Nothing wrong with bidding £40m as an opening bid.
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So you would have just gone in at 70? Okay then.
We have become Liverpool in the 2000s and early 2010s - signing slightly above average English players and unproductive wide players like Antony and Sancho.
Really wish we had some accountability on transfers like these - whose actual say is to spend so much on Mount? Feels like ever since Ole we've just been signing crap and hoping it sticks. Occasionally we get lucky with Bruno, or Casemiro who we didn't even want in the first place.
Really wish we had some accountability on transfers like these - whose actual say is to spend so much on Mount? Feels like ever since Ole we've just been signing crap and hoping it sticks. Occasionally we get lucky with Bruno, or Casemiro who we didn't even want in the first place.
Yeah I agree with this.
The moaning makes me wish we pay £80m and give in a public blow job as a signing bonus in front of Fergie's statue
Yeah we should be in for the mediocre Tonali instead
If you could bring in Mount and Rabiot for 55-60m combined and get rid of Fred, Mctom and DVB for 40-45m that's a fairly substantial midfield upgrade for not much over all outlay.
Same lad, same.
Mount is 8 or 9 months younger and has achieved much more than Tonali at this point of their respective careers. Think they both are nice young players, but Mount has done better thus far. Both different players tbf.
Love posts like this with no context and just constant moaning
Because moaners has to find another reason to moan about.
Casemiro was the kind of signing that make you believe that God actually does exist and that he's a red manc, albeit a scornful God who has made us suffer over the last 10 years in return for the 20 years of glory we enjoyed under Sir Alex.
I definitely agree that we need cover for Casemiro, but because we have so many needs that this need is one that may have to go unaddressed this summer while we patch up the hole at 8 and the hole at 8 above all else.
Lucky? Really?
We didn't want Casemiro? Even though reports suggest contact was made months before the end of the season?
Luck with Bruno, the most sought after AM in Europe at the time?
Eriksen? Martinez? Malacia? Yes, even Antony?
Mount probably fits into ETH system better than most people understand, which is why we're pursuing him. We're not scrambling around for midfielders last minute in August, we're actively negotiating with a team at the beginning of the transfer window to bring a player in that wants to join us and the manager has probably identified as being a good fit for his system.
It makes me laugh how folk think they have a detailed understanding of the inner workings of our negotiating team based off some tweets.
Some people are just never happy and like to have a moan.
He's definitely a floater.
This saga just goes to show that we fans have no clue. We all thought a top striker would be our priority this summer, but in fact, Mason Mount is our priority and the only player we seem to be actively pursuing!
Casemiro was backup choice to FDJ. Eriksen and Malacia were low money, I'm talking when we actually spend.
By lucky with Bruno I meant under Ole we signed some crap like Maguire, Sancho etc
You know, I did wonder what promises were made to Garnacho during contract negotiations in terms of playing time. Couple that with us renewing Rashford on mega wages, they both play in the same position. It's not outrageous to think Rashford will be a full-time striker, and Garnacho transitioned into more of a starter, fighting it out with Sancho.
We should bump the incentives a bit but that should be about it. I think the main part of the bid is sufficient.
"Priority" isn't the same as "gets done first".
Absolutely right.
Mason Mount is a v good player. I'm quite surprised so many have reservations. He'll add dimension, capacity and quality to our squad.
Chelsea spent how much on that Enzo Fernández! That's silly money. Declan Rice valued at £120m?
I'm not sure I agree. ETH and the coaching team know that we need players. I have no doubt about that.
Chelsea's player of the season twice during 2 seasons they got the top 4 and 1 of which they won the champions league where Mount made the goal.
You really do need to give your head a wobble.
We're fecked if that's the plan.
McTom and Fred alone should be generating £50m in today's market. Although I agree that it's an upgrade, we're still miles behind City with those two. I'd still feel we'd need a top deep lying playmaker type player too.
Lies, I called that on this very message board back in 2014.
It's not a great plan but I'm fine with that plan if we can get a forward in during the winter break. That means we really need to nail the GK, CM signings - no more papering over the cracks during build-up.
I'd also like to have atleast a mediocre signing that offers a different skillset from Martial / Rashford. Sort of what we hoped WW would be in theory - can lead the line, perform link up, occupy the CBs etc.
2016/2017 Chelsea Academy Player of the season (best youth side in the world that season)
2017/2018 Vitesse player of the season and was in the Dutch team of the season.
2020/2021 Chelsea Player of the season
2021/2022 Chelsea Player of the season
For someone who is wank the people who actually watch him regularly seem to vote him as the best player at their club wherever he goes constantly. Weird.
We're going to be miles behind regardless of who we sign. There just aren't many world class midfielders available. We can talk about de Jong all we want, but he doesn't want to come here.
