I must've missed the season where O'Shea got 13 goals and 16 assists.
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Yes. Maguire and Elanga are rumored to be sold as well.
Chelsea fans being more arsed over Kovacic leaving should say it all
He’s going to be a starter. Don’t think you’ve seen him play but he’s a very good player. Has the technical ability plus he has the work rate. A very shrewd signing that we’re getting easily because Chelsea are in disarray.
Nah I'm not. Seen it so many different places now.
All English players are crap according to our experts from overseas.
Mason a Mountain out of a mole hill, surely?
Even though history has shown countless times that even the best managers often arent that good at talent ID/transfer dealings. But hey , trust Ten Hag right!
Since 9 out of 10 posters in this thread is against signing him, I’m sure he will be our player of the season next year.
It’s just how it works.
It’s just how it works.
Sorry I forgot you know better don't you, apologies.
It's not a signing that excites me I'll be honest.
He's underwhelmed me every time he's played for England, not sure what he really does. He had some very good seasons for Chelsea though before this year.
Some of the meltdowns on here though about it are ridiculous
He's underwhelmed me every time he's played for England, not sure what he really does. He had some very good seasons for Chelsea though before this year.
Some of the meltdowns on here though about it are ridiculous
Nah, we'll just give Chelsea the money to sign Caicedo. It's almost like we're signing him.
When are England ever not underwhelming in general?It's not a signing that excites me I'll be honest.
He's underwhelmed me every time he's played for England, not sure what he really does. He had some very good seasons for Chelsea though before this year.
Some of the meltdowns on here though about it are ridiculous
Can we give them Maguire while at it? Swap. They can name their price for him
Never been mad about him for England but I know a lot of Chelsea fans who rave about him and seem gutted that he's leaving which is always a good sign.
Not sure what was so funny. Seen it with Rashford stuff for 18 months. I have seen some of these same fans say Antony has had a better season than Rashford despite the stats because he keeps the ball better. They are absolute jokers.
We have a English hating fanbase. Strange given they decided to support an English club.
In a general sense, very good player who completely fits ETH's brand of football.
Specific to our team as is, he'll be a direct Eriksen replacement. A little too direct in some ways, as a lot of us assumed we'd target a more natural deeper lying #8 rather than an advanced one.
But in itself that isn't an issue. You don't need that deeper lying, press-resistant #8. But if you don't have one, you do need to compensate in other positions. Which for us will require further signings.
Specific to our team as is, he'll be a direct Eriksen replacement. A little too direct in some ways, as a lot of us assumed we'd target a more natural deeper lying #8 rather than an advanced one.
But in itself that isn't an issue. You don't need that deeper lying, press-resistant #8. But if you don't have one, you do need to compensate in other positions. Which for us will require further signings.
So ETH obviously wanted this type of player. We have DVB and the manager didnt want him to leave, then he got injured and when Eriksen did as well we brought in Sabitzer. When Eriksen came back Sabitzer was then used behind a striker to try and get into goalscoring positions.
This is what all 3 players have in common. Also Bruno finally adapted to play well from the sides this season and Rashford proved he could score lots of goals. But Rashford's style of wanting to come deep and run with the ball, at times from the left, leaves us with no striker in the middle a lot of the time. The ball comes in and we dont have many men in the box or look like getting on the end of it. Unless its Casemiro on set pieces. And thats why this midfielder who gets into the box and wants to score goals is important. Because when Rashford is in the buildup and not in the middle, this player becomes the striker trying to get on the end of things in the middle.
DVB's time would seem to be up. Even when fit he was just a backup who got a bit of gametime. Mount has been this player for Chelsea in 21/22 so he's had 1 season after where the goals started to dry up. So that would need to be rehabbed. I think its fair to expect he'd be back at 6-11 goals next season in a team doing better than Chelsea and that would do the job for us supplimenting Bruno and Rashford. I fully imagine we'd sign a striker as well, or 2 if Martial leaves due to injuries, suspensions and tactical adaptability.
This is what all 3 players have in common. Also Bruno finally adapted to play well from the sides this season and Rashford proved he could score lots of goals. But Rashford's style of wanting to come deep and run with the ball, at times from the left, leaves us with no striker in the middle a lot of the time. The ball comes in and we dont have many men in the box or look like getting on the end of it. Unless its Casemiro on set pieces. And thats why this midfielder who gets into the box and wants to score goals is important. Because when Rashford is in the buildup and not in the middle, this player becomes the striker trying to get on the end of things in the middle.
