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Havertz and Kovacic deal should be done by that time.
Walk away from this deal and sign Caicedo while promoting Hannibal and Amad into the first team. Sell DVB, Fred and McT. We should have a better midfield than last year with not a crazy amount of net spend. Then get a good striker and GK with maybe a CB if there is budget left at the end. That would be a huge upgrade on the squad and starting 11 from last year specially if we managed to boot the likes of Maguire in the process.
We spent a pretty decent sum of money on Hannibal and Amad as youth products and this is probably as good a time as any to get them into the squad and make use of that investment ! All of this would actually also help bring down our average squad age with a great mix of youth and experience.
We spent a pretty decent sum of money on Hannibal and Amad as youth products and this is probably as good a time as any to get them into the squad and make use of that investment ! All of this would actually also help bring down our average squad age with a great mix of youth and experience.
He would move on a free otherwise
Neither add as much to FFP as Mount being homegrown and all profit. Any other homegrown players they are selling imminently? I know they can sell RLC, Gallagher, Coliwell....
Even Pep doesn't get every player he wants. If we are moving on, it shows we are finally learning something. The club should have a philosophy and target list and not rely purely on the manager.
Who sets our philosophy?
Chalobah and Maatsen would probably get close to 50 mil combined. Both are strongly rumoured to be on the way out.
The manager. Think what he meant was the club should be scouting players and giving the manager a list of players that suit his philosophy and then he should number them like 1-3 in which player would be his priority and then if we can’t get them go onto the 2nd choice. But each target should have similar attributes. Not like Mount and Caicedo who are 2 completely different players. How does that go with the managers philosophy… although I don’t think there’s anything in the Caicedo rumours, I just think we’re doing it to annoy Chelsea.
But probably not in time for the end of the month?
The DOF should select the players (in and out) and the manager should work with the squad he’s given.
The DOF should be there for years but managers come and go.
At least that’s what I thought a DOF did.
The DOF should be there for years but managers come and go.
At least that’s what I thought a DOF did.
Feck Chelsea
Quality control
Manchester united really are run a bunch of fecking idiots
1. These empty threats
>oh this is our last and final bid
>oh we're gonna walk away
>oh we're gonna sign this other player and that other player
When everybody and his dogs know we are full of shite. It's an embarrassment to the club and more damaging to our image than bidding 5 or 10 million more.
2. People thinking there's a "manchester united tax" and it somehow being unfair that let's say manchester city doesn't get the same treatment
No fecking shit. Manchester city already has the best and most functioning team in the country. If daniel levy try to feck them over this year, they can say feck you we'll buy halland next year, and they know no other team can compete with them for his signature. Meanwhile they will still win the fecking league even without a striker.
Manchester united havent won shit for 10 years (don't tell me about micky mouse cups and piggy pig league). We should expect to overpay if we want to get to the top. You think man city didnt get bend over by every team, player, and agent 15 years ago? Did real madrid haggle over a couple of quid 15 years ago when barcelona was the best team in the world or did they break every spending record there is trying to catch up?
3. Haggling over 5 and 10 millions
You people talk shit about daniel levy putting money over trophies and want him to bend over so we can sign his player for cheap. Meanwhile you want the club to walk away when the difference is 5-10 million. 5 -10 million is nothing if its the difference between winning and not winning the league.
Oh? What? Mason mount isnt going to be the difference between winning and not winning the league? Neither will caicedo and he'll cost 40 million more.
Pay the fecking money and get it over with so we can start pre season on a high.
1. These empty threats
>oh this is our last and final bid
>oh we're gonna walk away
>oh we're gonna sign this other player and that other player
When everybody and his dogs know we are full of shite. It's an embarrassment to the club and more damaging to our image than bidding 5 or 10 million more.
2. People thinking there's a "manchester united tax" and it somehow being unfair that let's say manchester city doesn't get the same treatment
No fecking shit. Manchester city already has the best and most functioning team in the country. If daniel levy try to feck them over this year, they can say feck you we'll buy halland next year, and they know no other team can compete with them for his signature. Meanwhile they will still win the fecking league even without a striker.
Manchester united havent won shit for 10 years (don't tell me about micky mouse cups and piggy pig league). We should expect to overpay if we want to get to the top. You think man city didnt get bend over by every team, player, and agent 15 years ago? Did real madrid haggle over a couple of quid 15 years ago when barcelona was the best team in the world or did they break every spending record there is trying to catch up?
3. Haggling over 5 and 10 millions
You people talk shit about daniel levy putting money over trophies and want him to bend over so we can sign his player for cheap. Meanwhile you want the club to walk away when the difference is 5-10 million. 5 -10 million is nothing if its the difference between winning and not winning the league.
Oh? What? Mason mount isnt going to be the difference between winning and not winning the league? Neither will caicedo and he'll cost 40 million more.
Pay the fecking money and get it over with so we can start pre season on a high.
Why not?
Sounds like the Qatar bid. No wonder why the Glazers are mugging them off. There’s us thinking the Glazers didn’t have a clue what they was doing.
We was looking at it all wrong.
Someone woke up on the wrong side of bed this morning.
Nice rant, thank you? Are you a Gooner in disguise? Or worse still, a Scouse?
Shambles of a post.Thats what I thought too. But for the 2nd summer in a row looks like the manager makes all the decisions on transfers.
Yes over pay here and then the next club want 10 million extra for their player. You have to draw a line somewhere this isnt football manager. United need to be clever with their money and walk away from being fleeced.
Not ideal but probably the best solution.
I was in your boat last year but preferring Pau Torres over Martinez and Pedro Neto over Antony… I feel stupid. Just get the manager his first choices. He’s picked them for a reason. Sometimes the difference is larger than we think.
You can take your 4 post count and move to Bluemoon.
