Actually if you read the thread lots of people have - I would suggest reading this post by @Adnan the thread he posts is very good and detailed, but there's plenty more if you look.
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Actually if you read the thread lots of people have - I would suggest reading this post by @Adnan the thread he posts is very good and detailed, but there's plenty more if you look.
He’s linked to liverpool and arsenal but his preference club to join is man united.
A quick google will find loads of articles.
Heres one: https://www.thisisanfield.com/2023/...to-join-liverpool-than-sign-new-chelsea-deal/
Is it so hard to accept that liverpool and utd see something in moumt that makes bith clubs want him?
That is really suprising. Thanks for posting.
I do recall Utd hiring quite heavily in data science department. I wonder if Mount is the sort of player that we as fans dont really rate, but the data tells a different story? Basically Moneyball approach.
I know, I've seen him play, I know where his strengths lie but a lot of people just say yes because it's a new transfer and when you push them to give a reason why, they can't.
Personally I don't think we need more players that go missing when the team are playing badly and show up when they team are playing well. Systematic players are great in a system but with a system also comes a very clear way to stop a system. I'd prefer it if we focused our efforts on someone who offers more than pass and move ala Sancho.
What Mount is good at:
- His off ball movement.
- His work rate, good at pressing and ball recoveries.
- He is good at making final third ball/passes (which reflect to his high xA from 2019-2022) (we don’t have enough players to make good amount of xA so he can improve us in this aspect).
- His passing accuracy from 2019-2022 is 85% overall (which reflect to his ability to retain possession)
- He’s a midfielder who also can score goals. Can score long shots.
- He‘s chelsea set piece taker, which chelsea had scored good amount of goals from set pieces in 2019-2022.
- He‘s versatile.
Tactically, he’s different to FDJ because FDJ is more a deep-playmaker that plays in double pivot.
Signing Mount means we might see a different system next season because ETH and the scouting team couldn’t find the right player that fits FDJ profile. Instead of playing with 4231 double pivot, ETH might play 433 with one no 6 and two no 8. We see this changing formation in his Ajax team when FDJ left.
The following below is when Ajax had the possession and start their build up play vs Dortmund in 2021/2022 season. You can see that Gravenberch is nowhere near in Ajax build up play phase to progress the ball. It‘s the keeper, two CB, a DM, and the two full backs the ones who got involved in this and if ETH uses this same system then we will rely on those 6 positions to retain possession or recycle the ball. Among these 6 players, Alvarez is the one being assigned to play more simple passes and doesn’t get involved on the ball often (see below stats), this suitable to Casemiro who is not a press resistance so I think we will see a different role in Casemiro next season in comparison to this season.
I think our build up and attacking transition will be something like this:
GK
Varane Martinez
Casemiro
RB —————— Shaw
Antony - Mount - Bruno - Rashford
ST
Varane Martinez
Casemiro
RB —————— Shaw
Antony - Mount - Bruno - Rashford
ST
Bruno and Mount will play in Berghuis and Gravenberch role. Our full backs will cover the half space and sometime swap position with the wingers. So this is where I see Mount might be perfect to play in this set up and system because we will get to utilise his strength to do high press, scoring goals and assists.
I took pictures of these FBref end of last season so this is based on 21/22 season.
I think he is a good player and he would be good signing. It also indicates that we are likely moving on from several homegrown players that need to be replaced. Which generally means you'll have to overpay a bit.
It's every players job to score a goal, doesn't mean it's their main one though
And reading some of the posts on here, I've been watching football for more than 50 years and I just realized I have no idea what the feck a double pivot is, and no I don't want any explanations thank you!!
The only thing I know for sure is that it’s twice as good as a single pivot. That’s enough for me!
It's odd that you have suggested Ward Prowse as a good value signing but would turn your nose up at Mount.
And I have no idea what that is either!
You would be extremely happy with a player who will cost 120-150m and is already off to Madrid, or another who is over 100m who we have 0 need for as he plays in the same position and same role as Casemiro who is one of the best around?
Mount addresses a need. He's a #8. He benches Eriksen and replaces Fred's energy all in 1. He'd play with Casemiro and Bruno. That's a huge improvement. Rice would be a crazy expensive backup who you wouldn't be able to pair with casemiro because then you get a fat 0 on the ball.
Thanks for taking the time to write this, very informative.What Mount is good at:
In term of profile, he fits Klopp‘s profile and ETH’s profile to play in the no 8.
- His off ball movement.
- His work rate, good at pressing and ball recoveries.
- He is good at making final third ball/passes (which reflect to his high xA from 2019-2022) (we don’t have enough players to make good amount of xA so he can improve us in this aspect).
