Mostly agree, but someway somehow he's the record goalscorer so that counts for something.
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Yeah, the goals are everything at that level. Lineker would sometimes be anonymous and almost entirely ineffective for 89 minutes of a game and still score the goal that no-one else would / could…
Kane does miles more than Lineker ever did but I’m not sure he gets as many crucial goals in tight games. Maybe I’m being harsh.
Happy to trust ETH on Mount even if I haven't seen it myself. Of all the deals we've been linked to this summer this actually looks the most doable.
Saying what a footballer is "worth" now is a fool's errand. If it's a specific player, you need to pay enough for the other team to sell. Contract situation doesn't even matter anymore (eg Hazard going for £150m with one year left).
£60m for someone who is being bought to improve the first XI (trusting ETH), has a PL track record and is a good age is not crazy. Worst case Lampard will always buy him for silly money if he flops.
Saying what a footballer is "worth" now is a fool's errand. If it's a specific player, you need to pay enough for the other team to sell. Contract situation doesn't even matter anymore (eg Hazard going for £150m with one year left).
£60m for someone who is being bought to improve the first XI (trusting ETH), has a PL track record and is a good age is not crazy. Worst case Lampard will always buy him for silly money if he flops.
I have not been dismissive of it. I've asked for evidence. If I were dismissive, surely I'd not ask for that?
I already provided other evidence which suggested some sort of correlation between sponsorship and average transfers, if I remember correctly. I believe this addresses your point about this problem allegedly only affecting "average" players.
Relying solely on "the eye test" and saying "I don't need stats" is also not reflective of the modern game. Most competitive teams are using data analytics to help inform their opinions. I have always found it bizarre when a wide range of tools are available to use simultaneously (including stats) and there will instead be a dogged determinedness to only use one of those tools.
He's got a year left on his deal ffs
Spending such a large chunk of our Summer budget in this way would be criminal. He’s not the player who’ll fix our midfield but we won’t be able to afford one who can if we spend 60£ on Mount.
We are getting Rabiot for free.
I cannot believe we are anywhere near this deal. Let me take over football matters immediately.
Hopefully with add ons. If yes, that's what I expected. If anyone was expecting a home grown English player for less than that then you are living in a dreamland.
We played similar money for Bruno 4 years back. Last year or not, we are getting an younger player with lot of experience in the league from a rival.
I'm wary about 'wisdom of crowds' theory in general, but I genuinely think, through sample reading and comparing it with our transfer strategy the last 10 years, that pooled knowledge of the Caf would be more efficacious in terms of pursuing transfer targets, as well as selling players, than our current set-up.
No his record against actual good sides is pretty terrible which is more what I was alluding too. He's racked up the goals against Macedonia and the like though for England. Also has a ton of penalties.
Point being he's pretty mediocre/okay for England which is just weird considering how much of a game changer he is for Spurs.
Why should that mean it's a good price? Because he's played in the league and is at Chelsea?
Crazy price if true.
I think hes got the potential to be a very useful player for us. But surely, Chelsea at the moment must be the easiest team to negotiate with - Especially considering he only has a year left!
If we can't get the best of a club desperate to sell multiple players, when negotiating for a guy with a year left who apparently has his heart set on a move here, I give up.
I think hes got the potential to be a very useful player for us. But surely, Chelsea at the moment must be the easiest team to negotiate with - Especially considering he only has a year left!
If we can't get the best of a club desperate to sell multiple players, when negotiating for a guy with a year left who apparently has his heart set on a move here, I give up.
One year left on contract or not, 60m is probably about right. West Ham are asking 120m for Rice.
Half our budget on this is madness. Cannot believe it.
45 + 15 in add-ons, stop being twats Chelsea!
If we are getting Mount it is to play him next to Casemiro and Bruno, so pretty much believing he is actually going to fix our midfield. I doubt we are spending £60m on him to be a bench option.
