and its precisely this reason why we should walk away from this deal. nobody is giving them 50 mill for mount. Think they over played thier hand and we should move on to other targets. We need to be known as stingy fecks in the transfer market.
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and its precisely this reason why we should walk away from this deal. nobody is giving them 50 mill for mount. Think they over played thier hand and we should move on to other targets. We need to be known as stingy fecks in the transfer market.
Then our manager doesn’t get his target and we go for who?
To be fair I’m struggling to think who we overpaid for in our starting 11 bar Antony. We even walked away from Sancho for a year
maybe the manager and the scouting team should use more of their imagination when picking targets over the summer. Putting all eggs into the mount basket is pricesely how you get your pants pulled down with price. Managers dont get their targets all the time its nothing new. Obviously 60 plus add ons for Mason fecking Mount is just taking the piss. So yes the manager doesn't get his target on to his next one.
We will end up giving them the £60m they want. Seems a huge difference between that and £50m in terms of value given the contract situation.
I think we payed too much for casemiro. Hes a wonderful player but i think 70 million was exorbitant.
Seconded.
Yep. No idea why ETH isn’t pushing for caicedo. I guess he wants creativity in the 6/8 role, which Mount is undeniably better at. Set prices a factor too. Eriksen with legs seems an oversimplification but I can see why it has been mentioned.
Honestly i thought 50 million was silly money. According to reports we have to be very strict with our spending due to financial rules. So there's no "pay whatever ,its not my money scenario like most years" 10 million more here can cost us in other areas we need
Don’t be a walking contradiction. If this was a player you personally liked. You wouldn’t talk this way.
Manchester United don’t buy the players ChaddyP likes.
Because he has never proven himself in the Eredivisie.
I didn’t say that.
In terms of what’s available to spend, maybe we should have a look at Chelsea actually, recouping 150m for players who don’t want to be there/they don’t want. We meanwhile might end up keeping Maguire and McT. Tell them they are done and need to find a new club.
Hahah almost added that at the end.
I'm not overly excited by the thought of signing Mount, but as he's clearly a key target then I'm hoping we can get the deal done and move on to other key positions like #9 and GK.
£50-60m would probably be a decent fee to pay for a 24 year old England international - especially given the 'English Tax' and 'Man United' tax. I was hoping we'd get him a bit cheaper than that with him only having one year left on his deal, but if the club agree a fee that they think is still within budget then I'm happy for us to land our key target and move on to address the other areas.
And if we can also get Rabiot for free as well, then I'd definitely be happy enough with the midfield options going into next season.
£50-60m would probably be a decent fee to pay for a 24 year old England international - especially given the 'English Tax' and 'Man United' tax. I was hoping we'd get him a bit cheaper than that with him only having one year left on his deal, but if the club agree a fee that they think is still within budget then I'm happy for us to land our key target and move on to address the other areas.
And if we can also get Rabiot for free as well, then I'd definitely be happy enough with the midfield options going into next season.
I’d simply offer Chelsea a final £55 million bid with £45 million guaranteed and £10 million in add ons then leave it on the table for them, if they don’t accept we move on quickly to Rice or Caicedo and go in for Mount in January so we show clubs we won’t be taken the piss out of continuously over fees.
Not true. 4-3-3 made the odd appearance (usually in big away games) but generally speaking he stuck with 4-2-3-1.
He preffered Oscar due to his superior work rate.
Am I missing something with Mount? Yeah season before last he scored a good few goals, he gets into decent positions and has a good shot on him. But I've never really seen him play make? He can probably do it occasionally but he doesn't do it regularly.
So what exactly are we paying £60m for? Young, English, hard working.. these are things you pay £5m each for. He's a £30m player for me, £40m at a stretch for for the aforemorented extras, but we're getting fleeced much like we did with Antony and Sancho both of whom after watching I could see had big limitations.
The years change but our transfer people don't get any better it seems.
So what exactly are we paying £60m for? Young, English, hard working.. these are things you pay £5m each for. He's a £30m player for me, £40m at a stretch for for the aforemorented extras, but we're getting fleeced much like we did with Antony and Sancho both of whom after watching I could see had big limitations.
The years change but our transfer people don't get any better it seems.
we land Mount that gives us a great chance of landing his mate Rice....IF we have any money leftover
Yea we don't need Mason Mount and he isn't exceptional either, far from it. Waste of money, again.
