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FattyFooty said:
Am i the only one that is not that impressed by him? Based just on football.

He started good, but in the end i felt he kinda lost hes shot. I felt so many attacks stopped on him looking for that shot. I also remeber players around him beeing frustrated.

I started to belive in him. But in the end a kinda frustrating player for me.
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He was becoming one of the greediest players I've ever seen, he was only interested in shooting.

But this is something that is easily resolved with a manager telling him to stop being so selfish or he won't play. Managers tend to indulge players in their absolute worst habits though.
 
we would be a bit mental to sell him ......put him out on loan for a year and then bring him back for preseason next year and see how he does
 
Football talk only...a loan to a Spanish or Italian club is sensible. The issues are the issues, but from a footballing perspective at his youthful peak he was extraordinary.
 
He should go on loan. He is at distance when the abuse is at its worst, and he can return later without becoming front page news.
 
Dominos said:
He was becoming one of the greediest players I've ever seen, he was only interested in shooting.

But this is something that is easily resolved with a manager telling him to stop being so selfish or he won't play. Managers tend to indulge players in their absolute worst habits though.
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I think he is not the only one guilty of that. The tactic was always seems to be, get on the stronger foot, be it the right with Rashford, or left with Greenwood and shoot on sight. It was really frustrating, but with EtH as coach/manager, we see less of that and bit more control and teamwork. Rashford improved tremendously, as well as AwB. So, I am curious to see what EtH can do with Greenwood personally.
 
I know a fella who works at united at youth ranks and I mean like u9s. Everyone at the club was asked about the greenwood situation as ETH wanted him here this season. 1st team, reserves everyone was happy for this apart from the women's team and a few female members of staff. Just shows he'll probably be in future plans
 
No football for 17 months or so is a long, long time. That's not necessarily just the match-fitness aspect, but all of that development time, the social side of bonding with your teammates and developing an understanding. At the same time, getting to know the manager and understanding his expectations, working under him, receiving guidance and improving in his field. It's not just a simple case of hitting the play button and carrying on from where he was when he had to pause playing.

There has to be some realism that the promising player we saw beforehand may not actually reappear, if he does ever wear a United shirt again. This is all just talking about the physical side of the game, let alone even beginning to touch on the mental aspect, or even going anywhere near how his teammates or coaching staff would feel about this.
 
BerryBerryShrew said:
The rational thing to do is to weigh up the potential financial downsides of playing him (potential loss of sponsors or merchandise purchasing supporters) against the potential financial upsides of keeping him (a talent that could cost €100m on the open market to replace). Right now, the club has no idea what Greenwood is worth on the pitch. He has had an 18 month layoff and maybe he is a shadow of the promising player he once was. So the rational thing to do is to pack him off to Italy/Spain and see if he kills it there. If he does, then we either flog him for far far more than we'd get now, or we reintegrate him for the 24/25 season. If he looks mediocre, then we quietly release him and never have to deal with the potential negative repercussions of playing him.

Young talent is precarious. Dele Alli had it until one day he didn't. We can't be sure if Greeny is still worth persevering with - even in strictly footballing terms.

The moneymen are not going to want to take the chance that the club gets boycotted or dragged through the mud for the sake of a guy who is no longer ace.
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Negligible. See Partey, or Ronaldo, or other examples.

Do you really think there's a huge chance the club gets boycotted over this? There will be grumbles on social media, opposition fans will give him stick for a few weeks, and then everyone gets bored and moves on
 
Superunknown said:
No football for 17 months or so is a long, long time. That's not necessarily just the match-fitness aspect, but all of that development time, the social side of bonding with your teammates and developing an understanding. At the same time, getting to know the manager and understanding his expectations, working under him, receiving guidance and improving in his field. It's not just a simple case of hitting the play button and carrying on from where he was when he had to pause playing.

There has to be some realism that the promising player we saw beforehand may not actually reappear, if he does ever wear a United shirt again. This is all just talking about the physical side of the game, let alone even beginning to touch on the mental aspect, or even going anywhere near how his teammates or coaching staff would feel about this.
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Its hard to say whether he would resume his previous form. Assuming a scenario where he remains, it would probably take a few months of consistent training for ETH to feel comfortable giving him game time.
 
Gandalf said:
I am going to assume you missed the post from the mods yesterday where they stated the owner of this board has received Cease and Desist letters and understandably has no desire for any more. Niall owns the board and the consequences of "freedom of speech" actaully land on him so it actually makes a ton of sense why they are taking the stance that they are.
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I missed this.

Niall doesn't have to justify anything to me, he's the owner of a private forum and his word is law. Just seemed odd that other parts of the internet had no issues with this topic .
 
Loan.

All the talk of Atalanta seems to be media driven due to the links to Hojlund.

I think the club could do worse than send him to Sunderland for the season. Gets the inevitable issues he'll face from away fans out of the way; but goes to a manager that has a track record of working well with our loanees, especially around some of the mental aspects of the game.

From a footballing perspective I do think the club will be looking to reintegrate him eventually.
 
bosnian_red said:
Interesting to see how much 1.5 years off has impacted him. Turning 22 in a few months. I'm sure he lost a ton of muscle mass (you can train, but it's different from training with a professional football club). He used to have world class potential, what is he at now? Still young but I'd be shocked if there wasn't a huge impact from his time off.
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Is a 20kg plate there different from a 20kg plate say at his home?

But nah seriously Atlanta for a season sounds like a good idea. Hopefully get plenty of minutes under his belt get back to where he was before returning to us next season fully restored and ready to go.
 
DevilRed said:
Other than the obvious issues with squad harmony, supporter perception etc.

Having him back could save us 50m-100m depending on which rumours you believe in.