- His passing accuracy from 2019-2022 is 85% overall (which reflect to his ability to retain possession)
- He’s a midfielder who also can score goals. Can score long shots.
- He‘s chelsea set piece taker, which chelsea had scored good amount of goals from set pieces in 2019-2022.
- He‘s versatile.
Tactically, he’s different to FDJ because FDJ is more a deep-playmaker that plays in double pivot.
Signing Mount means we might see a different system next season because ETH and the scouting team couldn’t find the right player that fits FDJ profile. Instead of playing with 4231 double pivot, ETH might play 433 with one no 6 and two no 8. We see this changing formation in his Ajax team when FDJ left.
The following below is when Ajax had the possession and start their build up play vs Dortmund in 2021/2022 season. You can see that Gravenberch is nowhere near in Ajax build up play phase to progress the ball. It‘s the keeper, two CB, a DM, and the two full backs the ones who got involved in this and if ETH uses this same system then we will rely on those 6 positions to retain possession or recycle the ball. Among these 6 players, Alvarez is the one being assigned to play more simple passes and doesn’t get involved on the ball often (see below stats), this suitable to Casemiro who is not a press resistance so I think we will see a different role in Casemiro next season in comparison to this season.
I think our build up and attacking transition will be something like this:
GK
Varane Martinez
Casemiro
RB —————— Shaw
Antony - Mount - Bruno - Rashford
ST
Bruno and Mount will play in Berghuis and Gravenberch role. Our full backs will cover the half space and sometime swap position with the wingers. So this is where I see Mount might be perfect to play in this set up and system because we will get to utilise his strength to do high press, scoring goals and assists.
I took pictures of these FBref end of last season so this is based on 21/22 season.
Ward-Prowse would be extremely cheap, would instantly improve the legs in our midfield and would score/assist from set-pieces. He's probably good for 10 goals a season in big moments.
Im not a massive fan tbh, but he's objectively a very good player. I just didn't think he was elite yet, but he was definitely very good between 20/21 and 21/22... Which were his age 22 and 23 seasons. In both #8 and #10 positions. Step back this season due to them being a disaster isn't a fair representation. His analytics back it up though. He had excellent defensive stats, works hard, presses effectively, very good crosser, excellent shooting technique, good set piece delivery, very effective passer and runner with the ball even if he isn't quite as smooth as a Frenkie. That doesn't mean he isn't very effective, and his analytics highlight just how effective he was those 2 years. And that's well before his prime. So there's a very good player in there that Ten Hag can mold, and he just turned 24 a few months ago.
Rice is fantastic on the ball though..
I don't doubt your intentions or fault your efforts but without a source or dates ?
He's a manager's dream.
Fan's won't always see the things he does well, but he's one of those players who's tactically versatile. Along with that, he runs, and I think the reason we struggle to dominate games off the ball, is because we sometimes lack that energy. Eriksen gives us quality, Fred gives us energy, but neither of them give us both on a consistent basis. Mason Mount would probably sit in the middle, thus potentially being a target for ten Hag.
Fan's won't always see the things he does well, but he's one of those players who's tactically versatile. Along with that, he runs, and I think the reason we struggle to dominate games off the ball, is because we sometimes lack that energy. Eriksen gives us quality, Fred gives us energy, but neither of them give us both on a consistent basis. Mason Mount would probably sit in the middle, thus potentially being a target for ten Hag.
I doubt he'd be 'extremely' cheap. £30m minimum I would think. I'm not completely sold on Mount but he's a better player outside of set pieces (which he isn't bad at), and 4 years younger.
He does alright in terms of not losing it and carrying it, and easier passes but he doesn't provide creativity at all. You wouldn't want to pair Casemiro with another casemiro, and Rice isn't close to casemiro on the ball with his creative passing. We need a far more attack minded player than him next to Casemiro, they play literally the same role and position.
We don't know if we are actually interested in Mount. So using the interest of our manager or the other managers quoted as being interested in him as evidence to Mount's ability is premature.
I have only really watched him play for England and I don't rate him very highly on those performances.
We will see I guess. It is as likely Chelsea are trying to drum up a bid as it is actual interest.
I have only really watched him play for England and I don't rate him very highly on those performances.
We will see I guess. It is as likely Chelsea are trying to drum up a bid as it is actual interest.
Don't think he has the right mentality. Not a fan.
JWP is shite. Set piece specialist and nothing else. He wouldn't get near the City, Arsenal, Liverpool squads so why would we sign him?
Given the reliability of the journalists reporting our interest, I would say it's significantly less likely.
