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Licha-Vidic said:
:D. No worries. Arsenal and City have genuine midfielders to start with. Players who can hold on the ball, pass for days without losing the ball

Let's wait and see how the season unfolds with the same midfield plus Mount. People will be still be surprised when we ship goals for fun away from home and getting hammered every once 2 months.
This things have been happening for a long time, even before this season.

And it's a symptom of how we set-up and the kind of midfielders we have. Maguire and Lindelof are not there to be blamed. McFred are not there to be blamed again but still this season we have been outrun in alot of games.

This wont change until we have 3 competent midfielders in the team
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Nothing to do with what I said. All I said it, FBs move centrally and support midfield.
 
Red in STL said:
We don't need a new RB, AWB is just fine, just 1 season under ETH has transformed him, another season and who knows what he can be, a GK can wait, we need another MF and probably another ST first
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I love AWB as a player and Dalot is strong on his day too, I've seen us strongly linked to Frimpong and an RB sale though that's all. I think we need a new GK this summer, but that's another discussion.
 
crossy1686 said:
I'm sure they could in reality. We used to do it regularly under Fergie, albeit they might need some settling in time of up to a season but that's pretty much what Malacia has had to do this year.

We've said it a million times before but we were in for players like Caicedo before he moved to Brighton, we were sniffing around Eriksen when he was at Tottenham, we let Mane and VVD go to Liverpool, the list is never ending over the last 10 years. These players absolutely exist but we go for the easy available option all the time, and most of the time it's not the right option.
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Yeah we’re not very good at taking the right plunges. We have bought a few in the prospect or up and coming category but they haven’t often panned out. VVD was not the sort of player you’re on about, he cost a fortune and was ready made.

There are others who we should have got I’m sure. There is competition for these guys now- much more than in the SAF days. Promising players can go to mid table teams and get regular games guaranteed and get paid north of £50k a week; they purposely do it as a stepping stone, get paid a fortune and then get another lucrative move in a few years. Agents love that as well of course.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
:lol: aw man is there any player that you like? :)
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:lol: Yeah mate, honestly! I'm just not a fan of these 'nothing' players that have popped up in recent years because everyone's technically good and athletic these days. You want the players who play as close the opposition goal to be the game changers, they're your best players, they should play at the top end and cause the opposition all kinds of problems constantly. Due to that you want to get the ball to them quickly and as often as possible so they can do something to win you the game.

It's hard to do that when they can't take on a man, can't cross and can't see a run that's more than 10 yards away. Sancho is a prime example, and you can throw Havertz, Mount, Lingard, Sterling, and Foden in there as well, and while I admit the latter two have done great things at City, they both will struggle in a side that isn't beholden to a system because they need someone else to create space for them, like a fullback or CM that comes short. They always have a passing option on so they can give and go easily to negate the need to be good at anything other than close ball control.

I'd even go as far to say I'd prefer an Antony over another one of these players because he can win you a game. The others need the team to be playing well to play well.
 
This would be a really really underwhelming signing for me. Hoping it falls through and doesn't happen.
 
Igor Drefljak said:
I'm not against the idea of Mount, but I think he'd be brought in as cover in a few positions.

Right now, we don't really have a backup for Bruno, and he can play there. Right now we don't really have a backup for Eriksen, and he can play there.
I actually think it would be a shrewd signing, but not for the 50-60mil being thrown about.

If we moved on VdB, McTominay and Fred, while bringing in Mount and Caicedo for example, I think we have a good midfield, with good rotational options in all three positions.

Bruno - Mount
Caicedo - Mount - Eriksen
Casemiro - Caicedo

That is a huge improvement on what we have now
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Look at the transfer budget and wage budget this transfer would eat into. Eriksen himself is a backup to Bruno. Eriksen is in no way equipped to play in the deep central midfield. Against decent teams he gets caught out and offers nothing, this happened far too many times after his injury. Why would we need another midfielder thats sorta decent enough but wouldn’t actually do the job? That too for the wages quoted.

the only reason some people are okay with this is because of EtH. We have been burned far too many times blindly trusting a manager, why won’t our fan base ever learn? EtH seems like a frog in a well regarding transfers.
 