Between him, Rashford and Martial, we might have enough goals to keep us in the top four even without purchasing anybody else.
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He’s not played for donkeys and Martial is a complete joke so it would essentially be down to Rashford, which would be a laugh for sure. We’re desperate for a striker with or without him.
 
Having a fit and running Mason Greenwood in our roster, will transform our attack. An absolute top tier talent if we can get him back to previous career path and I think it can be done.
 
If the united review comes back that they are comfortable keeping him then I'm happy to keep him. 6 month loan to a team where he can play consistently to build back up his fitness would be ideal and then look to recall in winter if he's looking like his old self. If not then make a decision next summer whether to sell. Ideally we'd make a decision soon so he can get a pre season in.
 
Needs to come back asap. Great talent who the club could really do with right now.
 
I would Love to see him coached by ETH. Such a shame if that doesn’t get to happen.

I understand those saying send him out on loan etc, but I really do think that a lot of people are overlooking the factor of having him coached by ETH - a coach who has very specific methods and ability to get the most out of talented players.

Sending him on loan means he then has to play catch up with ETH’s coaching when he returns.

I personally think he should be brought back into the first team and used as an impact sub to begin with.

Rip the band aid off. He’s too good to just flog for nothing, and it’s insane (though typically Utd) to not use a brilliant player who it’s totally legally fine to play.

He is the best striker currently at Utd.
 
Blackbeard said:
Needs to come back asap. Great talent who the club could really do with right now.
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It's not that simple. He needs a loan to get back in shape and to let the controversy surrounding him die down a bit.
 
Play him.

Will be a media circus but it will blow over.
 
adexkola said:
Also bears noting that this conversation has been had on other football forums and reddit and Twitter without the world collapsing, and it makes no sense why the mods are treating this like a hot potato. But anyways, football talk only.
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Just to address this, the mod team are taking their direction from the board owner. Since he’s the one that receives the legal letters, it’s his choice (rightfully) how it’s handled. Besides we’ve already tried that approach once and it had to be closed down again. Unfortunately there is a portion of our posters who are unable to discuss things maturely.
 
Strelok said:
He's a +100m talent mate. If he shines in his loan I bet we'd sell him for at least 50m. And I also bet he'd score shitload there as well.

There was talks about our marketing department was against him returning in the process we reportedly undergo to decide if we'd bring him back so there must be something negative there I think.

Anyway yeah you got a point here. I don't even know what is the current state of our reputation now anymore.
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Marketing department will have little to no say in the matter. Not a chance the club would throw away a potantial £100m+ player for this unless they absolutely had to. I'd wager that they didn't even want to suspend him, but had to.
 
JuriM said:
Remember - Football talk only.

Talk related to the non-football related events surrounding the player remains prohibited until the club makes a decision on his future.

Violators of the football only guidelines are subject to immediate thread bans or more.

If you see anything out of order, please report it and the mods will take a look.


Whoever wrote that should know it's absolute Bullshit. You can't ignore the elephant int the room - you can't speak about anyone's future in football before he comes out to the media himself and clarifies everything that's been going on around him.
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Then go talk elsewhere about it
 
Hope we just get rid, be it loan and sell or just release or whatever.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Reports say different, ETH wants him, Squad wants him, however he and the club are fearful of the media hoorah should he return.
Plans either get him on loan for a season to get plenty of first team minutes and get people speaking about his footballing ability or bring him back once a takeover is announced, as somewhat of a smoke screen so the media scrutiny isn’t as bad.

I for one can’t wait to see him kicking a ball again and personally feel like a loan move to Atlanta would be a great move for him and the club.
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Yeh lip service to get a fee. The club don’t want him and if they did he would be with the squad training. It’s got nothing to do with fictitious smoke screens (smoke screens :confused::wenger:).
 
Whether there's a circus or not, its all his own doing. Absolute zero sympathy that comes his way when he's reintegrated back into the game, which he's fortunate to still be a part of.

Also, I don't know why people seem to think other top clubs would be more than content to have him on their books .
Why would Bayern, Barca, Madrid etc also want that cloud hanging over their club.

Honestly, would not be surprised to see him play his football outside of Europe.
 
FattyFooty said:
Am i the only one that is not that impressed by him? Based just on football.

He started good, but in the end i felt he kinda lost hes shot. I felt so many attacks stopped on him looking for that shot. I also remeber players around him beeing frustrated.

I started to belive in him. But in the end a kinda frustrating player for me.
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He did kind of go down the Rashford rabbit hole for a bit. Just spamming cut inside and shoot. However I do think he did develop other parts of his game. I think early on he was a goal threat but large periods of the game would just pass him by and he just wasn’t able to get involved.
That aspect for me certainly improved but yeah he did start to get a bit predictable and greedy. I do feel part of that is to how poor we were at creating decent chances as a team so many seemed to think they just had to carve their own chances.
 
If we sell him he'll probably go to somewhere like Newcastle and tear it up for them. I doubt Toon fans will complain about him being a scumbag off the pitch. United fans need to stop with this holier-than-thou attitude and accept that modern football is ruthless, we can't afford to just chuck away a top tier talent like Greenwood.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
He is the best striker currently at Utd.
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I think he is a very special talent but he's always looked a bit out of his depth when played as the main striker for us apart from one game against Wolves if I remember correctly.

For those feeling he'd fix our striker issues I wouldn't be so sure. He definitely has the ability but it's not a sure fire thing.
 
fezzerUTD said:
We will see. He’s in Dubai with other not wanted players.


That’s why he’s going on loan at Atalanta right? Because all the top clubs want him.
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He’s not for sale though is he?

Put him up for sale and believe me, he’ll have a lot better offers than Atalanta.

He’s not an unwanted player. On the contrary, he’s a desperately needed player.
 
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