Having someone with his dribbling ability combined with his defensive work and passing is a great fit for the 8 role, I'm not sure how you can write him off as a partner for Casemiro with his current stats. We have a big problem in midfield against tough opposition and a player with his defensive ability along with his allroundness will be needed.
Don't we have loads of early rumours like this every year that end up coming to nothing.
Can't see this one comong to anything at all.
Can't see this one comong to anything at all.
Yep. Said it last summer, we only signed Antony of the players we were heavily linked with early on.
Great workWhat Mount is good at:
In term of profile, he fits Klopp‘s profile and ETH’s profile to play in the no 8.
- His off ball movement.
- His work rate, good at pressing and ball recoveries.
- He is good at making final third ball/passes (which reflect to his high xA from 2019-2022) (we don’t have enough players to make good amount of xA so he can improve us in this aspect).
- His passing accuracy from 2019-2022 is 85% overall (which reflect to his ability to retain possession)
- He’s a midfielder who also can score goals. Can score long shots.
- He‘s chelsea set piece taker, which chelsea had scored good amount of goals from set pieces in 2019-2022.
- He‘s versatile.
Tactically, he’s different to FDJ because FDJ is more a deep-playmaker that plays in double pivot.
Signing Mount means we might see a different system next season because ETH and the scouting team couldn’t find the right player that fits FDJ profile. Instead of playing with 4231 double pivot, ETH might play 433 with one no 6 and two no 8. We see this changing formation in his Ajax team when FDJ left.
The following below is when Ajax had the possession and start their build up play vs Dortmund in 2021/2022 season. You can see that Gravenberch is nowhere near in Ajax build up play phase to progress the ball. It‘s the keeper, two CB, a DM, and the two full backs the ones who got involved in this and if ETH uses this same system then we will rely on those 6 positions to retain possession or recycle the ball. Among these 6 players, Alvarez is the one being assigned to play more simple passes and doesn’t get involved on the ball often (see below stats), this suitable to Casemiro who is not a press resistance so I think we will see a different role in Casemiro next season in comparison to this season.
I think our build up and attacking transition will be something like this:
GK
Varane Martinez
Casemiro
RB —————— Shaw
Antony - Mount - Bruno - Rashford
ST
Bruno and Mount will play in Berghuis and Gravenberch role. Our full backs will cover the half space and sometime swap position with the wingers. So this is where I see Mount might be perfect to play in this set up and system because we will get to utilise his strength to do high press, scoring goals and assists.
I took pictures of these FBref end of last season so this is based on 21/22 season.
Casemiro/McTominay as the holder
Bruno/Eriksen as the more creative #8
Mount/Rabiot as the more industrious #8
I'd definitely be open to this. In the Neverending thread, I proposed Maddison for one of the #8 slots. But Mount is probably a better option for that position if he's truly available.
Bruno/Eriksen as the more creative #8
Mount/Rabiot as the more industrious #8
I'd definitely be open to this. In the Neverending thread, I proposed Maddison for one of the #8 slots. But Mount is probably a better option for that position if he's truly available.
Is Forbes a good source for transfers?
He's the original article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/liamca...g-the-summer-transfer-window/?sh=5168346232f9
It's from Liam Canning. I can't say he's top tier or not, but at least it gives some context to where the rumour came from.
Cheers mate.
why does everyone keep talking about Rabiot??? he's not coming here as his mom, who happens to be his manager, is a fukng snake and bat shit crazy
Didn’t think our club knew how to sell players
Probably down to offering them 500k a week on average players.Think amount is getting underrated by some on here. I think there was a point a couple of years ago where he was on the verge of being a really top player. He was arguably Chelsea’s best player in their Champion’s League run-in and in the final against City. His ceiling isn’t as high as someone like Pogba, but he’s a much steadier player, very good at pressing, and scores goals (generally against smaller teams).
If he’s replacing McTominay, who is older (I think), then that’s a massive, massive upgrade.
If he’s replacing McTominay, who is older (I think), then that’s a massive, massive upgrade.
Because there's rumors we're linked with him and he's available on a free?
If you don't rate Mount then you sure as hell couldn't have rated Park. I think they're very similar players with Mount having more offensive quality.
Just think of how much SAF loved Park and how much he showed up in big games. It's the same with Mount, the coaches love him for his tactical flexibility and his effectiveness on and off the ball.
He'd be a very good signing but we have to make sure we don't go a penny over £40m or £50m if it includes add ons.
Just think of how much SAF loved Park and how much he showed up in big games. It's the same with Mount, the coaches love him for his tactical flexibility and his effectiveness on and off the ball.
He'd be a very good signing but we have to make sure we don't go a penny over £40m or £50m if it includes add ons.
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