Club’s player of the season shouldn’t necessarily be a criterion to judge someone’s potential transfer. Sometimes it’s a fan favourite or the most improved player. Also Chelsea didn’t have any superstars in their CL winning season. They still don’t have any despite spending record breaking money. While some players were really good, no one was at prime Hazard, KdB, let alone Haaland level. So someone hard working like Mount who also had a good season was always going to be an option for such an award.

For me Mount while being a better player can be compared to Welbeck. Welbeck when he was at United even at the age of 20/21/22 was perceived as an intelligent, tactically flexible but technically decent/limited player. And he really was intelligent. It’s no surprise that he is still playing for a modern team such as Brighton.
But Welbeck was mostly only back up to Rooney and RvP and a lot of fans still moaned non stop about him despite him being an academy kid on charity wages. At the same time a lot of fans were still sad to see him leave.
Similar applies to Mount. While most Chelsea fans would like him to stay, even they know that he is a limited player. He is just not what we need.
 
Mount obvioudly has qualities that many of us dont see or appreciate. Otherwise Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal wouldnt all be interested.

Klopp has known this entire season he needs to rebuild his midfield, bellingham was out of reach, but they are getting mac allister and mason mount is the other name high on the priority list. You would have to ask why?

I wonder klopp sees the potential to do a "jordan henderson" with mason mount and make him a vital cog of his midfield.

There must be something the scouts and the managers see and really appreciate that we dont on here.
 
redIndianDevil said:
Look at the transfer budget and wage budget this transfer would eat into. Eriksen himself is a backup to Bruno. Eriksen is in no way equipped to play in the deep central midfield. Against decent teams he gets caught out and offers nothing, this happened far too many times after his injury. Why would we need another midfielder thats sorta decent enough but wouldn’t actually do the job? That too for the wages quoted.

the only reason some people are okay with this is because of EtH. We have been burned far too many times blindly trusting a manager, why won’t our fan base ever learn? EtH seems like a frog in a well regarding transfers.
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Eriksen is a back-up for Bruno, what on earth makes you think that?
 
Red in STL said:
I don't really care about the money, if it's the right player for the team and helps us be successful then the money doesn't really matter
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It would be okay with you if we end up playing with Martial as striker next season ? Because that’s what will happen if we spend our transfer budget on players when there are gaping holes in other important positions. If we sign Mount we’d end up not signing a striker or a CM or a GK. All crazily important position we have to fill.
 
Red in STL said:
Eriksen is a back-up for Bruno, what on earth makes you think that?
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That’s where he has played in his career. The fact that he can play in the CM doesn’t mean he is a specialist there. He just about does a job in that position against teams who sit back and give space. Any team that presses or is organised Eriksen has been crap.
 
He is shite and we wont make any progress with players of his ilk. We could get Kovacic for less and hope him and Eriksen will share the 8 role between them.
In any case we should be looking players that will help us control games, not fecking Mount.
 
redIndianDevil said:
It would be okay with you if we end up playing with Martial as striker next season ? Because that’s what will happen if we spend our transfer budget on players when there are gaping holes in other important positions. If we sign Mount we’d end up not signing a striker or a CM or a GK. All crazily important position we have to fill.
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I don't think he's right for us and I said that earlier, for the right player the cost is meaningless to me, right now our biggest need is a striker, if the best option is Kane I don't care if he costs 50 million or 100 million
 
I said this a couple of years ago (after a 0-0 away at Chelsea). Maybe I was on to something.
Leftback99 said:
Good result but every game right now just says to me what this team needs as much as anything is a quality midfield playmaker. Mount was very good in that role for Chelsea.
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bosnian_red said:
Eriksens biggest issues though are physically not being mobile enough to move with the ball (mount can do), and not being energetic enough defensively which Fred provides (mount can do similarly), and not having stamina as he's in the latter parts of his career. Mount is all around a very good improvement to us. Yes we could and should take punts on guys like Kokcu all the same. But Mount himself is a very good player. Hell even just looking at what he can offer from an analytics perspective compared to mids in the 20/21 season for example:
  • 90th percentile progressive passing
  • 96th percentile progressive carries
  • Very solid defensive stats (60th percentile for a non DM is very good)
  • 99th percentile key passes
  • 98th percentile expected assists
  • 87th percentile non pen xG
  • Ok turnover numbers in terms of press resistance
  • Very good set piece delivery
Where he isn't elite is pass completion percentage, and traits like slowing the game down, dictating from that perspective. He'd be another that always likes to speed up play. So he's not perfect and it's something where our te would still have struggles, but would still be a huge improvement.

