[Drizzle]

Another one-touch player who thrives on systems and movement around him, but who will look lost when the team lack patterns and intensity. He doesn't have the skillset to calm the game down and influence it in other ways. Other recent examples include Donny and Sancho.

I like him, essentially an upgraded Donny, but he's not going to work right now in our current woes. I would move him to the right where he can at least provide movement and pressing and linkup with Dalot and inside to Bruno. I wish he'd use his long ball delivery a bit more. He looks drained of confidence and is playing too safe.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Thought he was quite a quick nimble footed player when he played for Chelsea but he looks so heavy and cumbersome with his touch here.

He's looking abit pointless out there, if I'm being honest.

 

[dinostar77]

These are the same excuses you lot were making for Van de Beek in his first season. I can't believe Murtough thought that went well, lets do it again for 70M. Spurs are laughing all the way getting Maddison, a far better player for less.

Maddison would have to play in Bruno's role and hes not going to be dropped is he? Even if he stinks up the place.

 

[Orange Tree]

Neat little player but rarely influence the game. An upgraded Donny rather than Eriksen.

Should be playing on the wing or replace Bruno.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Running around and making quick short passes. It is like watching Lingard.

 

[Yagami]

Another one-touch player who thrives on systems and movement around him, but who will look lost when the team lack patterns and intensity. He doesn't have the skillset to calm the game down and influence it in other ways. Other recent examples include Donny and Sancho.

I like him, essentially an upgraded Donny, but he's not going to work right now in our current woes. I would move him to the right where he can at least provide movement and pressing and linkup with Dalot and inside to Bruno. I wish he'd use his long ball delivery a bit more. He looks drained of confidence and is playing too safe.

You could go on. You're right about the Donny and Sancho comparisons, but you could say Kagawa, Mata, Mkhitaryan, Lingard, Eriksen, too.

This club loves a lightweight 10 who can't keep the ball under pressure or dribble.

 

[OrcaFat]

What did he actually do?

If his performance today is the standard for doing well now its no wonder we look so shite. What single positive contribution did he make other than not fecking anything up by virtue of not trying to do anything in the first place?

Well we all know he didn’t score or assist because we got Nil on the scoreboard so you can put an X in those boxes.

But if you’re interested in looking at the game and his performance through a wider lens, it wasn’t bad. He did well off the ball and contributed to our high possession. He got into some good attacking positions and had a generally positive influence. He got a header on goal. He did more than most yesterday.

We lost, I get it. It’s a shit feeling. But Mount was not some stone around our necks, he did okay.

He’s not going to become a player he never was. His profile is not exciting and it’s why people wanted Grealish ahead of him in the England team, for example. He is what he is - a clever, hardworking team player with great stamina and solid technique. He will be productive as the season goes on but, either way, he helps the team and system function. I’ve seen your posts before, you are a connoisseur; I think you know that he has qualities that go under the radar a bit. Everything and everybody looks worse after a shitty home defeat but we don’t need to slam guys who actually pulled their weight.

Having said all that, the general lack of quality in attacking areas was poor. We have a lot of guys struggling for form and it might be true that some of them will need to be replaced. Mount is not in that category imo. Accepting a goalless and assistless performance from Mount is not to say that we should accept the same from everybody.

The front three need to start producing. We have good numbers for high turnovers but poor numbers for converting those into goals. Imo this is not Mount’s fault.

 

[redIndianDevil]

Well we all know he didn’t score or assist because we got Nil on the scoreboard so you can put an X in those boxes.

But if you’re interested in looking at the game and his performance through a wider lens, it wasn’t bad. He did well off the ball and contributed to our high possession. He got into some good attacking positions and had a generally positive influence. He got a header on goal. He did more than most yesterday.

We lost, I get it. It’s a shit feeling. But Mount was not some stone around our necks, he did okay.

He’s not going to become a player he never was. His profile is not exciting and it’s why people wanted Grealish ahead of him in the England team, for example. He is what he is - a clever, hardworking team player with great stamina and solid technique. He will be productive as the season goes on but, either way, he helps the team and system function. I’ve seen your posts before, you are a connoisseur; I think you know that he has qualities that go under the radar a bit. Everything and everybody looks worse after a shitty home defeat but we don’t need to slam guys who actually pulled their weight.

Having said all that, the general lack of quality in attacking areas was poor. We have a lot of guys struggling for form and it might be true that some of them will need to be replaced. Mount is not in that category imo. Accepting a goalless and assistless performance from Mount is not to say that we should accept the same from everybody.

The front three need to start producing. We have good numbers for high turnovers but poor numbers for converting those into goals. Imo this is not Mount’s fault.

