Of course it was offensive. However, charges dropped and investigations subsequently finding him innocent does leave a significant portion of missing information.
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Of course it was offensive. However, charges dropped and investigations subsequently finding him innocent does leave a significant portion of missing information.
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Surely not? Are we actual kicking the can down the road but dressing it up as him being moved on?
Surely not? Are we actual kicking the can down the road but dressing it up as him being moved on?
Thought it seemed that way earlier.
Thats fair enough - Im on the otherside of the fence. Me and many others would cheer him in a UTD shirt. Anyway decision made all the ranting and raving in the world wont change it. Good luck to him.
Mason Greenwood was one of the best academy products in years. A two footed elite finisher. It’s a shame it ended this way but he’ll thrive elsewhere.
Garnacho is a great talent but a few notches below Greenwood at the same age.
No.
@pocco read Mason’s own statement. It’s clearer than Arnold’s, and makes very clear that he’s moving on to pastures new.
Kobe straight up admitted it. Even after the smear campaign against the witness he put out a statement where he also admitted to it.
Again, I did say times have changed. There’s probably enough examples in football (soccer) that it’s unfair of me to say that America is more accepting. Im convinced that a lot of the examples used in the post I was replying to, wouldn’t be as accepted now.
Right decision, but the whole process has been absolutely shambolic from the club. I think they were ready to take him back before realising the potential implications (both financial and reputational) from this. Epitomises everything wrong with this club.
What a waste of world class talent.
What a waste of world class talent.
The person I was replying to when you quoted me was asking whether it would have been better to announce the Greenwood outcome in June rather than August, so I’m not quite sure how we’ve come to this point in the conversation! I was saying that the timing wouldn’t have made a huge difference.
Re your point- obviously there is a chance of a honeytrap scenario in any lucrative line of work, but I hardly think it is a ‘slippery slope’. I can’t think of there ever being an occurrence of that in any sport, ever, but obviously it’s technically possible. Courts in general serve an honourable and difficult purpose but I think people should be allowed to come to an opinion and state their views about issues outside of that framework.
What?
Assumptions? All those things happened. Have you been paying attention?
And how, exactly, do you think the club would have worded any statement if there was "even slight suspicion"? They've clearly kept it as neutral as possible as it is as not to incriminate anyone, but what they have done is make it seem likely she is to blame. Hence why both that statement and Greenwood himself both say he has done somethings wrong.
On the recommendation of Carlos Queiroz
I think that’s your issue dude. Carl seems a decent conscientious guy, and is better placed to talk about discrimination than most.
If that’s how he needed to deal with this news then so be it.
Great player but good riddance.
Your world or another?
Because I'd rather a world where people shine a light on DV over one where only being able to rant and rave about football with your mate matters.
What on earth has Rachel done?
I think the biggest similarity is that the events were caught on media.
Yes, they got married. But in terms of where they were in their careers, this is not correct. MG, when the incident happened, was around 20 and still has his brightest playing days ahead of him ( theoretically). Ray Rice, at the time of incident, was 27/28; this is pretty much the end of career for NFL running backs. It must also be noted that before this incident Ray Rice was considered a good guy ( and I checked Wiki to confirm this) and Wikipedia says that he was given the award of most charitable in Baltimore in 2012 ( fully 2 yrs before the incident). In light of this ( and the fact that he had a good relationship with higher ups at the Ravens), it makes sense that he is still welcome at the Ravens. At the end, if Mason goes on to become a generally good guy and legitimately a plus to the community ( like Ray Rice has), there is no reason to shun him 20/30 yrs from now. It seems, nowadays, people want you to walk around with a scarlet letter because of something you once did.
I don’t know whether his lawyers could have argued that dropping him from the squad and excluding him from training etc would be tantamount to an implication of guilt on his part. Perhaps it needs to be more explicit and definitive than that.
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It's only the English public that thinks this is the right decision... Faux morality from a deeply racist and immoral society.
My question to us is this: of he doesn't deserve a second chance at United, where does he get it? Or are you lot saying his football career should be over, even when you know what you know now about his family situation?
What is it about Manchester United and England thag brings this messed up sense of entitlement?
My question to us is this: of he doesn't deserve a second chance at United, where does he get it? Or are you lot saying his football career should be over, even when you know what you know now about his family situation?