Who knew that as the season was ending he'd be Eth number 1 transfer target
Dropping from 70 to 65 is them being flexible?
50 plus add ons is more than fair. He’s got one year left and Chelsea need two changing rooms as it is. Just take the money Todd ffs.
how am i a walking contradiction ? If it was a player i liked and thought it was worth the money i wouldnt complain. im allowed to complain and have a reasonable debate about the situation with other fans of the club am i not? By the way i think mount is a good player. we are just being dildoed by chelsea. we agreed a fee for FDJ for far less than 60 million plus add ons (which is what is reported that chelsea are asking) . Manchester united should buy the players that the manager wants within the constraints of the budget and the needs of teh entire squad.Don’t be a walking contradiction. If this was a player you personally liked. You wouldn’t talk this way.
Manchester United don’t buy the players ChaddyP likes.
It'll end up at £50m plus £10m add ons.
i didnt accuse you of saying that. I was just using that as a refrence for where we as muppets used to be in the past. And i totally agree that we should be looking to offload our sellable assets to help with the budget but so far that isnt looking so promising either
The add ons better be things like winning the champions league or miss world.
I think he comes in and Fred goes out, probably to Fulham. Younger, better on the ball and ETH will have a replacement work horse.
From this view I think it's worth doing, just his first touch and goals will improve the team even if he is a boring transfer move.
From this view I think it's worth doing, just his first touch and goals will improve the team even if he is a boring transfer move.
Whoever is next on our list. Like every other sensible club operates.
I mean its like the poster thinks its some generational talent we are trying to nab up at all cost.
I’m surprised Todd Boehly hasn’t made a bid for him and tried to gazump us!
The summer deals are clearly happening, the difference is, I don't think it's as much as fans would want to anticipate.
I think we are clearly getting at least a striker and a midfielder from both reports and bids. My suspicion is that we are also in for Rabiot and may sign a goalkeeper to replace De Gea - depending on funds we receive from sales. I don't think we are getting a centre back unless something drastic happens, but I don't think it's necessary for now. Varane and Martinez are first choice; Shaw and Lindelof have also proven to be able to deputise. Delaying this until January won't be the worst move. Additionally, from the lack of reports, I don't think we are getting a right back. Dalot's extension, the lack of discussion on AWB and the lack of names being thrown around suggests this won't be happening. My suspicion is that he believes he can train them into what he would like them to become, I think from last season we can see that both can become good right backs for this team if given time to fully adapt despite their weaknesses. Both are young and offer skills in which a lot of their peers do not have. On the flanks, I think we will be bringing back a number of players to compete with Antony ( one which will not be named and Amad), so I think preseason will be very telling in that regard. The major focus will be on a striker and I think due to the size of the potential outlay, its quite clear we are weighing several options and costs. Fans wouldn't like it, but we need to be careful in the market for this role. We don't want a Morata/Lukaku summer. I favor both Goncalo Ramos and Kolo Muani for different purposes, but ETH will have a clear idea of what he wants.
The Mason Mount deal is happening. Some fans may not like it, but its clear the one we are pushing early. He's not coming to be a deep lying playmaker like Eriksen has been, I think he's actually coming to be more of a mezzala, where his pressing, energy and interplay push our team higher up the pitch. Even after a season, I think people are still mistaken on ETH's style. He's not Pep, he has more in common with Klopp. He positions his players like Pep, but the style is more similar with Klopp. Good pressing in midfield leading to quick attacks, with interplay coming from the flanks to create overloads. Gravenbach wasn't as defensive at Ajax as people like to think, he wasn't really a box to box midfielder, but rather a mezzala who liked to interplay with the flanks when attacking. I think Mount fits that description.
I think Mount is also coming in to be an option for us both in midfield and on the flanks. I don't think fans truly appreciate the reason why City have been able to dominate as they have. It's not just quality in depth, but the versatility of the talent they have. Bernardo Silva, Gundogan, Alvarez, Stones and Ake have been able to play a multitude of positions for City, this has allowed them to keep a relatively strong side despite having injuries at certain points. In comparison, United had to use Bruno ( our most impactful player) to cover a number of positions. I don't think ETH wants to do that this season. Eriksen is still in the side, so in games where less energy is needed or we have a lack of wing options, I can see Mount taking up a place on the flanks. The deal helps Bruno both in terms of depth and relieving him of the sole creative burden as Mount is one of the most involved players in attacking situations in the league. Casemiro gets some legs around him, either with Bruno ( who has been deeper for Portugal) or Mount. Whilst Antony and Rashford can be supported more from midfield without relying on combinations with AWB, Dalot or Shaw.
