I used to believe he was a Lingard level player but i was wrong, he's not even that good. Baffling how highly rated he is.
Mason Mount
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You make it sound like he plays for a midtable team not the current ucl holders.
The English Iniesta...
I disagree. I rate Mount higher than Foden and think he is an incredibly valuable player as he has technique, shot and fantastic workrate.
If he played for a Club worthy of any headlines or interest, he would be absolutely slated. He's very lucky he plays for a team that nobody makes any money to cover.
"Lampard was as good or better than Scholes"
Sure.
I actually deleted my post because I decided I couldn't be arse with the replies but you got there fast!
he's a decent player but like all England players gets over hyped
his work rate and reliability are great, and he can come up with a bit of magic too.. easy to see why he gets games for Southgate
his work rate and reliability are great, and he can come up with a bit of magic too.. easy to see why he gets games for Southgate
What can I say. I love your over-hyping of all things Blue too much.
I've seen him have some good games but when he has bad games he is very rarely subbed or dropped. Seems his workrate is like a drug for a cautious manager, I couldn't believe Southgate didn't pull him off until extra time in that Euro game.
His England form is underwhelming, but then that isn't really something that is unique to him. None of Sancho, Foden, Grealish have managed replicate anything close to their club form for Southgate either.
Let's be honest he's not crap. He's a very good footballer. The only thing he might fall foul of is not knowing what his best position is. Despite England's great showing at the Euros it was Mount, in my opinion, that really underperformed.
Scholes had a similar issue with England in that he was considered more versatile and technically better, than Lampard and Gerrard, so was moved around all of the time. Obviously this impacted his performances for the national team.
As it stands Mount is no where near the level of Scholes so we shouldn't be moving heaven and earth to accommodate him but he's a great player and does have plenty to offer.
Scholes had a similar issue with England in that he was considered more versatile and technically better, than Lampard and Gerrard, so was moved around all of the time. Obviously this impacted his performances for the national team.
As it stands Mount is no where near the level of Scholes so we shouldn't be moving heaven and earth to accommodate him but he's a great player and does have plenty to offer.
He will be a class player, I don't get what it is about players like him i.e an attacking player that doesn't just rely on pace that seems to rub people up the wrong way when they're rated. Never judge a player on how they play for England particularly under someone like Southgate.
Just look at his PL stats - he's at 76 apps, 13 goals, 13 assists - essentially he has a goal involvement every 2.9 games and he's 22. It's very good not great though. Silva, lauded as one of the best in that type of role and who moved to the PL at 24 was every 1.9 games when he left. He's nowhere near that world class level but for his age and role he's good good numbers, if Chelsea continue with winning things (and also find a striker who can convert assists in Lukaku) you can expect those number to ramp up.
As an aside, and this shows the power of the media love in for Pep, Silva was actually at his best under Pellegrini and I thought it worth sharing his, quite frankly, ridiculous PL stats under him. 83 apps. 21 goals. 34 assists. I don't think Mount will get to this level but there's no reason he can't be a really elite player.
Sancho and Foden, yes, which is why they don't start that often, which should be the case with Mount, too, but it isn't.
Grealish, not so much. Until this past international break, he's not been given much of a chance, but, when he has started, he's routinely looked like one of our best. If we're sticking with a 4-2-3-1 with Rice and Phillips as our cm duo, he should be one of our guaranteed 3 with Kane and Sterling. That leaves one spot left and, personally, I'd love to see Greenwood tried on the right like here at United.
I don't think he should be starting either really, but that isn't what I was getting at. He's absolutely better than what his England form shows.
If you don’t rate him that’s fine. But you’re going overboard and just speaking nonsense.
Don't mind him. He's just mad that his house is rammed full of packages he's collected on behalf of his neighbours.
At Chelsea he's used correctly, in the national team he isn't.
Follows instructions and a solid all rounder, but there's something wrong when him and Lingard are basically first and second option for the number ten spot
Cannot disagree with that, I just don’t get the hype.
So here is na idea…. move him to nr 8 along with Rice instead of Phillips, then put Grealish/Foden at nr 10 then play 2 out of those 4 Rashford, Sancho, Greenwood, Sterling… on the wings.
How does It sound ?
How does It sound ?