All that Mount did could have been done by Hannibal or Fred. Why did we have to waste so much money and effort in the transfer window to get a player who doesn’t influence anything?

The likes of Casemiro and Bruno for all their mistakes make some really intelligent passes.

 

[OrcaFat]

All that Mount did could have been done by Hannibal or Fred. Why did we have to waste so much money and effort in the transfer window to get a player who doesn’t influence anything?

The likes of Casemiro and Bruno for all their mistakes make some really intelligent passes.

You are not far wrong here. Mount is much cleverer than Fred. They would look like they were doing the same job but Mount is doing the same amount of running yet closing down space better than Fred. Mount is also a bit better on the ball and Fred is quite a bit older. Mount is an upgrade on Fred doing the same job but slightly better.

Hannibal looks like he could compete very effectively with Mount for that same position. This is a good thing. We need competition for places.

Bruno and Casemiro are fundamentally better players than Mount, yes.

 

[mustaine]

I thought he was better than most yesterday. He was actually moving and trying to get the ball/create spaces instead of just standing and waiting around. He’s good on the ball and has the quaility to provide a killer pass. He should be played on the right or through the middle though.

 

[Redderp]

He goes in and out of games. He is completely invisible for 20 minutes and you forget he is on the pitch. Then suddenly he is involved again and looks like the best player on the pitch for 10 minutes and then back to being invisible. He is another CAM that is wasted playing in CM. Him and Bruno will probably never be able to work well on the pitch, they play the exact same role and have the same strengths and weaknesses…

 

[Leethal]

You are not far wrong here. Mount is much cleverer than Fred. They would look like they were doing the same job but Mount is doing the same amount of running yet closing down space better than Fred. Mount is also a bit better on the ball and Fred is quite a bit older. Mount is an upgrade on Fred doing the same job but slightly better.

Hannibal looks like he could compete very effectively with Mount for that same position. This is a good thing. We need competition for places.

Bruno and Casemiro are fundamentally better players than Mount, yes.

Competition is good; when your first XI is of an acceptable standard. Spending 55m on a player to compete with others is a waste, and money we do not have. We need to address the first XI. Mount is not doing that.

 

[zaafi]

Predictably, you've got the likes of @Leethal, @Giggsyking and @redIndianDevil pre-writing their posts and jerking each other off in celebration as he didn't score or assist a goal. Thankfully, there are only a few of you. He did not have a fantastic match, but he is probably the only one that can say he didn't have a poor game. The same posters declaring their lunacy as they defend Bruno and Rashford for "looking to try". As if looking to try but failing is anything to be proud of.

He did well as a midfielder when you take into consideration he has just returned from an injury, has not played much with the team at all, and plays with a bunch of individualistic players who don't want to play together with the team. Mount isn't the answer to our problems, no, but comments like "Nothing player" just shows you're clueless when it comes to judging player's qualities. Clearly he brings something, but partnering him with Bruno in midfield is a ridiculous decision.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

I thought he looked decent at least. Wasn't a trash performance by any means. Some good touches and that volley pass out to Rashford i think early was pretty sweet

 

[mancan92]

He genuinely made no impact literally the same performance you can expect from van der beek that is not equal to a good performance. He's an attacking player ffs

 

[zaafi]

He genuinely made no impact literally the same performance you can expect from van der beek that is not equal to a good performance. He's an attacking player ffs

But he played as a midfielder. Are you going to be mad at Casemiro for not contributing offensively?

 

[mancan92]

But he played as a midfielder. Are you going to be mad at Casemiro for not contributing offensively?

No because Casemiro is a dm not a attacking midfielder. Also casemiro actually affected the attack more than mount anyway and is our top scorer.

 

[Cassidy]

But he played as a midfielder. Are you going to be mad at Casemiro for not contributing offensively?

Considering he contributes more offensively than Mount you might want to pick a better example

 

[zaafi]

No because Casemiro is a dm not a attacking midfielder. Also casemiro actually affected the attack more than mount anyway and is our top scorer.

But he didn't play as an attacking midfielder, which is the point. If you put Højlund as a centre back, you can't be mad at him for not scoring goals when his primary role is to defend, even if he is a striker. Mount made most shot-creating actions out of all our players against Palace, so he contributed a fair amount offensively. He also had much better defensive stats than Casemiro, which again, was one of his main tasks.

Considering he contributes more offensively than Mount you might want to pick a better example

Maybe you should learn to follow the conversation. We are talking about the performance yesterday, and Mount offered more offensively than Casemiro.