DVB's time would seem to be up. Even when fit he was just a backup who got a bit of gametime. Mount has been this player for Chelsea in 21/22 so he's had 1 season after where the goals started to dry up. So that would need to be rehabbed. I think its fair to expect he'd be back at 6-11 goals next season in a team doing better than Chelsea and that would do the job for us supplimenting Bruno and Rashford. I fully imagine we'd sign a striker as well, or 2 if Martial leaves due to injuries, suspensions and tactical adaptability.
To be fair it took about 3 years for people to stop complaining because Carrick wasn’t Roy Keane
Erm, they've done quite well by England standards in the last 5 or 6 years.
I'm talking individually too, I've seen pretty much every big current name for England play well at some point. Don't think I have ever watched England and thought Mount played well.
So in the last year he's become someone who can't make an error of judgement?
To be fair, I feel like the club being unable to negotiate a reasonable fee is being taken out on Ten Hag. He's a decent to good player, off the back of a shocking season, wants to leave, 1 year left on his contract, and we're hearing figures of £60m... We can reserve judgement until we know the final fee but it hurts more when you get your pants pulled down for a player who isn't even that great.
Late in the 2nd half of the France quarter final where he was aimlessly losing possession and firing the ball into the stands from long range is what sticks in my head vividly.It's not a signing that excites me I'll be honest.
He's underwhelmed me every time he's played for England, not sure what he really does. He had some very good seasons for Chelsea though before this year.
Some of the meltdowns on here though about it are ridiculous
I mean in an attacking sense. They are a very dull team to watch.
No, he deserves the benefit of the doubt obviously.
You are making assumptions based on your individual experiences. Dont make a theory based on fantasies.
Foreign fans and English fans have the same level of knowledge in football. They are both FANS.
Well when you have the dearth of attacking talent that is available to Southgate, it makes sense to him to start 8 or 9 defensive players.
Erm, Mount was widely unpopular with England fans on here and in general because he's been Southgate's teachers pet and starts every game despite Mount never actually doing anything on the pitch to warrant his place in the team.
That's ludicrous I'm sorry
I'm not really sure the point of the forum if everyone is supposed to pretend they agree with everything the club does because ETH deserves it.
Yeah he was especially terrible in the World Cup. He offered nothing.
I'm not writing this transfer off though because who knows, there have been countless transfers in the last ten years where I was sure they'd be great and they ended up being terrible and last year I wasn't thrilled with us signing Martinez and now he looks a fecking bargain and future Utd captain.
It's nice to see us moving early for a change though.
No problem
While we have some weirdos who hate anything English/British to the point one has to ask why they actually support an English club, you know those “Brexit FC” crowd, not everyone hates English players.
Rashford is my favourite current United player and I would love Kane and Rice (who would actually be much more expensive than Mount). But Mount, my God, even if he was for free I wouldn’t be excited and would still be annoyed at the wages we will give him, but would think “ok, why not”. But here we are, prepared to pay 55-60 mil for him.
These are such silly posts. His opinion that he is sharing on a public forum is that he believes in ten hag to the point that he will give him the benifit of the doubt at this point. If yours is different then share it. He nor the forum is sensoring you.
That's ludicrous I'm sorry
That's his logic, not mine!
He’s more Nicky Butt, with a dash of Bryan Robson (hopefully).
He wouldn’t have been my first choice but if the stories about us targeting Mac Allister were true then I think Mount’s a good alternative in terms of profile, and it’s nice to see ETH has a clear idea of the type of team he wants to build. I still think we need an alternative to Casemiro in midfield so hopefully this isn’t our only signing in that department.
Fair enough.
Disagree. I think by and large our core support are far more knowledgeable. We definitely understand this club more than someone in Singapore does that's for sure.
Obviously there's knowledgeable fans out there too, of course there is, but you only have to read the social media comments to understand what I mean. It's just waves of xenophobic comments constantly about home grown players and they act like some of the foreign players walk on water.
Someone already made the point that if he was called Mason Mountinho and joining from Gremio he'd be a more popular choice.
The English John O'Shea? Have a word with yourself. I have reservations about the signing as well, but he's a very good player who's an England regular has won a CL final as a key player.
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