What is it about Manchester United and England thag brings this messed up sense of entitlement?
She fecked over Jeremy Corbyn.
Whichever way we look at it, it is a sad end for him. Best two footed finisher to come out of academy in years. Hope he truly recognizes what he has done and work on making himself better. We move on.
That’s no better than idiot!
Nice try, but this is exactly why the newbies are a thing and I still don't think should be allowed any posts up here without at least a few likes.
Are we still using the term “briefing” despite a fecking statement being released.
He is NOT playing for the club. Ever again.
Whatever. Club keep making stupid personnel decisions.
Well if Manchester United state that they have evidence that proves he didnt rape, assault or participate in coercive behaviour, what other explanation could there be? As a father of a daughter I always found the girl's Dad's statement in the immediate aftermath incredibly strange and out of place... now United say her parents have helped with proving what they know... in all honestly I dont think its far fetched at all.
I don't disagree, I was just addressing the point about local vs national media exposure. The coverage is definitely there - the league and/or fans just happen to be more willing to forgive and forget as long as the player can still contribute on the field.
How so?
Playing for Newcastle.
That's who should have been getting the love and sympathy from the beginning. But her needs are tossed aside by even her dirtbag father who would rather see her live through an openly toxic relationship for WAG status.
That's your Manchester problem right there. Absolutely shameful.
Fans were up in arms about a racist Arnautovich being signed too and thank goodness the club took note. If there's anyone that has to check themselves it's ETH and the seemingly blind eye to tarnishing the clubs reputation. Used to be a big deal for United to make sure the characters coming into the dressing room were right for the club.
you and the rest lamenting this decision: I wonder if you’d be so righteous if it were Dan Gore rather than Mason Greenwood. I think we all know the answer
Like I said I think he's a pompous idiot. Not really a big deal.
Having an American dad and an English mum, living in the States and visiting back home frequently, I've been exposed to both cultures and I'm beyond blessed because of that.
Reading through this thread is wild. There's such a huge difference how American media and athletes are treated after doing something controversial and how the English media and athletes react and are treated.
I don't live in a massive sports market (just outside of Pittsburgh, PA) so I don't really get exposed to local NY media or local LA media or local Chicago media or local southern media like Atlanta or the insanity that comes out of Florida but, the differences in culture from each country is so, so different pertaining to things like this. Not that anyone asked or anything.
I think the closest parallel here is Ray Rice. So many domestic abusers have carried on playing in the NFL and are lauded (best example: Tyreek Hill). Ray Rice had his actions caught on video and once that was out there, he was done.
If I were to speculate I'd say had the stuff not been put out on Social Media I think Greenwood would have been back at Utd after the charges were dropped.
Was too slow at top level, I’m no fan of Mason and think the club have made the right decision but to say the lad was too slow is beyond ridiculous, he was clocked as United fastest player 3 years ago and was a UK Junior sprint Champion, too slow in the head maybe but he was far from too slow on the pitch, I do agree that he will not come back the same player he was though !
Why?
United are not convicting anyone, they are simply deciding they don’t want Greenwood to play for the club anymore. It’s not that controversial a decision and it’s the correct one.
Feel free to support another team if this has outraged you enough, no one is stopping you.
She overtly supports a terrorist state that inflicts human rights abuses on Palestine.
She's also a right winger who claims that anyone that supports public sector spending is anti semitic (Eg. Corbyn).
She's publicly bullied a 16 year old on social media, and attempted to sue anybody who called her out on it. She also follows a policy of attempting to sue anyone who criticises her on social media - provided they don't have enough money to defend themselves.
A nasty, vile piece of work. And she's not even a good mathematician.
I won't be shedding any tears over that.
Jesus wept
Also not what I said
you said the club should of said “we can’t find evidence either way”
I’m saying how people would take that statement
They’ve really not kept it neutral at all…!
They could’ve simply stated, ‘After a thorough investigative procedure we’ve concluded that the best way forward is for Mason to move on’.
Or, ‘Following our internal investigation, the club will be releasing Mason’.
They’ve gone out of their way to specifically state that they don’t believe he’s guilty of the initial charges! In doing so, they’ve rendered themselves weaker in regards to his contract / legal standing.
They’ve been extremely un-neutral! Weirdly so.
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