. A straight sale or a loan with an obligation guarantees us a nice and heavy fee. That’s cool.
A loan without any shenanigans involved makes sense for us, because we still control the players future.
A loan with an option to buy, however, sees us giving up all control and is a no go.
I do not struggle to understand the obligation stuff. But.
As I understand United offered loan without obligation. It got rejected as we wanted a simple loan which Bayern accepted from Spurs side.
This is the part I do not understand and is confusing. Especially Tel's previously rejecting Spurs.
 
Looks like we're entering the football transfer equivalent of closing hours at the night club. Desperate to pull someone clouding our judgement.
 
If he was a world class prospect Bayern wouldn’t be so desperate to sell him
 
That still doesn’t explain “dodging a bullet” - that expression carries a negative connotation pertaining the player, no?

And still, the player is seemingly moving to Spurs on a straight loan - no obligation nor option. We’ve actually sanctioned exits and are quite thin upfront - one injury and a bad situation becomes worse - is this good squad planning? Not saying Tel would be the answer to all our problems but I don’t see how allowing for the season to continue to be a nightmare = dodging a bullet

Might be an dumb expression. I am not so sure it’s a wise move to go for a young inexperienced player right now when we need someone to score goals. Obviously he is going to kill it in the Premier League with me saying this and score a couple goals against us.
 
I do not struggle to understand the obligation stuff. But.
As I understand United offered loan without obligation. It got rejected as we wanted a simple loan which Bayern accepted from Spurs side.
This is the part I do not understand and is confusing. Especially Tel's previously rejecting Spurs.
They way I understand the situation, you wanted an option to buy. But even if you didn’t and a straight loan would have been ok with you, Tel might still have considered Spurs to be the better option in such a case. He only rejected a permanent move to them, not a loan.
 
I do not struggle to understand the obligation stuff. But.
As I understand United offered loan without obligation. It got rejected as we wanted a simple loan which Bayern accepted from Spurs side.
This is the part I do not understand and is confusing. Especially Tel's previously rejecting Spurs.
This is the part where all the confusion stems from.
The German media reports that United offered to loan him with an option to buy. Which makes sense for United but not for Bayern.
Bayern wanted either a straight loan or a loan + obligation to buy. Spurs offered both of those.
 
You weren't exactly desperate to sell Kroos. But neither are you to sell Tel, just Spurs being absolute idiots with that 60m offer
I know. I just find this notion weird that we only sell players that immediately implode the second they arrive at their new clubs. We’ve been wrong as often as the next club.
 
Properly run club would try and hijack like Chelsea did famously with Willian. Nah INEOS happy to suffer until the summer just to save money.
 
You think not agreeing to spend £8m on a 6 month loan for a player who's got 0 goals in 14 matches is penny pinching?

When you put it like that is crazy we are even looking at this guy in the first place. I know, lets solve our problem of non scoring strikers by loaning another one who also can't score.

What's the definition of insanity again....
 
If he was a world class prospect Bayern wouldn’t be so desperate to sell him

This is probably true. Annoying to miss out on an option up top given our current state, but there's probably more chance of him crumbling under the pressure of Utd than anything else.

Like it or lump it, there are some positions a club like ours has to buy ready made, top of the list options for. Strikers are just that, it's always been the case. We've never had a successful period without them.
 
This is the part where all the confusion stems from.
The German media reports that United offered to loan him with an option to buy. Which makes sense for United but not for Bayern.
Bayern wanted either a straight loan or a loan + obligation to buy. Spurs offered both of those.
Fair enough.
Makes sense for Bayern.
 
No doubt, it's a disaster of a deal. Spurs are proper clowns in this whole 'saga'
Levy needed to be put in his place after the Kane negotiations. Good to see we accomplished that. Wannabe tough guy negotiater.
 
They way I understand the situation, you wanted an option to buy. But even if you didn’t and a straight loan would have been ok with you, Tel might still have considered Spurs to be the better option in such a case. He only rejected a permanent move to them, not a loan.
Thanks for explaining this more in detail.
Probably makes sense.
 
I have not followed the development but why is he now joining the same club on loan that already made a concrete and pretty decent purchase proposal? Weird one
 
Properly run club would try and hijack like Chelsea did famously with Willian. Nah INEOS happy to suffer until the summer just to save money.

You're talking like this guy is going to come in and start knocking them in the back of the net.....have you seen his record? It's not better than Hojlund or Zirkzee. 12 goals in 60 games.
 
When you put it like that is crazy we are even looking at this guy in the first place. I know, lets solve our problem of non scoring strikers by loaning another one who also can't score.

What's the definition of insanity again....
Earlier in the window Eintract Frankfurt were going to get him on loan with no option. There is absolutely zero chance that they were going to pony up 8m for the privilege of basically four months.

Spurs changed everything by offering 60m. At that point Bayern saw dollar signs and thought lets double our money on a guy who we would prefer to be rid of anyway.

Levy isn't a mug. I'm assuming the reason it's 8m loan fee is that there is some sort of verbal agreement that they will buy him for 52m in the summer. As we saw in another thread, if there is an obligation to buy then from a PSR perspective that actually applies from the start of the loan.
 
8M for a player they were going to play 30 minutes in 6 months is an amazing deal for Bayern. :lol:
 
Earlier in the window Eintract Frankfurt were going to get him on loan with no option. There is absolutely zero chance that they were going to pony up 8m for the privilege of basically four months.

Spurs changed everything by offering 60m. At that point Bayern saw dollar signs and thought lets double our money on a guy who we would prefer to be rid of anyway.

Levy isn't a mug. I'm assuming the reason it's 8m loan fee is that there is some sort of verbal agreement that they will buy him for 52m in the summer. As we saw in another thread, if there is an obligation to buy then from a PSR perspective that actually applies from the start of the loan.
Mate, as of now, Tel doesn't want a transfer to Spurs.
 
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