That’s the issue we have. When you bring in different types of managers then they all sign completely different profile of players. The club should stick to the style of play we want to play and then Target managers that play that way and then the previous managers signings will already know the style with a few tweaks. We’ve gone from moyes, to LVG to Mou to Ole who all play different styles so how on earth are each of there signings gonna be able to play under different styles.
Two years ago he was one of those unobtainable players. So I can understand United willing to negotiate with Chelsea than walking away. All it takes is a few months of good performances under Poch and he will be unobtainable again. Anyone who thinks we are so easy to spend money on players should think again. Since Ten Hag arrived, outside of Antony all the fees were justified. We also refused to loan/sign Felix and Savic. So credit where it's due, it's not ideal but I don't think we're spending money recklessly anymore. A few years back we'd agree to sign Mount for 70 mil plus addons. And we'd have Savic in the squad. No doubt in my mind. The fact that we went the cheapskate way with Weghorst and Sabitzer is a sign we're actually more careful when buying players right now.
There's not a vast pool of top managers available for such a system to function. Recruiting a series of "similar minded" managers doesn't happen in any club. Once one manager is fired, there are barely two or three good managers obtainable in the market.
There are some managers hell bent on a certain philosophy of football. These are the non-adaptive, rigid types. But in general, good managers should be able to adapt to the types of players at his disposal and then gradually help the team evolve to reflect his philosophy of playing. This may take a couple of seasons.
What philosophy did City have prior to Pep? Or Liverpool before Klopp? Or for that matter even Chelsea before Tuchel? They were chopping and changing personnel.
By the end of this upcoming season, we should see a significant improvement in the way United play. If not, either the club management isn't helping the manager get "his" players, or Ten Hag isn't good enough.
And the manager should be able to say "No" to certain transfers and "Yes" to the ones that conform to his philosophy. Else, he's no good.
Bayern are welcome to have Mount, he is never getting 250k pounds a week there. He’d be better off taking the low ball contract that Chelsea offered him.
Its a long summer. Stopping at 55m for the time being is fine. Its a good offer, i'd be shocked if they got higher. I'm sure they'll try negotiate a renewal, see if Bayern will bite but I dont think they'll go into the season with his contract as is.
I agree on us being a bit better recently. This just feels a continuation of that.
Just curious, why do you think he'd better off at Chelsea? You don't think Ten Hag would pick him?
Did anyone come back to you yet? I agreed until the part where you said freeing yourselves of his 2 year contract get rid of his remaining transfer cost. The math does make sense as tranfer fee and wages are seperate and both have to be paid. If you are going to included his salary then the total cost of his contract is £152M (£77M plus 5 year salary @ 300k a week).
It happens in Barcelona, Bayern, Dortmund, Inter, Napoli etc. Most of these clubs want good attacking football. They’d never go for someone like Mourinho or Conte. Inter is a different example, they like their defensive solidity.
I’m assuming we’d be out of this transfer. My point is that if Mount only has the option of going to Bayern, he’d be better off at Chelsea. Mount is not leaving to find playing time or anything, he wants more money. I think Chelsea pay a lot more than Bayern.
Fletch?
Imagine we set up in a nominal 4-3-3 that actually turns into a 3-2-5 or 3-1-6 shape in possession, which is what we have been doing under Ten Hag.
In that shape Mount would push high up to operate as part of the 5 or 6 in attack. Meanwhile Casemiro would be the 1 in the middle, becoming 2 when joined by one of the fullbacks tucking in beside him. That attacking role for our #8 is how we've increasingly been using Eriksen/Fred already, with them playing higher alongside Bruno in the second half of the season than they were in the first. So we can take that as the broad plan with Mount as the #8.
If we sign Caicedo instead, we can't continue using the #8 that way as he isn't the attacking player that Mount is so can't be part of that front 5/6 in the same way. So you either have to adjust the shape you take in possession, or adjust other players' roles within that shape so someone else is occupying that place in our attack. In the latter case it can only really be one of the fullbacks, Casemiro or Casemiro/Caicedo sharing the role. And in all those cases our already goal-shy attack is left significantly worse off, as Mount is obviously a much better player attacking player than any of those alternatives, while also a better counter-presser from those attacking positions.
That's the downside to going for Caicedo over Mount. It completely changes the internal dynamics within the team and forces you to find that additional attacking threat from somewhere else. Maybe that's fine by a manager as pragmatic as ETH, maybe it just prompts different signings elsewhere to compensate, maybe it leaves us more stodgy than is ideal, or maybe we're not interested in Caicedo as our Mount alternative at all and it's just part of negotiations. Either way, they're very different players who would be used in very different ways.
Not at all. Bayern pay huge wages. They've got quite a few players on more than 15 mil a year (and some on 20 mil).
Mount for 70m this year or free next year? It's a no brainer isn't it? If clubs like Juventus and Barca are happy to wait for freebies, we can wait too.
There are other positions that need sorting out more urgently.
There are other positions that need sorting out more urgently.
Rashford -Striker- Antony
Bruno
New RB or Dalot
Or
Shaw
That five there brother. We will be fine, also Casemiro breaks the lines quite well and caicedo would allow him more freedom, which I’m happy with.
An attacking RB would be best since Shaw has proven he can be very effective in defense (slotting in centrally for a 3-2 at the back with casemiro and caicedo.
Unless Ten Hag fancies Shaw as cb then a LB would be extemely important.
Either way I think it’s pretty exciting. Weak link there in attack id Antony imo but he could kick on. Traore as an option but also sancho could very well kick on. He already has more goals and assists than Antony as of this season. Good competition between the two.
We don't have anyone else remotely as capable as the manager to do that.
A DOF buying players regardless of whether a manager wants them or not is fecking ridiculous
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