I agree with your deleted post. Mount is a top player, whether he had a bad game or not.
He's decent and still young so could get a lot better. Wouldn't start him for England at the monent if everyone was fit personally, but only because England have so many very good forwards.
He does a bit too much grafting in place of quality for me. The likes of Grealish etc. do the grafting but are also positive and dangerous every time they get the ball.
But then Southgate has only started picking Grealish over Saka because City spent loads of money on him, so a mute point really.
He does a bit too much grafting in place of quality for me. The likes of Grealish etc. do the grafting but are also positive and dangerous every time they get the ball.
But then Southgate has only started picking Grealish over Saka because City spent loads of money on him, so a mute point really.
I've never been a huge fan. He's a decent player, but he plays in a position where being steady and reliable is not enough. To be a key attacking player for a top team I think you need to be exceptionally talented. For a supposed #10, Mount doesn't affect games enough, stats are ok not great and if you compare his all round talent to someone like Foden or Grealish I think he's a level below.
Still young so could prove me wrong, but I expect the hype around him will fade out at some point over the next couple of years and he'll become more of a back up player for Chelsea.
Still young so could prove me wrong, but I expect the hype around him will fade out at some point over the next couple of years and he'll become more of a back up player for Chelsea.
What hype? Chelsea fans love him of course but is he really "hyped" by anyone else?
He's been consistently shite for England.
Provides no threat going forward and his crappy clearance in injury time last night was one of the reasons we conceded the equaliser.
Provides no threat going forward and his crappy clearance in injury time last night was one of the reasons we conceded the equaliser.
Sounds like a biased statement.
Mount was in the Euro squad and so to say played regularly. Lingard didn’t. Mount plays regular on a team pretty equal to United. Lingard doesn’t. Mount is 22. Lingard is 28.
It almost seems like some people wait anxiously for a player they don’t like to have a bad game so that they can tell everyone how he wasn’t that good in the first place.
Let’s be honest, most of you haven’t even watched him that many times play for Chelsea (because if you have there’s absolutely no way you’d say he’s not a good player). You’re mostly judging him based off of his national team performances and the odd time you care to watch him play for Chelsea which is very unfair.
Let’s be honest, most of you haven’t even watched him that many times play for Chelsea (because if you have there’s absolutely no way you’d say he’s not a good player). You’re mostly judging him based off of his national team performances and the odd time you care to watch him play for Chelsea which is very unfair.
For Chelsea he is a starter over ziyech and pulisic. For England he started instead of grealish and Sancho.
I don't know where the overhype of him came from. Of course chelsea fans loves him and rightly so. But he has lot of room for improvement.
I would be happy if he was rested for England NT. But Southgate played him whole game against Poland.
Other than three managers lampard Southgate and tuchel who played him instead of other players nobody hyped him.
Roy Keane once compared him to scholes that's the only praise I heard about him from NonChelsea pundit.
Compared the hype around grealish foden saka sancho then calling mount overhyped
.One cl final loser. Two not even played in top 6 team. Other came from bundesliga who have to prove in pl.yes champions league winner overhyped.
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He is a good player, no doubt about it.
He would be the first choice for us in midfield if he played for us. Baffling how people on here keep dissing him.
He would be first choice over Pogba or Bruno? Are you mad?
I mean he wouldn’t though would he?
Perhaps he feels those two are lacking in the silent domination ?
In CM where we play McFred I mean.
But he’s not really a CM, he’s a CAM which is primarily where he’s played for Chelsea and England. You can argue he could perhaps do a job in CM particularly as the box to box in a 4-3-3, but Utd don’t play that formation. Instead we have two number 8/6 hybrids in a two. Mount would have the same issues as Pogba as a CM in our team, and while he might have better workrate I don’t see him having the defensive instincts to make any impact there in the double pivot and he doesn’t have the passing game of a Pogba to make it worthwhile.
yes take off Bruno and put him.
*London accent*
Mason Fakin Mount
Mason Fakin Mount
I've never seen him play for Chelsea so I cant comment on his club form. But everytime I've seen him for England he's been underwhelming. I was glad he was dropped for the Euros (I don't think Southgate would've had the balls to do it mind you if he wasn't forced to due to the quarantine situation).