I think we are clearly getting at least a striker and a midfielder from both reports and bids. My suspicion is that we are also in for Rabiot and may sign a goalkeeper to replace De Gea - depending on funds we receive from sales. I don't think we are getting a centre back unless something drastic happens, but I don't think it's necessary for now. Varane and Martinez are first choice; Shaw and Lindelof have also proven to be able to deputise. Delaying this until January won't be the worst move. Additionally, from the lack of reports, I don't think we are getting a right back. Dalot's extension, the lack of discussion on AWB and the lack of names being thrown around suggests this won't be happening. My suspicion is that he believes he can train them into what he would like them to become, I think from last season we can see that both can become good right backs for this team if given time to fully adapt despite their weaknesses. Both are young and offer skills in which a lot of their peers do not have. On the flanks, I think we will be bringing back a number of players to compete with Antony ( one which will not be named and Amad), so I think preseason will be very telling in that regard. The major focus will be on a striker and I think due to the size of the potential outlay, its quite clear we are weighing several options and costs. Fans wouldn't like it, but we need to be careful in the market for this role. We don't want a Morata/Lukaku summer. I favor both Goncalo Ramos and Kolo Muani for different purposes, but ETH will have a clear idea of what he wants.
The Mason Mount deal is happening. Some fans may not like it, but its clear the one we are pushing early. He's not coming to be a deep lying playmaker like Eriksen has been, I think he's actually coming to be more of a mezzala, where his pressing, energy and interplay push our team higher up the pitch. Even after a season, I think people are still mistaken on ETH's style. He's not Pep, he has more in common with Klopp. He positions his players like Pep, but the style is more similar with Klopp. Good pressing in midfield leading to quick attacks, with interplay coming from the flanks to create overloads. Gravenbach wasn't as defensive at Ajax as people like to think, he wasn't really a box to box midfielder, but rather a mezzala who liked to interplay with the flanks when attacking. I think Mount fits that description.
I think Mount is also coming in to be an option for us both in midfield and on the flanks. I don't think fans truly appreciate the reason why City have been able to dominate as they have. It's not just quality in depth, but the versatility of the talent they have. Bernardo Silva, Gundogan, Alvarez, Stones and Ake have been able to play a multitude of positions for City, this has allowed them to keep a relatively strong side despite having injuries at certain points. In comparison, United had to use Bruno ( our most impactful player) to cover a number of positions. I don't think ETH wants to do that this season. Eriksen is still in the side, so in games where less energy is needed or we have a lack of wing options, I can see Mount taking up a place on the flanks. The deal helps Bruno both in terms of depth and relieving him of the sole creative burden as Mount is one of the most involved players in attacking situations in the league. Casemiro gets some legs around him, either with Bruno ( who has been deeper for Portugal) or Mount. Whilst Antony and Rashford can be supported more from midfield without relying on combinations with AWB, Dalot or Shaw.
Feels like we have the same summer every summer
100%
He does look average on the ball too much, but 60M for a 24 year old England regular is a pretty safe move, and obviously Ten Hag must like his running. Barring a weird Dele Alli style decline, can probably sell him for most of that fee in 3-4 years even if he ends up as say our 4th or 5th midfielder.
It's not the guy I would sign, but I don't think the money is a huge problem unless his wages are insane, though I fear they will be.
I honestly think we're playing it smart trying to not overpay for Mount in this situation though, instead of bowing down to Chelsea's demands. We're obviously being held back by the Glazers again so all things considered if we can get an offer accepted for Mount by the end of the week that's quicker than last summer at least
We're muppets if we sign him for 60 mill. But looking at the past we'll probably end up paying 70 for him.
Yup and 225k/week for 5+1 years
Yeah they are taking the right piss with £60m,find it hard to believe we can't get someone cheaper
The w*** a*** count has really risen in the last few hours.
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