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Mason Mount's Many Misfortunes (please don't make another waste of money post)
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Declan Rice, Maddison, Mount, all three of them moved that summer. We got the wrong one. Even paying the extra 45m for Rice doesn't seem that bad now.
Is Pep's Spanish doctor still around or is he in jail?
6 weeks of uninterrupted, injury-free Mason Mount? How many animal sacrifices do we need to make to guarantee this comes to pass?
Contracted until 2028, madness..
He's become the new Donny. Fans fetting irrationally hopeful over a player who contributes nothing.
Reports coming out he’s out for 10 weeks 
Out until March with hamstring injury.
This is really frustrating. Between all the massive money we spent on potential, this was one of the signings which was meant to have immediate impact and his constant unavailability has really hurt us.
Chelsea have made us look like right plonkers on this one. 60 mil for an injury prone player who they didn't want deary me
Well at least he'll be back for the run-in.
The best quality is availability. I understand that Amorim really likes some of the players, like Dalot, Mount, Shaw, but putting so much trust in them will have negative effect to the rest of the team. You can not rely on a player that can not stay fit. It means an overload on the rest of the players, and eventually, more injuries.
60m for a player who had one year left, Chelsea needed gone, and who has barely played for us in the 18 months since he signed.
Chelsea have had our pants down with this one.
Chelsea have had our pants down with this one.
Should have brought Madison instead
Its very hard to argue anything else. It was a lot at the time given the situation and it would have been hard to imagine he would have done as little as he's done so far for us. I try to give him credit with the things he does do, like since signing he's won the ball quite well for an attacking player and has made some good runs... He had a pretty good game a month ago... But he's has so few goals, assists and impactful appearances for us and thats just judging what hes done when playing. Then theres the injuries which have been ridiculous. Obviously he's been a terrible signing with no resale value at the current time. Will he ever? Not looking good.
Not sure why you include Dalot in there. Other than Bruno he's probably the least injury-prone player in the squad (watch him break down with an injury in the next game now that I've written that). It's why he and Bruno are the only players who play almost every minute so far.
Add “who we didn’t need at all” and it’s just laughable.
More proof that fans are often right. I would say an overwhelming majority did not understand why we were signing him and didn’t rate him that high - let alone at 60m.
One of these is not like the others. Dalot is always fit which is why he always plays
He wasn’t injury prone at Chelsea so I don’t know why some of you are banging on about that regarding the fee.
There aren't enough animals
By the time he comes back the season will be almost done, and we will have then had two years of him contributing next to nothing.
At this point surely we should look to move him on in the summer if we can find a buyer?
At this point surely we should look to move him on in the summer if we can find a buyer?
Yes he was, it was one of the arguments against buying him.
Great to see posters not referring to the waste of money reference
He only missed 18 games to injuries for Chelsea in all of 4 years. If that's being 'injury prone' then there's very little hope for anyone else who's ever been injured before in their careers.
Though with the gift of hindsight I'll say it was definitely playing for Chelsea and England that broke him. He played an insane amount of football from 2019 to 2022, amounting roughly to around 200 games for club and country in three calendar years with the vast majority being starts and even full 90 minute games. Especially being a workhorse type of player I can imagine those kind of minutes will have taken their toll on Mount's body. That period is not including the 22/23 season where he first started showing drops in form and injury problems. Personally I thought he'd be good to go with just a bit of extra rest but turns out the problem was more serious than that.
This is a strange case. 25 y/o his body is already done. Every injury he gets now is long term with a least a few months out.
Another farcical signing. Just keep him out of the team and out of training whenever he's back from injury, and then give him away in the summer. I'm sick to death of these sicknotes hanging around for years and years
It wasn't 18 games in 4 years that was concerning though, it was the trajectory. 5 games missed before 2022/23 and 13 missed in his last season with 3 separate injuries. Many people rightly voiced their concern about that during the time of the signing... it's especially weird to dismiss them now when he had barely managed to start a couple of games in almost 1,5 seasons.
Having some related injuries in a single season in which you still play over 2100 minutes isn't what most people mean when they say someone is "injury prone". Nor is it indicative of a player who will subsequently barely play.
There have been beyond countless footballers who've had seasons like Mount's final one at Chelsea and gone on to be largely injury free for the next several years. Mount unfortunately wasn't one of them.
The more reasonable problem with the Mount signing at the time was that he wasn't an obvious fit for the team. For him to appear in our starting eleven regularly you had to either believe he'd be converted to a deeper lying #8 or that playing with two #10s ahead of Casemiro would work. Even if he had stayed fully fit, that would likely have been an ill-conceived set up.
Ah, I see what I did, I should've clarified it a bit more. I meant to say, that blindly trusting players who are not in form(Dalot), and players that can not stay fit(Mount, Shaw) will cause him issues. You can clearly see that Dalot on LWB is not working out.
Amorim came out and said that he was happy with Dalot, and that he can see in Mount that Mount really wants it. However, it's pointless if he wants it, if he can not stay fit. Same deal with Shaw, he said that he will help him, however, I don't think there is helping Shaw, his body is beyond repair. I wish I'm wrong, thought.