Can't wait for a summer of Mount, Pickford, Disasi, and Hojlund!
With an aging Casemiro teams will walk through that midfield - just like this season. And I doubt Mount will be a big improvement on Eriksen when it comes to dictating play.
He's going to be worse actually but more dynamic in his pressing and mobility. But we might be playing pin ball in possession against teams like Arsenal unless we replace De Gea. If De Gea is in goal that midfield will be comically bad
Casemiro is 31, he’s not ancient, and we are definitely not replacing him this Summer. Mount will be our only midfield signing.
£60m for a player in the last year of his contract... That is absolute crazy
I just don’t believe that we are thinking about a Casemiro - Mount - Bruno combination, save for maybe home to some of the weaker teams. We’ve seen our midfield get dominated regularly this season away from home and that won’t improve with that combination.
Maybe ETH is thinking of moving Bruno fairly permanently to RW or maybe Mount at LW with Rashford at CF. Something like:
Casemiro - Fred
Bruno - Mount - Rashford
New CF
OR
Casemiro - Eriksen
Antony - Bruno - Mount
Rashford
Maybe ETH is thinking of moving Bruno fairly permanently to RW or maybe Mount at LW with Rashford at CF. Something like:
Casemiro - Fred
Bruno - Mount - Rashford
New CF
OR
Casemiro - Eriksen
Antony - Bruno - Mount
Rashford
60 mil for Mount with a year left sounds absurd honestly.
Rising up to 60m with add-ons is hopefully the case.
Rising up to 60m with add-ons is hopefully the case.
He'll have Bruno and Mount as roaming #8s and with a new GK hopefully, we'll probably push our defensive line higher up.
It's the system he used at Ajax and we already had games towards the 2nd half of the season where Fred was higher up the pitch almost alongside Bruno.
He might not be ancient but he hasn’t got the legs to shield the defence on his own. IMO Rice would have been the perfect partner for him. If not him, then Caicedo.
If we're buying Mount to play as a #8 (as every report on this story seems clear we are) then dictating play isn't the primary function we're looking for from that position anyway.
What is happening with that? This is a deal that should already be done, we've not heard anything for weeks.
Probably be announced once his contract expires at the end of this month. Like with Eriksen.
I never said its a good price.
Did Modric and Kroos not dictate play when they played alongside Casemiro?
People are way too obsessed with 433 vs 4231. Whatever formation we're playing, for me the 3rd midfielder playing alongside Case/Bruno should be a player who touches the ball a lot and makes a lot of passes, can collect the ball and dictate play from deep, can make up for Bruno's lack of physicality and defensive discipline.
There would usually be strong stories in the media that this is a formality though if it was already done. There's nothing stopping anyone from announcing that he'll be signing for us either, the club season is over.
I’m just a guy with an opinion.
He’s free and what ETH requested last summer when FDJ was off the cards.
We shall see if it happens.
For you, sure. It would probably be my preferred set up too. But that's far from the only way to set-up.
Every reliable report on this transfer has been clear that Mount is being signed as a #8. And that makes perfect sense if you accept that the intended set-up is (as @Eddy_JukeZ notes above) akin to the one ETH previously used at Ajax and has already used with us via players like Fred/Sabitzer pushing extremely high alongside Bruno as part of the five in a 3-2-5 shape.
There's no more mystery to it than that, bar how we intend to use the back four to support the midfield, which does need to happen if both your #8s/#10s are predominantly playing in those more advanced positions.
60m for what appears to be ETH first choice to start fixing our midfield. Who are we finding for cheaper?
Why is this thread going batshit over a tweet from Chris Wheeler?
I interpreted you referencing that it's a similar price to Bruno and that Mount is younger "with experience" as reasoning for why people should be satisfied with the price
If this is the only midfielder we sign this Summer we are fecked.
Shaw can come into midfield, he does thst well. We have also seen Shaw or Malacia push up high like one of the two attacking mids.
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