You could argue signing Caicedo instead of Mount would make us more defensively solid, but that means we only have Bruno to create, and let's be real, he doesn't exactly turn up in big games. Even if he did, marking him out of the game wouldn't be too difficult as he struggles when being pressed.
They should be but it's United and we are awful at selling players. I think 10-15m for Fred and DVB and 20-25 for McTominay you would have to be happy.
I agree with others we are miles behind City but it's about taking small steps, a midfield bunch of Casemiro, Bruno, Mount, Rabiot and Eriksen would be better than anybody bar City at the moment. If we have a limited budget thanks to the scum owning us then we need to be sensible.
The signing of the first player being a midfielder doesn't necessarily mean that a striker is not our priority this summer.
Signing a top striker is hard business. Van Nistelrooy wasn't signed quickly, nor was Berbatov. I don't recall there being a saga with the Rooney signing so might have been a quick signing but I doubt it was an quick and easy buy.
Mason Mount is relatively low-hanging fruit as Chelsea need to sell players. Harry Kane, on the other hand, will not be easily pried loose from the malignant hands of Daniel Levy, who stretches out taking a shit as long as humanly possibly if there was an extra pound of profit to be gained from the delay.
City appear to have signed Kovacic in the blink of an eye for £30 million yet we’re into one of our annual summer sagas about to make a third bid for Mount likely at £60 million plus. Where will he play, who will he replace, will the system change? I don’t know the answers but I’m sick of the time it takes us to sign players once it becomes public.
Newcastle ended up forcing our hand there I think, they had the first bid in that was rejected.
Man, our standards have really fallen. Starting next season with Rashford as our main striker and being flanked by Antony and Sancho is a guarantee of goal droughts all through the season. Rashford had a really nice purple patch but he's not good in a CF role and is absolutely not the answer.
Important to note he did this whilst barely playing in the first half of the season, then won his spot in the team and never looked back. In his first season of professional football. He obviously left a good impression on ten Hag.
Broader point but regarding the idea that we'd still be miles behind City, well yes. Aside from cheating, they got to where they are by building across many, many years to suit the style of play of a brilliant manager who they were planning for even before he arrived. It would equally be many, many years before we have the level of depth and quality to actually be on par with them, even if we do everything right.
But you can still be very successful well before hitting that point. During the "peak" of Klopp's Liverpool they still had nowhere near the depth of quality City did, a far more workman like selection of midfielders (Wijnaldum, Henderson, Can, Milner, Fabinho, Keita, etc.) and were obviously far less dominant across multiple seasons.
But that was still enough for them to win the PL, win the CL and to narrowly miss out on winning both a second time, because they were still built to be a high functioning team. I'd happily sign up to that sort of inferiority to City over the next four years.
Point being we should be less concerned with how players we sign match up to City man to man and more concerned with how well they help us become that sort of high-functioning team in our own right.
But you can still be very successful well before hitting that point. During the "peak" of Klopp's Liverpool they still had nowhere near the depth of quality City did, a far more workman like selection of midfielders (Wijnaldum, Henderson, Can, Milner, Fabinho, Keita, etc.) and were obviously far less dominant across multiple seasons.
But that was still enough for them to win the PL, win the CL and to narrowly miss out on winning both a second time, because they were still built to be a high functioning team. I'd happily sign up to that sort of inferiority to City over the next four years.
Point being we should be less concerned with how players we sign match up to City man to man and more concerned with how well they help us become that sort of high-functioning team in our own right.
I don’t need to, the club paying 60m will.
Are you paid by United? It’s impressive how much you go to bat for our management on every issue. They need to hire you for PR
No, but you set a hard cap on a player and then move on. We basically are paying Chelsea’s asking price because they know we are desperate, even though in reality if United wanted we’d hold the leverage. Chelsea has to sell. Mount has told them he’s done. But with the way we operate and have shown in the past, clubs know they can just tell our “bids” no and we’ll just keep increasing.
Happens in pretty much every transfer saga we get into.
Newcastle might be able to Argue that and I doubt they are done this window.
That being said deals like Mount I wish we let the last bid linger, no one else is in for him and Chelsea needs to sell to continue their spending streak. I know an improved bid is coming, maybe that’ll seal the deal but we have to be a little tougher imo. No idea how other clubs get it done so quickly.
A treble winning cheating team bought a player in the blink of an eye, not really something we should be comparing our transfers to. But agreed we have to be more direct
How have you come to the conclusion we're paying Chelsea's asking price when a) we don't yet know what we're paying, b) the reports you're responding to make clear that Chelsea have stepped down from their initial asking price even as we've increased from our initial bid and c) based on those reports we're currently on track to compromise at approximately the £55m price point Ornstein was reporting we hoped to compromise at three weeks ago?
The constant needless negativity and criticism of the club really is something. Even when negotiations appear to be completely in line with the club's plans we still have people criticising their approach to negotiations.
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