Given age and the quality of player along with his excellent attitude, it'd be a very good signing. ready to step in and start instantly, which a lot of the scouting punts for cheap aren't capable of doing even if they hit long term. We need help now given the age profile of ours midfielders, not someone for 3 years from now.
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So he is lacking in all the important things we expect of from our central midfielder and you are okay with us spunking 50m on him? Mount was a good complement to other good players around him, we don’t have that luxury. He is not good at protecting the ball as well. He’d just be another “sideways passer who can run around a bit more” that our squad is filled with.
 
redIndianDevil said:
That’s where he has played in his career. The fact that he can play in the CM doesn’t mean he is a specialist there. He just about does a job in that position against teams who sit back and give space. Any team that presses or is organised Eriksen has been crap.
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All that maybe be true but at United he's never been a back-up to Bruno, Bruno plays virtually every minute of every game and always has done at United
 
Red in STL said:
All that maybe be true but at United he's never been a back-up to Bruno, Bruno plays virtually every minute of every game and always has done at United
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My point is if we sign an actual competent central midfielder, Eriksen is going to be a Bruno backup. Or he is going to be a backup to both central midfield and Bruno’s position. Why would we need another player like that? Especially when our transfer budget is constrained.
 
redIndianDevil said:
So he is lacking in all the important things we expect of from our central midfielder and you are okay with us spunking 50m on him? Mount was a good complement to other good players around him, we don’t have that luxury. He is not good at protecting the ball as well. He’d just be another “sideways passer who can run around a bit more” that our squad is filled with.
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He’s 90th% of progressive passers. How is he a sideward passer?
 
Igor Drefljak said:
We're not desperate
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I hope we are not desperate at least this year. But we have been desperate every transfer window before that. If we are smart and not desperate wed agree a deal with Mount and ask him to sit calmly. But I worry we are going to throw 50m to Chelsea and help them.
 
redIndianDevil said:
My point is if we sign an actual competent central midfielder, Eriksen is going to be a Bruno backup. Or he is going to be a backup to both central midfield and Bruno’s position. Why would we need another player like that? Especially when our transfer budget is constrained.
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No he isnt. Players can evolve as their careers progress. Eriksen is a very good CM, who without him on the pitch we struggle to retain possession.

There are other players who can and will fill Brunos role, Sancho, DVB etc.
 
redIndianDevil said:
I hope we are not desperate at least this year. But we have been desperate every transfer window before that. If we are smart and not desperate wed agree a deal with Mount and ask him to sit calmly. But I worry we are going to throw 50m to Chelsea and help them.
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So you mean do illegal things?
 
redIndianDevil said:
Not really. Everyone would be thrilled if we are discussing Rice, Kane or Bellingham. But this is Mason Mount we are discussing.
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I wasn’t a fan of Mount - but if he is really this player that managers love but fans don’t appreciate then I think I’m okay with that.
 
redIndianDevil said:
Not really. Everyone would be thrilled if we are discussing Rice, Kane or Bellingham. But this is Mason Mount we are discussing.
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Any 3 of them would cost over 250m altogether no matter which 3 it is. Which is fine but we also need to think about a RB, GK and maybe another CB.
 
Bebestation said:
He’s 90th% of progressive passers. How is he a sideward passer?
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You have see to in terms of how he’d perform in our team. Chelsea had competent central midfielders, wingbacks. None of our other players create space or move quickly. Someone like Mount will have no options here. We need world class players to improve us. If we had a settled squad across all positions I’ll be happy to add Mount as a valuable squad option. That would make sense. But this is not the window to waste money on decent players. We need to sign 2-3 absolutely world class players. Not waste money on squad options who aren’t going to improve us.
 
If he doesnt want to be at Chelsea and Boehly doesnt fancy him we can lowball them. 35 mil, take it or forget it.
 
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