 

[mancan92]

But he didn't play as an attacking midfielder, which is the point. If you put Højlund as a centre back, you can't be mad at him for not scoring goals when his primary role is to defend, even if he is a striker. Mount made most shot-creating actions out of all our players against Palace, so he contributed a fair amount offensively. He also had much better defensive stats than Casemiro, which again, was one of his main tasks.



Maybe you should learn to follow the conversation. We are talking about the performance yesterday, and Mount offered more offensively than Casemiro.

Come on this is a pretty pedantic conversation. Mount is an attacking player has always been yet you compare him to casemiro who firstly is a defensive player yet contributes more in an attacking sense anyway and actually has presence on pitch.

 

[zaafi]

Come on this is a pretty pedantic conversation. Mount is an attacking player has always been yet you compare him to casemiro who firstly is a defensive player yet contributes more in an attacking sense anyway and actually has presence on pitch.

Mount played as a midfielder. His responsibilities are not the same as it is when he plays as an attacking midfielder. Presence on the pitch? Sorry, I know you mean well but his first four or five games, you could literally walk through him. He offered no protection whatsoever, and was a big reason we conceded as many goals as we did. He didn't track runners, which makes it incredibly easy for teams to score cutback goals against us. He has scored the most goals this season for us, though, I'll give him that, even more than our "sensational goal scorer" Rashford.

 

[Leethal]

Predictably, you've got the likes of @Leethal, @Giggsyking and @redIndianDevil pre-writing their posts and jerking each other off in celebration as he didn't score or assist a goal. Thankfully, there are only a few of you. He did not have a fantastic match, but he is probably the only one that can say he didn't have a poor game. The same posters declaring their lunacy as they defend Bruno and Rashford for "looking to try". As if looking to try but failing is anything to be proud of.

He did well as a midfielder when you take into consideration he has just returned from an injury, has not played much with the team at all, and plays with a bunch of individualistic players who don't want to play together with the team. Mount isn't the answer to our problems, no, but comments like "Nothing player" just shows you're clueless when it comes to judging player's qualities. Clearly he brings something, but partnering him with Bruno in midfield is a ridiculous decision.

Mate, predictably, you’re here defending. As you are as soon as someone criticises Mount. As much as others criticise, you defend. Are you honestly that delusional and oblivious to that?

Pot calling kettle black here. Difference is, you’re getting angry and abusive. I am not.

 

[izec]

Considering he contributes more offensively than Mount you might want to pick a better example

Do you expect him to contribute more than Victor fecking Lindelöf? Think this one should do the trick

 

[zaafi]

Mate, predictably, you’re here defending. As you are as soon as someone criticises Mount. As much as others criticise, you defend. Are you honestly that delusional and oblivious to that?

Pot calling kettle black here. Difference is, you’re getting angry and abusive. I am not.

It would be fair to criticise him if he had a poor game. He didn't. Yet, you are here criticising him

Just admit that you're hopeful he plays a shit game every time, and unless he scores a hattrick and gets a few assists, he had a "nothing performance". Or in your words, "he didn't have a very poor game, but not a good one, because he didn't really do anything".

But if you opened your eyes, you'd see he did a fair bit.

 

[Abraxas]

Maddison would have to play in Bruno's role and hes not going to be dropped is he? Even if he stinks up the place.

You say that but prior to coming to United I think the overall view of Mount would be that he should probably be playing in Bruno's position. Or at least that's his most comfortable position, somewhere in the forward areas. What's the real difference, we're trying to put square pegs into round holes.

We may as well have done it with Maddison. More skillful player with more cutting edge than Mount. I think the only thing better about Mount is running around but that's not really cutting it when we can't create anything, it'd be better to have quality creation.

 

[ShoePolish]

I'd assume this experiment with having him as double pivot with Case will end once everyone is fit.
Where he fits in after is anyone's guess. I'd guess a cover for Bruno, but for 60 mil?

 

[zaafi]

I'd assume this experiment with having him as double pivot with Case will end once everyone is fit.
Where he fits in after is anyone's guess. I'd guess a cover for Bruno, but for 60 mil?

We have no particularly great right wingers, so put either Mount or Bruno there imo.

 

[Abraxas]

But he played as a midfielder. Are you going to be mad at Casemiro for not contributing offensively?

Bit of a nonsense argument looking at the structure of our team in reality.

We had Amrabat coming into midfield in the build up when we were in possession and also Casemiro offering plenty of defensive cover. Ample opportunity for Mount to influence the game in the final third without overly worrying about many of the typical midfield duties. We were also playing a team camped in their own half most of the game so a player should be cognisant of in game adjustments.

Call a spade a spade, what we needed yesterday was impacting the game creatively or making an impact in the opposition box and he wasn't that effective. Not outright bad as an overall performance but fairly mundane. Which for me is par Mount over the last year or so.