He didn't really have 3 separate injuries. He missed one game with a knock earlier in the season (hardly something to worry about) and then missed the final couple months of the season due to a pelvic injury. He attempted to come back midway through that injury but ultimately he had to have surgery on it.
Mount basically went three and two thirds seasons at Chelsea with a fitness record that was better than any player in our squad bar Bruno. At the end of that fourth season he then did have the more serious injury which did require surgery. Signing a player on the back of that injury and surgery does carry it's risks (which have unfortunately come to pass in this case), but it's not the same as being injury prone at that point. It'd be the equivalent of calling Dalot injury prone if he picked up an injury in his next game and required surgery.
There's nothing wrong with what Amorim has said for this current season. He's praising one of the players that is always available and showering a lot of public faith in the others. The latter two know they have the manager's backing and now the media will also question it less. It's a win win.
The real 'issue' is if Amorim potentially has the chance to sell/replace any of those three and what he decides to do. A big if, because that's entirely reliant other buying clubs. We know the big wages and long contracts Mount and Shaw are on, so there's very little chance we're going to get anything. Now, knowing Dalot is one of the only Portugese players in the team that knows Amorim's system and is available, why would he want to sell? Sure we could upgrade with a Frimpong or Quenda but then Amorim would be very in his right to say to the board 'I want either of those two but I also want to keep Dalot'.
The only player Amorim has 'blind' faith in thus far is probably Dalot but he's had to play by default because every other player is either injured (Shaw/Mount), coming back from injury (Malacia), are in shite form (Antony) or being knobs (Garnacho/Rashford).
It would totally stupid for Amorim to come in and say nothing about the players (who are all in low form, morale or injured) or worse say they are all shite.
Mount got way overhyped/overpriced by making one assist in the CL.
Him being injured all the time was a different factor.
Him being injured all the time was a different factor.
This will surely be one of those transfers that the true story comes out on one day.
Some dodgy dealing, a favour to an agent etc.
I think pretty much every sane poster said it was an insane fee for a player with 1 year left, who played in the same position as our best player, and who'd just come off a fairly poor season, disrupted by injury later on.
Ten Hag seemed to think we could recreate City's 2 attacking mids and one defensive one, but in the 4-5 games he was actually fit we looked woeful.
Some dodgy dealing, a favour to an agent etc.
I think pretty much every sane poster said it was an insane fee for a player with 1 year left, who played in the same position as our best player, and who'd just come off a fairly poor season, disrupted by injury later on.
Ten Hag seemed to think we could recreate City's 2 attacking mids and one defensive one, but in the 4-5 games he was actually fit we looked woeful.
I actually don't mind keeping Dalot as a bench option, he is always available. I just don't think he will ever be a good LWB, where he currently plays. Can't dribble, can't assist, and his decision-making in the final third lets him down constantly.
I have a hypothetical which I hope someone knows the answer to.
Let's say a player in Mount's position (bought for a large fee, on high wages for the PL) has to retire due to injuries (I hope he will recover fully and still play 40+ games a season for us). What does that mean for a club's FFP/PSR calculations? I assume the club will always have insurance for such eventualities in any case?
Does a club have to suck up the loss, or are the regulations broad enough to cover such eventualities?
Let's say a player in Mount's position (bought for a large fee, on high wages for the PL) has to retire due to injuries (I hope he will recover fully and still play 40+ games a season for us). What does that mean for a club's FFP/PSR calculations? I assume the club will always have insurance for such eventualities in any case?
Does a club have to suck up the loss, or are the regulations broad enough to cover such eventualities?
Didn’t Cole Palmer move that summer too? We essentially gave the money to Chelsea to have a free run at him.
On some level I do feel for him, he seems like a lad who wants to play and his career is being taken from him.
The salary numbs that empathy a little.
Regardless it is not his fault, and he never should have been signed in the first place. I wouldn’t have said his injury record was particularly troublesome but it was going in the wrong direction.
Paying that fee, and giving him a contract as if he was a free signing, when we didn’t immediately need him or frankly need him at all was a disaster. It just screamed “good British player available? Gogogo!!”
Hope he can salvage his career and contribute for us, but I’m not counting on it. As far as I am concerned plan the team as if he doesn’t exist, he’s an extra body down the pecking order if anything.
The salary numbs that empathy a little.
Regardless it is not his fault, and he never should have been signed in the first place. I wouldn’t have said his injury record was particularly troublesome but it was going in the wrong direction.
Paying that fee, and giving him a contract as if he was a free signing, when we didn’t immediately need him or frankly need him at all was a disaster. It just screamed “good British player available? Gogogo!!”
Hope he can salvage his career and contribute for us, but I’m not counting on it. As far as I am concerned plan the team as if he doesn’t exist, he’s an extra body down the pecking order if anything.
Quality player and will be useful to us down the road.
Should be given time to sort out his injuries. Time still on his side.
Should be given time to sort out his injuries. Time still on his side.
Yep, Declan Rice, James Maddison, Mason Mount, and Cole palmer, all moved that summer, and we got the worst one.
I would offer him back to Chelsea he might have some sentimental value to them and they might believe they can fix him.