 

[nainaisson]

Running around and making quick short passes. It is like watching Lingard.

Mount will never be in the same league as Lingard until he spends hours per day developing his cringe dance moves.

 

[Cassidy]

Do you expect him to contribute more than Victor fecking Lindelöf? Think this one should do the trick

Who Casemiro? You saying he doesn’t?

 

[zaafi]

Bit of a nonsense argument looking at the structure of our team in reality.

We had Amrabat coming into midfield in the build up when we were in possession and also Casemiro offering plenty of defensive cover. Ample opportunity for Mount to influence the game in the final third without overly worrying about many of the typical midfield duties. We were also playing a team camped in their own half most of the game so a player should be cognisant of in game adjustments.

Call a spade a spade, what we needed yesterday was impacting the game creatively or making an impact in the opposition box and he wasn't that effective. Not outright bad as an overall performance but fairly mundane. Which for me is par Mount over the last year or so.

He could have influenced the game more, yes, but he also had the most shot-creating actions in the game. He won tackles (7/7 in total) in the final third and there were two chances created because of that (not created by him, but he made sure they could be created in the first place). He had some nice, quick intricate passing that opened up space for his team mates to take advantage of, unfortunately they didn't. He could do more, but he wasn't close to as bad as people make him out to be. Keep in mind, he recently returned from injury and hasn't played much with his team mates. Interesting how every transfer gets time on here to settle, but not Mount.

He is not going to occupy Bruno's space, so you're not going to see him create from outside the opposition box much. They can't play together as two out of three midfielders.

 

[Fabio Rochemback]

My thoughts on him are the same as when we first linked with him. Decent enough player but not exceptional and not of the profile that we need.

 

[OrcaFat]

Competition is good; when your first XI is of an acceptable standard. Spending 55m on a player to compete with others is a waste, and money we do not have. We need to address the first XI. Mount is not doing that.

But he is. He’s one of the best at doing the job he’s there to do. Hannibal may push him as the season goes on because he is more talented and more creative but he has to prove he can do the off-the-ball stuff as well (which I think he will).

Where the so-called first XI needs addressing is RB and across the front three because those are the areas where there is least quality and least proper competition for places.

 

[Ubik]

I'd thought he played fairly well compared to others but wanted to watch it back to see if I was just imagining things. Still think he played fairly well.



Still needs to get better obviously, but in terms of the game he was one of the better ones.

 

[Giggsyking]

But he played as a midfielder. Are you going to be mad at Casemiro for not contributing offensively?

He is dmf and our top scorer

 

[Oldyella]

I'd assume this experiment with having him as double pivot with Case will end once everyone is fit.
Where he fits in after is anyone's guess. I'd guess a cover for Bruno, but for 60 mil?

Bruno wide right. One thing Bruno will always have in his locker is a decent finish. Work our play to generating space for opportunitiesfor him, similar to what we do with Rashford now. Drop Rash for Garnacho until he wakes up. Think we would be far more balanced.

 

[zaafi]

He is dmf and our top scorer

We were talking about the performance yesterday, not overall. Him being the top scorer should raise questions towards our attackers, not Mount who has played three and a half matches.

 

[Frank Grimes]

One of our better players, should have done better with that header though in 2nd half.

 

[redIndianDevil]

Predictably, you've got the likes of @Leethal, @Giggsyking and @redIndianDevil pre-writing their posts and jerking each other off in celebration as he didn't score or assist a goal. Thankfully, there are only a few of you. He did not have a fantastic match, but he is probably the only one that can say he didn't have a poor game. The same posters declaring their lunacy as they defend Bruno and Rashford for "looking to try". As if looking to try but failing is anything to be proud of.

He did well as a midfielder when you take into consideration he has just returned from an injury, has not played much with the team at all, and plays with a bunch of individualistic players who don't want to play together with the team. Mount isn't the answer to our problems, no, but comments like "Nothing player" just shows you're clueless when it comes to judging player's qualities. Clearly he brings something, but partnering him with Bruno in midfield is a ridiculous decision.

According to you no one should question Mount - he will just make easy passes and everyone else has to create or score, if they don’t it’s not Mount’s fault. He has only played 3 and a half games, he is back from an injury, he played as a midfielder instead of attacking midfielder, he is new to the team, his teammates are selfish and don’t make the same easy passes he does. I have to google this “shot creating action” nonsense stat. What else ?

 

[Doracle]

One of our better players, should have done better with that header though in 2nd half.

I’m confused. I’ve just watched his touch video from the match above. He was ok but didn’t do anything that might have disturbed the low block Palace had set up, which is what we needed from our midfield. Safety first is not good enough. What did he do which could have made the difference?